I notice there is not armor. That seems strange. One would have thought that self-sealing fuel tanks would be standard on all liberators, in fact all planes by this point.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
I have some of those cargo planes in my AI game they arrive early with no replacements till 8.43.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
ORIGINAL: cookie monster
I have some of those cargo planes in my AI game they arrive early with no replacements till 8.43.
Ah, so they come in with a squadron, not from the build/reinforcement queue. That explains it. Need to be careful with them then, since their are no spares for a while!
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
I used them flying the hump to China I've lost all but one to ops.
RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
Seen same thing in my games ... on both sides. I can do it (use transports with relative impunity) and so can my opponent. Don't know if this is WAD or not. You would think they would be such sitting ducks ....ORIGINAL: PzB
Despite me having 60-70 fighters on LRCAP over Palmyra huge numbers of Catalinas and Coronados continue to pick up
troops from Palmyra; recon says numbers are down to a little over 4500 now.
- The annoying this is that we can't prevent this from happening despite having complete air superiority.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown
I notice there is not armor. That seems strange. One would have thought that self-sealing fuel tanks would be standard on all liberators, in fact all planes by this point.
there are some British Liberators with a huge range of 29, carrying radar and 8 250lb bombs with an armor value of 0. These drop out of the sky like flies if they meet enemy fighters, I´ve lost 6 or 7 out of 10 against the same number of Tojos. Have never used them ever since. This showed me how important armor of at least 1 is. The bombers got a durability somewhere above 60 but this doesn´t seem to help.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown
I notice there is not armor. That seems strange. One would have thought that self-sealing fuel tanks would be standard on all liberators, in fact all planes by this point.
there are some British Liberators with a huge range of 29, carrying radar and 8 250lb bombs with an armor value of 0. These drop out of the sky like flies if they meet enemy fighters, I´ve lost 6 or 7 out of 10 against the same number of Tojos. Have never used them ever since. This showed me how important armor of at least 1 is. The bombers got a durability somewhere above 60 but this doesn´t seem to help.
Talking about RAF Liberator GR.III's? They were naval patrol bombers and not supposed to duel it out with Japanese fighters. Their purpose was to fly naval search missions and hunt subs.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown
I notice there is not armor. That seems strange. One would have thought that self-sealing fuel tanks would be standard on all liberators, in fact all planes by this point.
there are some British Liberators with a huge range of 29, carrying radar and 8 250lb bombs with an armor value of 0. These drop out of the sky like flies if they meet enemy fighters, I´ve lost 6 or 7 out of 10 against the same number of Tojos. Have never used them ever since. This showed me how important armor of at least 1 is. The bombers got a durability somewhere above 60 but this doesn´t seem to help.
Talking about RAF Liberator GR.III's? They were naval patrol bombers and not supposed to duel it out with Japanese fighters. Their purpose was to fly naval search missions and hunt subs.
yeah, these are the ones. Thought these would be patrols but I didn´t expect them to drop out of the sky like Nates when facing Thunderbolts. [:D]
RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
ORIGINAL: PzB
- Another question is whether we should really land a full sized division or try with our Amph Bde first.
...Somehow I think a quick assault against Palmyra may yield results.
Half-hearted attacks can be invitation for a disaster. But else, as long as you know where Andy's CV's are, I would also vote for a direct counter-invasion without loss of time. Similarly valuable could be a carrier raid between Pearl and CONUSA now -- maybe Lady Lex is traveling back home now (with the rate of 4 hex that his CVs made last?).
RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
About the Cats - my experience is if the enemy LRCAPs then they do very badly. Nothing like using them with impunity.
If you are LRCAP'ing then maybe the distance is great enough that there are few fighters on station at one time?
If you are LRCAP'ing then maybe the distance is great enough that there are few fighters on station at one time?
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
Really? I'm going to have to check my ranges and reports to see what I can.ORIGINAL: witpqs
About the Cats - my experience is if the enemy LRCAPs then they do very badly. Nothing like using them with impunity.
If you are LRCAP'ing then maybe the distance is great enough that there are few fighters on station at one time?
I've been able to move troop cadres off an island as my opponent is landing with CV air attacks coming in and not lose a plane. But, you know, maybe he did not have any CAP overhead. Have to ask.
