'Tis light as a feather... No Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:17 pm

September 10th.

Well, another 3 USN BBs have been identified in the waters around Okinawa and what looks like a minimum of 7 or 8 CVEs are covering invasion TFs into the Ishigaki island region. PH is running a LOT of LRCAP over his TFs and bases. It appears that he is trying to cover every TF or base with 100 fighters, split between high ( 37,000+) and low ( under 6,000 feet ) CAP/LRCAP. With 4 bases to cover and 5 or 6 TFs that is a committment of 1,000 fighters to purely defensive missions.

Wonderful !!!! While they're doing that they're not killing my fighters and butchering my pilots before they can upgrade to useful planes. I'm encouraging this misallocation of resources by committing a single Betty kamikaze Daitai and a Toka unit ( basically the Toka is the navy version of the Ki-115 and utterly useless in the face of lots of CAP. On the plus side it only costs 18 HI to build one and so is the cheapest way I can distract him.) I'm also running a dozen A6M8/7 kamis into the region to keep a credible high-altitude threat alive. They won't do much but if I can tie him into the Okinawa/Ishigaki operations for another fortnight then my rebuilding of my air force will be largely complete and when he comes for Japan proper he will find 200 modern fighters flown by pilots with A2A skill of between 75 and 65 over each of my important bases.

My submarines continued to spot lots of USN shipping but none of my night torpedo bombers flew. Ah well, there's always tomorrow. The tactic is solid and I'll just have to wait for it to bear fruit.

Today his bombers his Fukuoka where I had parked a lot of ships I just had no use for. I had also placed my CVEs there as "bomb magnets" and that's just how they worked. About half of all bombs which hit anything hit the 3 CVEs - which are worthless militarily and saved other ships from destruction. My night fighters were unable to force his bombers back and didn't even shoot any down. On the other hand none of the planes committed had radar. Next month though I begin making 48 Ki-102cs per month and those have radar. I expect them to begin shooting down B-29s.

Even notwithstanding that forcing him to conduct night raids lowers the effectiveness of his bombers by a huge factor... If he wasn't getting so tied up in knots by my expenditure of 12 kamis per day around Okinawa, diverting about 1,000 fighters to defensive missions, he could sweep my bases during the daytime and send in devastating daylight raids which would sink scores of ships.

He seems to think he is achieving great success with his night-time raids and I have judged that the best way to encourage him to continue them is to frequently downplay the damage done. It appears that as I do that he believes he "sees through" this maskirovka and it encourages him to view these raids as significant. I can then, truthfully, say that I don't think they're significant at which point he sees through this next layer of maskirovka and redoubles his bombing efforts.

The problem is he isn't looking at the opportunity cost of the bombing in terms of what missions he could be running which would be MORE effective than night-time bombing. To be fair his night-time bombing raids aren't super-effective either. I got about as many hits with a 6 bomber Ki-264 raid as he did with close to 100 B-29s tonight...

Anyways, so far in terms of psyops:
1. He's getting suckered into committing heavy units to the Okinawa region.
2. He is committing 1,000+ fighters to defensive missions when they could hugely damage my airforce if used offensively before I have the next generation of fighters in production ( the first of these begin production next month ).
3. He is committing to night-time bombing raids in a big way.
4. He is susceptible to perceived threats elsewhere ( he seems to have interpreted the movement of my kamis into Truk as a threat to his B-29 bases at Guam etc.... He flew his B-29s out of there a day or so after I moved into Truk with the kamis.
5. Most important of all. He seems to think he is ahead of the curve in the psyops war. I'm going to continue feeding him small numbers of planes daily to encourage that view.
6. He is susceptible to manipulation in target selection. When I based the Ki-43 IIIs into Formosa he obliterated the base with B29s. Over the past week he has also bombed bases after I've moved small numbers of kami-type planes in. Basically if it is a front-line base and it goes from empty to occupied he strongly considers hitting it.I can use that with small fragments of groups to help him waste days of massed bomber strikes.

