New Patch destroys R&D

[CapAndGown]

I had advanced both the Frank a version and Tony Id to January 1944. After applying the patch, however, their arrival dates have been pushed back to the original dates of 4/44. All my R&D did me absolutely no good.

[witpqs]

Have you tried the patch without OOB changes?

BTW, see my email too.

[hkbhsi]

ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

I had advanced both the Frank a version and Tony Id to January 1944. After applying the patch, however, their arrival dates have been pushed back to the original dates of 4/44. All my R&D did me absolutely no good.

I have the same problem and the Tojo also immediately switched to use the Ha 34 Engine messing all my production. Me and my opponent have decided to not upgrade the database changes. OTOH if you do not update the database you will still be able to use drop tanks on the Judys so we agreed on a HR that will prohibit Japan to use them.

[RUDOLF]

IT works all ok for me.

My Franks still arrive in August 1943... and my Tojos use Ha-35...
Patch is installed and work properlly, it has not effected the Scenario/Database of my already ongoing game.

Are you sure you updated in the correct way?

[Bradley7735]

ORIGINAL: RUDOLF

IT works all ok for me.

My Franks still arrive in August 1943... and my Tojos use Ha-35...
Patch is installed and work properlly, it has not effected the Scenario/Database of my already ongoing game.

Are you sure you updated in the correct way?

Are you playing modified scenario? The patch only updates the official scenarios.

[RUDOLF]

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

ORIGINAL: RUDOLF

IT works all ok for me.

My Franks still arrive in August 1943... and my Tojos use Ha-35...
Patch is installed and work properlly, it has not effected the Scenario/Database of my already ongoing game.

Are you sure you updated in the correct way?

Are you playing modified scenario? The patch only updates the official scenarios.

Well yes, we play a scenario allowing IJN fighters to upgrade to any type of availeble IJN fighter.
Mabye that is the reason then.

I do get the code changes however, my Radar stations now detect B24's 160 NM out.

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: RUDOLF

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

ORIGINAL: RUDOLF

IT works all ok for me.

My Franks still arrive in August 1943... and my Tojos use Ha-35...
Patch is installed and work properlly, it has not effected the Scenario/Database of my already ongoing game.

Are you sure you updated in the correct way?

Are you playing modified scenario? The patch only updates the official scenarios.

Well yes, we play a scenario allowing IJN fighters to upgrade to any type of availeble IJN fighter.
Mabye that is the reason then.

I do get the code changes however, my Radar stations now detect B24's 160 NM out.

That would be it then, the code changes affect all games, but the database changes only affect the stock scenarios.

[viberpol]

ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

I had advanced both the Frank a version and Tony Id to January 1944. After applying the patch, however, their arrival dates have been pushed back to the original dates of 4/44. All my R&D did me absolutely no good.

I feel your pain cap_and_gown. [:(] I checked my PBEM game and it's the same.
Weird though, that engine acceleration seems to be preserved only aircrafts fall back to the original dates... [&:]
That does seem to ruin games.. feel like changing terms of the game during play is not fair nor understandable.

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: viberpol

ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

I had advanced both the Frank a version and Tony Id to January 1944. After applying the patch, however, their arrival dates have been pushed back to the original dates of 4/44. All my R&D did me absolutely no good.

I feel your pain cap_and_gown. [:(] I checked my PBEM game and it's the same.
Weird though, that engine acceleration seems to be preserved only aircrafts fall back to the original dates... [&:]
That does seem to ruin games.. feel like changing terms of the game during play is not fair nor understandable.

"Just say no" [:)]

That is the reason you are asked if you want to accept the database changes. If you just say no, no changes will be made to your on-going game.

[CapAndGown]

Back up, rerun the last turn using the old version, then install the patch again, only this time, do not do the database update. That is what I did.

[michaelm75au]

The dates are only updated if there is no current development on the aircraft or engine.
This means that there is a window when the database update could kick in and wipe out the R&D advancement - just after the R&D advanced (by reaching 100 development points) and it reset the development counter back to 0.