EDIT: But I am still surprised I was able to do it. I would think CAP leak would have been enough ... the CV's were only one hex from the beach and I know he had CAP on his CV's as I lost about a dozen Nettie's going in. Did get 2 torp hits though.
Good enough for me. (low bar. [:D] )Thanks for sharing this ... I might well have been under a mistaken impression ....
Pax
RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
In addition to facing LRCAP's there was one occasion where the KB showed up when the Cats were at work evacuating some units. It was a sad day for the Cats.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
OK, so clearly we (my opponent and I) have both had some REALLY lucky die rolls with respect to our transports. Since he is NOT a regular visitor here, maybe I can use this NEW knowledge to my advantage ... I need it. He just put 2/3 of my KB into the yard last night. Don't think I will lose any, but I'm down a lot of CV's for a couple of months (or more) ... Bad day for the IJ at the office yesterday in my "world". [:(]
Pax
RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
LRCAP was 4 hexes away; used Oscar IIs and Zero's. Between 20 and 30 were constantly in place.
There were also a TF with a CL and destroyers circling the atoll. No way it would be possible to set down to pick up troops.
Now there's only 3000 troops left....
Don't think we need a full division to recapture Palmyra anymore. Will divide the assault division into 3 parts and send in one in ca 3 days.
Not sure it will be possible to make game fixes to this, a house rule is most likely required.
- No troop lifting if enemy is in _clear_ control of sea and air space. Dropping of paras would be an exception.
The last few turns has seen little action in the Line Islands except for air evac.
We have however built Fanning Island to size 3 and unloaded a small coastal battery unit there and increased supply storage.
The first KB unit of TBDs has been upgraded to Jills.
In Burma the story is different; Andy has moved his main air base to Madras - Calcutta was obvious not safe.
Last turn an army crossed a river into Kalemya; I had ordered the tanks there to attack in order to support the expected shock attack.
- Only the tanks attacked, obviously there is no shock attack when crossing a river through a hex side you controll yourself.
After experiencing so many (and unwanted) shock attacks when crossing river I expected it.
The initial attack with tanks didn't too to bad and caused more enemy casualties than friendly.
Air attacks were inefficient and 3 forts had been built. This turn the combined Army (3100 AV) attacked; our AV was as usual halved and unlike last
turn enemy AV was adjusted from 1000 to 1800. We still reduced forts from 3 to 2.
A full size Oz division is on the road to the north - had half way expected it to move into Kalemyo this turn and a small para unit tried to move behind the base.
Since the Oz div didn't move the small raiding unit was squashed. Odds are good but we need to replenish supplies; pretty sure we won't be able to destroy the defending force
before the Oz div arrives but this still gives us a good opportunity to destroy more enemy troops.
We still have a reserve left that can thrust into or behind enemy rear areas behind Kalemyo.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 16, 43
Air Combat
Morning Air attack on 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 59,42 (Kalemyo)
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
Also attacking 32nd Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 32nd Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 22
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment, at 59,41
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Marine Division, at 170,133 (Palmyra)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G4M1 Betty x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
G3M2 Nell x 10
No Japanese losses
Runway hits 15
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Kalemyo (59,42)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 79925 troops, 772 guns, 1497 vehicles, Assault Value = 3261
Defending force 17812 troops, 347 guns, 410 vehicles, Assault Value = 667
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese adjusted assault: 1505
Allied adjusted defense: 1831
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1262 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 77 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 161 (13 destroyed, 148 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
797 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 92 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 31 (3 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Assaulting units:
14th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
2nd Mobile Engineer Regiment
38th Division
2nd Tank Regiment
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
6th Guards Division
79th Infantry Regiment
2nd Mobile Infantry Regiment
1st Recon Battalion
1st Tank Regiment
2nd Recon Battalion
65th Brigade
22nd Recon Regiment
33rd Division
Guards Tank Division
21st Army
Defending units:
2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
BFF Brigade
14th Indian Division
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Pathan Construction Battalion
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Ground combat at 59,41
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 75 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Defending force 13872 troops, 220 guns, 353 vehicles, Assault Value = 471
Assault collapses, attacking force wiped out
Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1
Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1
Defending units:
7th Australian Division
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Line Islands & Burma
There were also a TF with a CL and destroyers circling the atoll. No way it would be possible to set down to pick up troops.