There's a lot more to surviving against heavy bombers than shooting them down. One of the best ways of surviving is simply to help guide them to hit targets you don't find essential. That's what I'm doing right now and it seems to be working well.

In other news two of my subs sank the CVE Casablanca and the 25 Hellcats aboard her near Ishigaki. The BB Tennessee is also showing up as sunk but I doubt that is true. I also destroyed 3 subs with minefields around the sea of Japan today and two of his ships hit sub-laid minefields around Okinawa. In return 3 of my subs which attacked large USN and RN TFs were also sunk. Such is life.

He is making an effort to kill my barge TFs running troops and supplies to the islands off Kyushu with surfaced subs so I am adding depth-charge carrying barges to these TFs and will consider adding MGBs ( armed with an 8cm gun as well as 25mm guns ) to the TFs also if the depth-charge carrying barges don't stop the subs entirely.

Tomorrow two PT TFs will be ready to operate from Amami Oshima. Over the course of the next fortnight I plan to commit PT TFs to maintain the focus on the Okinawa region and encourage him to keep CAs and CLs in the region --- where my night-time torpedo attacks, minefields and submarines can get at them.

Onto more important matters than the Okinawa sideshow....
The Kuriles are thickening nicely in terms of troops. I have the first Brigade emplaced on an island and almost every island has a CD unit. I am also ordering a large majority of the artillery units in the Home Islands to Hokkaido for later shipment to the Kuriles. In terms of AAA I am ordering every MG AAA unit ( 2cm guns and smaller ) into the Kuriles with a view to providing defence vs dive-bombers. Independent infantry Brigades are loading onto ships ready for transport and engineer units are also beginning to arrive. Given two months I can make the Kuriles a VERY tough nut to crack. The problem is I don't think I have 2 months.

It is 10th September and the Okinawa/Ishigaki operation will be completed by 24th September. I could begin expecting landings in the Kuriles within 2 weeks of that date. By that date I'm not sure I'll have sufficient forts built to enable to Kuriles to hold. Neither will I have enough kamikazes of the right types. So I've decided to focus on the defences of the islands closest to Hokkaido and expand my defences outward as time allows. I'll have a presence on every island but I'll only really thicken out the innermost islands and once I judge them secure I'll extent outward. The inner ring runs from Hokkaido to Etorofu Jima.

I'll go into the defensive plans for the Kuriles later but suffice it to say it features Shinyos, PTs and lots of high-altitude kamikazes combined with as much arty as I can manage... Why so much arty? Well, I know I can't stop any landing he wants to make but if I have enough artillery I might be able to disable and destroy enough squads during the amphibious landing phase to throw the issue into doubt. It isn't ideal but it is the best compromise I can reach in a situation where I can't stop him landing and I can't win the numbers battle once he lands.

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:57 pm

11th September:

The Allies are landing at the two islands around Ishigaki. Those islands don't contain any noticeable Japanese forces as I have decided to focus my air transport efforts on making Ishigaki island a little tougher. He may, of course, bypass it but that just means I can base lots of Ohkas, Ki-115s etc there as those planes are floatplane-equipped. So Ishigaki will make a nice little guerilla base.

My submarines are really getting pounded with four more going down today. I think I'm going to leave the waters around Okinawa to my midget subs from now on and will draw the coastal and ocean-going boats back to safer waters.

My night-time level bombers hit Okinawa again putting bombs into four ships:
SS Sea Leopard, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
LCS(L)-27, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Pocomoke, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Alcoa Pilgrim, Bomb hits 1, on fire

This night-time raiding will eat him up over time unless he puts significantly more resources into countering it. In a little while when he begins to feel the pressure properly I plan to inform him that day fighters can be used as extempore night fighters. That'll serve as a useful further further option for misallocation of his fighters.

