PBEM 109

[06 Maestro]

All nations T208 have been forwarded.

[Anthropoid]

[:D] What is that quote of Napoleon? "Never do what your enemy wants [or expects] simply because that is what he wants"? Something like that?

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid

[:D] What is that quote of Napoleon? "Never do what your enemy wants [or expects] simply because that is what he wants"? Something like that?

He should have one that warns of allies suddenly becoming enemies. Then again, he got caught by surprise at Leipzig by the Saxons (IIRC). Oh well, live and learn.[;)]

[Anthropoid]

Yeah, and one about allies helping enemies too [;)]

Any ally who sits back and allows a formerly mutual enemy to attack was no actual ally in the first place.

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid

Yeah, and one about allies helping enemies too [;)]

Any ally who sits back and allows a formerly mutual enemy to attack was no actual ally in the first place.

There was a simple solution to that conflict, both before and after it started. However, you spurned all efforts to forestall or end the that war. My earlier efforts to form a real alliance also failed.

These actions belie the true intentions of the holy Czar. I knew you were drooling over Besserrabia since the last century-well come and get it! [:D]

[06 Maestro]

Whoever thought it would have come to pass that the women of Vienna would be showing Ottoman troops with flowers.[:D]

Some of the troops had some nice new horse artillery-recently provided by the Prussian Army. [;)]

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

England T209 sent in.

All the Best
Peter

[Anthropoid]

ORIGINAL: 06 Maestro

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid

Yeah, and one about allies helping enemies too [;)]

Any ally who sits back and allows a formerly mutual enemy to attack was no actual ally in the first place.

There was a simple solution to that conflict, both before and after it started. However, you spurned all efforts to forestall or end the that war. My earlier efforts to form a real alliance also failed.

These actions belie the true intentions of the holy Czar. I knew you were drooling over Besserrabia since the last century-well come and get it! [:D]

Please indulge me in pointing out to Turkey's current "allies" that, apparently from the Sultan's perspective, being "allied" by treaty with Turkey and France, and helping to defeat Austria did not constitute a "real alliance" (let us not forget that it was Russian troops who finally were able to occupy Vienna, not Turks . . .).

However, subsequent favoring of Austria over Russia by suggesting that Russia curtail her surrender terms and join an Ottoman-Austrian alliance _would_ have constituted a "real alliance" in the Sultan's mind.

Turkish loyalty and graciousness to those who have helped them to rise to the top of the food chain is spectacular to behold, no?

[Zap]

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid

T206 RusDone . . . ohhhh, look at me. I'm quivering in fear at the big bad Otto Man and his little stunty-armed, pointy-hat Austro Hungryman . . .

[:D]You had me bursting out laughing with that response.


For us spectators this word war is almost as good as the battle on the field.

[Anthropoid]

Wow, so THIS is what it feels like to have an albatross around the neck . . .

[06 Maestro]

It seems like we just had the shortest war on record. Prussia and Russia ganging up on Austria-lol. It lasted 3 months. Hopefully Russia can come to terms with Austria soon to save Europe from the continuation of an unnecessary war.

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid
Please indulge me in pointing out to Turkey's current "allies" that, apparently from the Sultan's perspective, being "allied" by treaty with Turkey and France, and helping to defeat Austria did not constitute a "real alliance" (let us not forget that it was Russian troops who finally were able to occupy Vienna, not Turks . . .).

IIRC it was a one year agreement to dow mutual enemies and to refuse trade for two years with Austria. The proposal came from Russia. The Franco/British/G.B Alliance is an open ended alliance which will last forever unless someone wishes to pay the price for breaking it. Austria has likewise joined in a similar agreement with the O.E. Russia has consistently refused to join in such an agreement. Even so, the O.E. has gone to great expense and effort to help Russia build up its empire.

The performance of the Russian Army in the last Austro/Ottoman War was less than stellar. That is another whole issue that is best left forgotten. The Ottoman Army lost nearly 1/2 million men. The circumstances of many of those losses were tied to the Russian Army's performance-or lack thereof. The war would have been won by France and the O.E. eventually-and possibly with much lower losses without Russian intervention.
As I recall, it was requested for a depot sharing treaty-Russia countered with the one year treaty. Russia wanted in the war when it was looking like an easy win.

However, subsequent favoring of Austria over Russia by suggesting that Russia curtail her surrender terms and join an Ottoman-Austrian alliance _would_ have constituted a "real alliance" in the Sultan's mind.

No it wouldn't. All it would have done was to help Russia avoid an embarrassing defeat. The approach to Austria was a costly endeavor by the Ottoman Empire. The reason that it was undertaken was to assist Russia in its very ill timed and executed attack on Prussia. The way Prussia was slaughtering the Russian Army I did not think it prudent to take the time to march half way through Europe to help you. The O.E. needed a direct approach. To gain such an avenue to attack Prussia (of which the O.E. had no qualms other than it was an enemy of my allies-saying this even though our treaty had expired) it was necessary to give up a hard won province and make a substantial payment to Austria. This was all done to help Russia. Do you think Prussia would have surrendered to Russia had the Ottoman Armies not shown up on its southern border? [;)]

Further; demands of tribute for 3 full years is outlandish-by any standard that I am aware of-except that of some drunken Cossack brigands. Russia owes its empire status and victories in (edit) three wars to Ottoman assistance. Russia was rapidly advancing in the world. Now, it is approaching its old position of wallowing in squaller and knee deep in unwanted wool.

Russia would have profited immensely by accepting the proposed idea of payments to Russia by France and the O.E. if Russia would make like payments back to Austria-You refused. Russia could also have sought a cease fire which would have ended the war with Austria after it had begun-you refused. Instead the Czar apparently conspired with Prussia to attack Austria-no doubt as a preliminary move to invading the O.E. --and it has actually declared war on the O.E. Russia has bit the hand that fed it-it will now starve until it see's the error of its ways.

Turkish loyalty and graciousness to those who have helped them to rise to the top of the food chain is spectacular to behold, no?

My actual true allies have no complaints that I am aware of. At least none of them have issued a declaration of war against the Ottoman Empire- Russia has.

The Sultan has grown weary of this unrelenting insolence. The Czar has 3 months to make peace with Austria-that is, by March of 1810. Russia's transgressions will be overlooked if peace is had before that time. Otherwise....[:D]

[Anthropoid]

Well it sounds like you guys are happy to let the Turkman win the game, so it is perhaps best if Russia just surrender and let the big boys finish up.

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

England T210 sent in.

All the Best
Peter

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: Anthropoid

Well it sounds like you guys are happy to let the Turkman win the game, so it is perhaps best if Russia just surrender and let the big boys finish up.

Do not worry-there are plenty of schemes to bring down the O.E. You can join another one soon. [;)]

[aprezto]

The mighty Teutonic warriors march to war, all opponents trembling in their way.

But ooohhh look - some daisies!

[06 Maestro]

ORIGINAL: aprezto

The mighty Teutonic warriors march to war, all opponents trembling in their way.

But ooohhh look - some daisies!

You have to take some time to smell the flowers-the Sultan has a nice rose garden just outside the Palace.

Of course, it is not prudent to admire the foliage in the midst of battle.[;)]

[aprezto]

Good thing we were fighting outside the Sultan's palace then, I'd never have got the soldiers to form ranks. Although thinking on this, maybe we make the palace gardens the objective and then allow them time to make daisy chains once they get there.

[06 Maestro]

All nations T210 were forwarded-about 6 hours ago.

[Kingmaker]

HiHi

England T211 sent in.

All the Best
Peter