Now there's only 3000 troops left....
Don't think we need a full division to recapture Palmyra anymore. Will divide the assault division into 3 parts and send in one in ca 3 days.
Not sure it will be possible to make game fixes to this, a house rule is most likely required.
- No troop lifting if enemy is in _clear_ control of sea and air space. Dropping of paras would be an exception.
The last few turns has seen little action in the Line Islands except for air evac.
We have however built Fanning Island to size 3 and unloaded a small coastal battery unit there and increased supply storage.
The first KB unit of TBDs has been upgraded to Jills.
In Burma the story is different; Andy has moved his main air base to Madras - Calcutta was obvious not safe.
Last turn an army crossed a river into Kalemya; I had ordered the tanks there to attack in order to support the expected shock attack.
- Only the tanks attacked, obviously there is no shock attack when crossing a river through a hex side you controll yourself.
After experiencing so many (and unwanted) shock attacks when crossing river I expected it.
The initial attack with tanks didn't too to bad and caused more enemy casualties than friendly.
Air attacks were inefficient and 3 forts had been built. This turn the combined Army (3100 AV) attacked; our AV was as usual halved and unlike last
turn enemy AV was adjusted from 1000 to 1800. We still reduced forts from 3 to 2.
A full size Oz division is on the road to the north - had half way expected it to move into Kalemyo this turn and a small para unit tried to move behind the base.
Since the Oz div didn't move the small raiding unit was squashed. Odds are good but we need to replenish supplies; pretty sure we won't be able to destroy the defending force
before the Oz div arrives but this still gives us a good opportunity to destroy more enemy troops.
We still have a reserve left that can thrust into or behind enemy rear areas behind Kalemyo.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 16, 43
Air Combat
Morning Air attack on 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment, at 59,42 (Kalemyo)
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 25
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
Also attacking 32nd Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 32nd Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 22
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment, at 59,41
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on 3rd Marine Division, at 170,133 (Palmyra)
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
G4M1 Betty x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
G3M2 Nell x 10
No Japanese losses
Runway hits 15
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Kalemyo (59,42)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 79925 troops, 772 guns, 1497 vehicles, Assault Value = 3261
Defending force 17812 troops, 347 guns, 410 vehicles, Assault Value = 667
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese adjusted assault: 1505
Allied adjusted defense: 1831
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1262 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 77 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 161 (13 destroyed, 148 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
797 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 82 disabled
Non Combat: 29 destroyed, 92 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Vehicles lost 31 (3 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Assaulting units:
14th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
2nd Mobile Engineer Regiment
38th Division
2nd Tank Regiment
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
6th Guards Division
79th Infantry Regiment
2nd Mobile Infantry Regiment
1st Recon Battalion
1st Tank Regiment
2nd Recon Battalion
65th Brigade
22nd Recon Regiment
33rd Division
Guards Tank Division
21st Army
Defending units:
2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
BFF Brigade
14th Indian Division
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Pathan Construction Battalion
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Ground combat at 59,41
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 75 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Defending force 13872 troops, 220 guns, 353 vehicles, Assault Value = 471
Assault collapses, attacking force wiped out
Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units destroyed 1
Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 1st SNLF /1
Defending units:
7th Australian Division
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
According to Andy Palmyra airfields have been open all the time but for 1 or 2 turns.
- I find this next to impossible. One thing that intel with 9/10 detection has constantly shown between 65 and 100 field damage, this kind of intel seems to be notoriously unreliable.
Another thing is that the base was utterly wrecked when captured and how can the few engineers attached to the Marine Div first fix 100 port damage and then open the fields in a few turns?
Finally we've been bombing and bombarding the place really hard.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 18, 43
Minesweeping
No end to how many mines enemy subs have laid at Xmas Island; cleared mines for many days - these should be the last ones for now.