I finally managed to launch a good-sized night-time torpedo attack 49 bombers went in around Naha. I lost three but got a good torpedo hit on the xAP Cape Victory which, I think, sank as a result.
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Night Air attack on TF, near Naha at 95,66

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 13
G4M3a Betty x 36

Allied aircraft
P-61C Black Widow x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 damaged
G4M3a Betty: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PF Grand Forks
xAP Cape Victory, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Cape Canso
PF Casper
PF Pueblo

I could have done better but for some reason the G3M3s only dropped bombs despite being near an Air HQ. I'll check it next turn and fix whatever SNAFU occurred.

One thing that puzzles me is the following comment in the CR:
Banzai! - Fujimatsu S. in a G4M3a Betty willing to die for the Emperor

Does this mean that he tried to crash his damaged Betty into a USN ship?

As I said previously he likes to hit bases where airplane icons appear. Today he hit Kanoya - the base my Betties flew from - and destroyed 6 planes on the ground. He's predictable. A bad, bad trait.

The next morning my subs got into the act and torpedoed the xAP Cape Canso which had survived the night-time aerial assault the previous night. So,. that's another xAP which won't be doing too much invading of the Home Islands.

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-144

Allied Ships
xAP Cape Canso, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Another interesting attack today was the first entry into combat of Ki-74s in the kamikaze role...
Morning Air attack on TF, near Naha at 95,66

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 43,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-74-I Patsy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-40N26 Warhawk x 53
P-51H Mustang x 44
F6F-5 Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-74-I Patsy: 2 destroyed

They flew so high only the P-51Hs could get them and even then one of the Ki-74s broke through the CAP and dove on a USN CA. It missed but in another week I should begin making 192 Ki-74s per month and if only 1 in 6 actually hits that's still a hit a day even in the face of strong CAP.

Allied Ships
CA Pensacola

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-74-I Patsy flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

US profligacy showed itself again with something like 800 bombers and fighter-bombers hitting the islands around Ishigaki. Suffice it to say the small numbers of troops I was able to air transport in ( about 400 to 600 troops each ) were pretty much annihilated.

In other news:
My APDs and LSTs are now in full action in Kuriles and with them comes a very useful medium-range lift capability. Already multiple Engineer Bns and AAA Bns are on their way to the two main nodal basis along the Kuriles axis.

His subs sank 3 of my xAKs today. At present I'm a little short on escorts as:
a) so many of them are in being upgraded and
b) most of the rest are being committed to the main effort around the Kuriles. I'm sure PH is mesmerised by the Okinawa axis right now as I'm putting on a fair amount of "show" there but my strategic focus is very much along the Kuriles axis.

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:37 pm

In other news I was checking airplane production numbers etc and found that:

1. The Ki-94II is now moved up to December 45 from January 46 and
2. The J7W1 is moved up to November 45 from December 45.

With 300 J7W1s being produced I am expecting them to move up 3 months and become available near the end of September. I'm also expecting the Ki-94 II to enter production before the end of the month also.... It has to move up by 5 months to do so but should rack up 500 R&D points in just under a month. So, by the end of September I can begin fielding some serious top echelon fighters.

FatR · Post by **FatR** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:56 am

One thing that puzzles me is the following comment in the CR:
Banzai! - Fujimatsu S. in a G4M3a Betty willing to die for the Emperor

Does this mean that he tried to crash his damaged Betty into a USN ship?

Yes. This can happen to fighters that against Allied bombers too.

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:33 pm

A question re: optimising loading and unloading rates.

I've looked in the manual for some info on this but I can't quite find what I'm looking for. From memory the loading rate of a ship which is docked at a port is 200 x Port Size per day while the unloading rate is something like 200 + ( 200 x Port Size ).

So, at Shanghai ( which is a Level 7 port ) I should be able to load about 1400 tons of supplies etc per day per ship... Thus filling a 2800 ton ship with supplies in two days. I'd appreciate if someone could confirm my understanding of the above stats...

Also, just how much additional loading and unloading does a naval support squad bring? I've read that each squad present allows 10 additional tons of supply to be loaded per day. Is that per ship or over all of the ships available?