That is why it probable worked for you by going forward a day and updating again - a development point was most likely added in that turn and no update would happen. [edit just re-read post and noticed you didn't update at all. That works too.[:D]]
[You could have used new EXE and just said no to the database update for first turn, and then yes the next time.]

I'll make a simple change to always keep at least one R&D point available once development kicks.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: pompack

"Just say no" [:)]

That is the reason you are asked if you want to accept the database changes. If you just say no, no changes will be made to your on-going game.

Right, some people holler that all changes should be automatic for everything ... other people holler about the changes that are applied to ongoing games. For me, I would not want to change an ongoing game. We started a game, we were dealt the cards, we should finish it!

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

Back up, rerun the last turn using the old version, then install the patch again, only this time, do not do the database update. That is what I did.

Actually there is no reason to revert the version. Instead just rerun the last turn and this time say NO to database changes. As long as you load a turn saved under the old version, you will always be asked if you wish to update the database.

[CapAndGown]

ORIGINAL: pompack

ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

Back up, rerun the last turn using the old version, then install the patch again, only this time, do not do the database update. That is what I did.

Actually there is no reason to revert the version. Instead just rerun the last turn and this time say NO to database changes. As long as you load a turn saved under the old version, you will always be asked if you wish to update the database.

You should always do the turn resolution using the version the orders were issued under. Once the turn has been resolved, then you do the upgrade. That is why I suggest rerunning under the old version before upgrading.

[ADB123]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: pompack

"Just say no" [:)]

That is the reason you are asked if you want to accept the database changes. If you just say no, no changes will be made to your on-going game.

Right, some people holler that all changes should be automatic for everything ... other people holler about the changes that are applied to ongoing games. For me, I would not want to change an ongoing game. We started a game, we were dealt the cards, we should finish it!

Joe - I've always assumed that Data Base changes were like bug fixes, and made things better/more correct/fixed, and so on. So I've always assumed that the DB changes were necessary. So I happily said "yes" and now almost all of my subs have fresh System Damage - mainly to their deck guns but also in a few cases to torpedo tubes. So in this case, what I thought would be an improvement has turned into a bug...

[michaelm75au]

The update process has been around since first patch and is generally sound.

So I've always assumed that the DB changes were necessary.

It is up to the player(s) if they wish to apply the DB changes while a game is in progress. The reason for the question "Do you want to..".
It is not mandatory.

The issue why all your subs have SYS damage would not be due to the patch update itself, but something else. Please attach the save you used to update from to the post in the support forum.

[edit]
Ships are not touched by the DB updates, just the Device, Aircraft, Ship class and TOEs.

[d0mbo]

I loaded the turn on an old databse sent to me by my opponent. It only said the database was changed? I had the choice of accepting the turn and loading it OR i could say no and then the turn wouldnt load.

WHat gives?

Did my opponent update already? (I am the JAP side).

[viberpol]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: pompack
"Just say no" [:)]
That is the reason you are asked if you want to accept the database changes. If you just say no, no changes will be made to your on-going game.

For me, I would not want to change an ongoing game. We started a game, we were dealt the cards, we should finish it!

That's OK, I 100% agree. Cards are on the table. Play with it.
But... I have no problem with fixing clear mistakes in the database. It's always good news. But... if this database update resets my 2 years old R&D program, then there is something wrong with it. [&:]

Especially if you find that ALL aircraft R&D is reset to default level while engine R&D is preserved... How come? [&:]

[michaelm75au]

It is a timing thing.
It will only reset to the old date if at the end of a R&D cycle which 1 in 100 chance (assuming it gains 1 R&D point per day, that is 1 in every 100 days it would be likely to get reset)

[pompack]

ORIGINAL: michaelm

It is a timing thing.
It will only reset to the old date if at the end of a R&D cycle which 1 in 100 chance (assuming it gains 1 R&D point per day, that is 1 in every 100 days it would be likely to get reset)

michaelm:
It also resets a/c that have already completed R&D. It is a 1% probability for a/c in R&D but 100% for a/c who have completed R&D for games currently before the original completion date