Intel reports

[Grollub]

Hmmm ... shutting out dissenting voices ("green buttoning") because they are not open minded enough seems just a little contradictory ... makes you wonder who's really open minded ...[8|]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Grollub

Hmmm ... shutting out dissenting voices ("green buttoning") because they are not open minded enough seems just a little contradictory ... makes you wonder who's really open minded ...[8|]

i am not certain to whom you are referring here,

However, since you have made the comment just after the person i greenbuttoned: i shut out this particular person in this discussion as he insulted me, continually attributing bad motives to anything i said, as well as continually misquoting me, etc.

This is the only person i've felt compelled to deal with in this manner in ~2 years.

[Grollub]

I'm referring to War History, after he green buttoned both Mike Scholl and Smeulders.

[AirGriff]

I think the intel feature is fine as it is. It's no doubt less than what either side had, but like someone earlier said, if it was as accurate as history no one would play the Japanese, even with the very rare gem the IJ picked up from their woefully poor intel resources relative to the Allies (which I think everyone here has admitted). No, if I was an IJ player, I should be very happy to leave the intel as it is, because if it was improved for the IJ, then Allied players would necessarily and very rightly demand their's be proportionaly bettered. Intel is sufficiently watered down so that the Allies don't get a historical level of very vivid data on IJ operations. Makes for a better game.

[War History]

ORIGINAL: Grollub

I'm referring to War History, after he green buttoned both Mike Scholl and Smeulders.

Well as I said nothing they said really has anything to do with the discussion at hand. Both admitted that the Japanese got the information they had through sig int yet both say that the Japanese player shouldn't get sig int data. When they say one thing and yet fight tooth and nail against what it is they just said, there is no longer any point in paying any heed at all to what it is they have to say. I'm not saying no one else should or should not listen to them, but at this point I see what they are doing as trying to bait me, and I'm not biting. I choose to ignore them. That is my choice. Thank God for American freedom of choice (of which I gave 11 years of my life to defend). I elect to use that freedom.

And actually its 3. rtrapasso made the list after I proved him to be a hypocrite as well. I seriously don't understand people that admit the Japanese broke codes, had fairly good sig int and yet say that the player shouldn't be afforded the same chance to use it. Mike claims that the Japanese player shouldn't get it because real war (according to him) the Japanese didn't use the information effectively. This opinion certainly has merit as arguments can be made both ways on this point (didn't do anything vs couldn't do anything), however the point of the game is to give the players the tools and let THEM make the mistakes, no? And since real war Japanese did indeed have the capability...

[mike scholl 1]

ORIGINAL: War History

Well, like I said to Mike before I hit the green button on him, when someone is going to approach something like this with a totally closed mind, all you can do is hit the button and move on [;)]

Why not say in public what you said in "private"?

War History just sent you a private message at 10/31/2010 11:28:43 AM:

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really
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Jesus ****ing christ, how stupid are you really?

The allied troops called her "Tokyo Rose". The references to "Tokyo Rose" I cite
are allied troops reporting what they heard radio Tokyo report. If Radio Tokyo
knew then clearly they got their info from Japanese intel. Also, just as clear,
not everything Jap intel knew went to radio Tokyo. Now, seriously, unless you
are willing to stop your everything in the game has to be pro-allied bullshit,
Im seriously tired of hearing it. Back up what you say, I do. I dont spout
meaningless dribble on and on and on and on like you do. Dont think the Japs
should have any intel in the game? Fine, then cite sources that say that the
Japanese had no idea ever what the allies were doing. Or shut the **** up.


----------- End of Private Message (PM) -------------

As I said previously, "Show me the Carfax!". All of the examples you cite seem to come from "Orphan Ann" propaganda broadcasts, not any actual military actions demonstrating code breaking. I don't say anything I'm ashamed of, so I don't have to hide my identity.....

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: Grollub

Hmmm ... shutting out dissenting voices ("green buttoning") because they are not open minded enough seems just a little contradictory ... makes you wonder who's really open minded ...[8|]

At the moment about half the forum has told him that the SigInt in game is fair in proportion to real life, or even biased in the favour of the Japanese. Despite that our open-minded individual keeps insisting on making the Japanese SigInt beter while leaving the Allied unchanged. On top of that he has green-buttoned every one who spent more than 3 posts arguing him. I think the answer to your question is obvious.

[SuluSea]

ORIGINAL: War History

Well as I said nothing they said really has anything to do with the discussion at hand. Both admitted that the Japanese got the information they had through sig int yet both say that the Japanese player shouldn't get sig int data. When they say one thing and yet fight tooth and nail against what it is they just said, there is no longer any point in paying any heed at all to what it is they have to say. I'm not saying no one else should or should not listen to them, but at this point I see what they are doing as trying to bait me, and I'm not biting. I choose to ignore them. That is my choice. Thank God for American freedom of choice (of which I gave 11 years of my life to defend). I elect to use that freedom.

And actually its 3. rtrapasso made the list after I proved him to be a hypocrite as well. I seriously don't understand people that admit the Japanese broke codes, had fairly good sig int and yet say that the player shouldn't be afforded the same chance to use it. Mike claims that the Japanese player shouldn't get it because real war (according to him) the Japanese didn't use the information effectively. This opinion certainly has merit as arguments can be made both ways on this point (didn't do anything vs couldn't do anything), however the point of the game is to give the players the tools and let THEM make the mistakes, no? And since real war Japanese did indeed have the capability...

Your accusation of people admitting the "Japanese broke codes" is a total misrepensatation of what people are conveying and trolling in its finest form.
Deal me in please, my green button list has a total population of zero but it would be great if we can both reciprocate the option.

[jwilkerson]

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