TF 153 encounters mine field at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Ships
AMc Tama Maru #3
AMc Shonan Maru #7
26 mines cleared
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TF 153 encounters mine field at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Ships
AMc Tama Maru #3
AMc Shonan Maru #7
7 mines cleared
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Air Combat
Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 47
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
12 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 9000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 30
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
36 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 9000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 26
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 126
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 108
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 13
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
28 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
37 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
34 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 32nd Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
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Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 22
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 21
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Marine Division, at 170,133 (Palmyra)
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G3M2 Nell x 10
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 1
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 21
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Kalemyo (59,42)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 78691 troops, 772 guns, 1485 vehicles, Assault Value = 3175
Defending force 30303 troops, 567 guns, 760 vehicles, Assault Value = 1054
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1
Japanese adjusted assault: 1686
Allied adjusted defense: 2689
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
2429 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 157 disabled
Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 161 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Vehicles lost 184 (19 destroyed, 165 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1542 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 102 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 11 disabled
Vehicles lost 63 (25 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Assaulting units:
2nd Recon Battalion
33rd Division
2nd Tank Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
22nd Recon Regiment
2nd Mobile Engineer Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
6th Guards Division
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
65th Brigade
1st Recon Battalion
38th Division
2nd Mobile Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
14th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
79th Infantry Regiment
Guards Tank Division
21st Army
Defending units:
7th Australian Division
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
BFF Brigade
2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment
32nd Infantry Division
14th Indian Division
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Pathan Construction Battalion
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Burma
- I find this next to impossible. One thing that intel with 9/10 detection has constantly shown between 65 and 100 field damage, this kind of intel seems to be notoriously unreliable.
Another thing is that the base was utterly wrecked when captured and how can the few engineers attached to the Marine Div first fix 100 port damage and then open the fields in a few turns?
Finally we've been bombing and bombarding the place really hard.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 18, 43
Minesweeping
No end to how many mines enemy subs have laid at Xmas Island; cleared mines for many days - these should be the last ones for now.
TF 153 encounters mine field at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Ships
AMc Tama Maru #3
AMc Shonan Maru #7
26 mines cleared
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TF 153 encounters mine field at Christmas Island (174,141)
Japanese Ships
AMc Tama Maru #3
AMc Shonan Maru #7
7 mines cleared
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Air Combat
Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 47
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
12 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 9000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 49 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 30
No Japanese losses
Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
36 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 9000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 14
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 26
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 126
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 108
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 13
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
28 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
37 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
34 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 32nd Infantry Division ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 7th Australian Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
Also attacking 2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment ...
Also attacking Kalemyo ...
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Morning Air attack on Kalemyo , at 59,42
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 22
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 21
Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 5000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 3rd Marine Division, at 170,133 (Palmyra)
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 14
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G3M2 Nell x 10
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 1
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 21
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Kalemyo (59,42)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 78691 troops, 772 guns, 1485 vehicles, Assault Value = 3175
Defending force 30303 troops, 567 guns, 760 vehicles, Assault Value = 1054
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1
Japanese adjusted assault: 1686
Allied adjusted defense: 2689
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
2429 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 157 disabled
Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 161 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 17 disabled
Vehicles lost 184 (19 destroyed, 165 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1542 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 97 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 102 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 11 disabled
Vehicles lost 63 (25 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Assaulting units:
2nd Recon Battalion
33rd Division
2nd Tank Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
22nd Recon Regiment
2nd Mobile Engineer Regiment
24th Infantry Regiment
6th Guards Division
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
65th Brigade
1st Recon Battalion
38th Division
2nd Mobile Infantry Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
14th Tank Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
79th Infantry Regiment
Guards Tank Division
21st Army
Defending units:
7th Australian Division
1st Gloucestershire Battalion
BFF Brigade
2nd Hyder Lancers Regiment
32nd Infantry Division
14th Indian Division
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Pathan Construction Battalion
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
Palmyra
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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
There are over 100 Combat Engineers in 3rd Marine Division, so in theory quick repairs are possible, but it is obviously only colonialists propaganda. Get there forces ASAP, before he begin flying fresh units. There should be only disabled squads left. Most artillery is on the ocean bottom, so any armour would be devastating.
Bold move with "Schwarzkopf left-hook" attack in Burma. If successful it will destroy all forces, and effectively end future offensives in theatre. It even open gates to India.
Although, tanks makes in jungle only 3 miles. get them on road immediately.
I would suggest gathering several large SNLF units, to quickly transport them by air, when bases in northern Burma fall. Getting Imphal will not complicate supply situation much, because supply movement cost in jungle is not that great. But extending front, by getting weakly protected bases, by air, and quickly getting there few units, will shake whole defensive position. If only base will be caught with substantial supply, it could be another point of local offensive.
Now, as for CV battle. Japan is facing more challenges with time, in that matter. Obviously the sooner the better. When Allies have planes from war beginning, Japan have huge advantage. Then they upgrade their AAA, their fighters, then attack planes, then torpedos begin working.
Currently, Japan gets new attack planes (good idea, with rearming CVEs first), and Allies will soon get HELLCATs, which will definitely end Japan advantage. So, if there should be battle, it will be better, before HELLCATs appear at all.
PS. Using enemy supply, to create barge fleet, and invade nearby island is quite brilliant idea. But this could be also excellent evacuation method:
When you know, you will lose island in next attack, just create barge fleet, load troops, and retreat. Better to lose possibly, only part during evacuation, than all by surrendering. Plus, maybe bombarding fleet will react toward already escaping barges, and came out of protective LRCAP umbrella? Plus creating barges lowers amount of supply enemy gets after conquest.
Bold move with "Schwarzkopf left-hook" attack in Burma. If successful it will destroy all forces, and effectively end future offensives in theatre. It even open gates to India.
Although, tanks makes in jungle only 3 miles. get them on road immediately.
I would suggest gathering several large SNLF units, to quickly transport them by air, when bases in northern Burma fall. Getting Imphal will not complicate supply situation much, because supply movement cost in jungle is not that great. But extending front, by getting weakly protected bases, by air, and quickly getting there few units, will shake whole defensive position. If only base will be caught with substantial supply, it could be another point of local offensive.
Now, as for CV battle. Japan is facing more challenges with time, in that matter. Obviously the sooner the better. When Allies have planes from war beginning, Japan have huge advantage. Then they upgrade their AAA, their fighters, then attack planes, then torpedos begin working.
Currently, Japan gets new attack planes (good idea, with rearming CVEs first), and Allies will soon get HELLCATs, which will definitely end Japan advantage. So, if there should be battle, it will be better, before HELLCATs appear at all.
PS. Using enemy supply, to create barge fleet, and invade nearby island is quite brilliant idea. But this could be also excellent evacuation method:
When you know, you will lose island in next attack, just create barge fleet, load troops, and retreat. Better to lose possibly, only part during evacuation, than all by surrendering. Plus, maybe bombarding fleet will react toward already escaping barges, and came out of protective LRCAP umbrella? Plus creating barges lowers amount of supply enemy gets after conquest.
RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
I vote drop the paras in Kalemyo. Halving his AV even once could be the difference at the right time (say, when forts are at lvl 1) and this battle is a potential theater killer for Andy. Great job in Burma.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
Being a predominantly Allied player I can tell you thay the capture of Kalemyo being a 'theater killer' is most definitelty not the case. If Andy wanted tio he could move 1000's of AV worth of troops and easily recapture Kalemyo.
PzB - what's your objective by taking it? Andy could recapture it at will.
PzB - what's your objective by taking it? Andy could recapture it at will.
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RE: Tennant Creek recaptured!
ORIGINAL: Speedy
Being a predominantly Allied player I can tell you thay the capture of Kalemyo being a 'theater killer' is most definitelty not the case. If Andy wanted tio he could move 1000's of AV worth of troops and easily recapture Kalemyo.
PzB - what's your objective by taking it? Andy could recapture it at will.
Speedy, I think PzB is more after killing of hordes of Andy's troops rather than securing specific forward bases(?). I agree with the idea to be ready to plant some paratroopers on the line of communication IF this would enable the capture of a large number of forces Kalemyo. It wouldn't harm and forces Andy to fight those as well before trying a reinforcement. Obviously that would have to be well coordinated timewise with the attacks on the stack at Kalemyo, because Andy will just bring in a couple more divisions to clean up the paras and reopen the supply route -- but hopefully there is nothing left to be supplied at that time... Very good move PzB!