Obviously if 240 Naval Support Squads allow an additional 1200 tons to be loaded per day then that would double the effectiveness of a Level 6 port and be a major change to my transportation policy.

Basically I need to increase the efficiency of Shanghai, Keijo and the port feeding Hakodate. I'm running very large numbers of ships through each of those ports and would like to speed their turnaround.

beppi · Post by **beppi** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:51 pm

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

A question re: optimising loading and unloading rates.

I've looked in the manual for some info on this but I can't quite find what I'm looking for. From memory the loading rate of a ship which is docked at a port is 200 x Port Size per day while the unloading rate is something like 200 + ( 200 x Port Size ).

So, at Shanghai ( which is a Level 7 port ) I should be able to load about 1400 tons of supplies etc per day per ship... Thus filling a 2800 ton ship with supplies in two days. I'd appreciate if someone could confirm my understanding of the above stats...

Also, just how much additional loading and unloading does a naval support squad bring? I've read that each squad present allows 10 additional tons of supply to be loaded per day. Is that per ship or over all of the ships available?

Obviously if 240 Naval Support Squads allow an additional 1200 tons to be loaded per day then that would double the effectiveness of a Level 6 port and be a major change to my transportation policy.

Basically I need to increase the efficiency of Shanghai, Keijo and the port feeding Hakodate. I'm running very large numbers of ships through each of those ports and would like to speed their turnaround.

From my experience the naval support squads ad the value for each ship. Was able to unload entire convoys with 500k supply in one or two days with about 1000 naval support at a lvl 6 base. Even the 5k or 6k xAKs.

n01487477 · Post by **n01487477** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:34 am

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

A question re: optimising loading and unloading rates.

I've looked in the manual for some info on this but I can't quite find what I'm looking for. From memory the loading rate of a ship which is docked at a port is 200 x Port Size per day while the unloading rate is something like 200 + ( 200 x Port Size ).

Well it actually varies; 200 for resources; 100 for supplies; 500 for Oil and Fuel.

So, at Shanghai ( which is a Level 7 port ) I should be able to load about 1400 tons of supplies etc per day per ship... Thus filling a 2800 ton ship with supplies in two days. I'd appreciate if someone could confirm my understanding of the above stats...

Actually your maths is wrong here ... 7*200 = 1400 * 2 = 2800 ... nevertheless because you're talking supplies halve this and you're actually correct[;)]

Also, just how much additional loading and unloading does a naval support squad bring? I've read that each squad present allows 10 additional tons of supply to be loaded per day. Is that per ship or over all of the ships available?

It's not 10 extra per day; it's per 12 hour pulse.

10 Points per squad, so 10 NS = 100 points per ship but cannot improve the total cargo handling
limitations of the port (72800 @ Lvl 7 port).

eg. At a lvl 3 port without NS; a ship can load 600 supplies a day (100*3)*2
At a Lvl 3 port with 10 NS; a ship can load 800 supplies a day (100*3)+(10*10)*2
but the TF's cannot load more than 11250 supplies a day.

Obviously if 240 Naval Support Squads allow an additional 1200 tons to be loaded per day then that would double the effectiveness of a Level 6 port and be a major change to my transportation policy.

240 NS = 2400 Load Points

Using Shanghai as an example size 7
Normal load = 1400 /day

with NS 240
(240*10)+(100*7)*2 = 6200 per ship loading supplies
Up to the max 72800 per day

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:13 pm

Thanks Damian, so basically I can get 72,000 tons of transports loaded in Shanghai in a single day and that's the practical limit of my TFs at Shanghai.

72,000 tons = 12 x 6,000 ton xAKs and I can, if I commit, a 240 Naval Support Fleet HQ load 6,000 tons+ per ship per day.

That means I should be aiming to export 72,000 tons of supply or resources per day from Shanghai. I'm getting about half of that - but I don't have a Fleet HQ in place. I'm going to make that a major priority next turn. Logistics, logistics, logistics.

bbbf · Post by **bbbf** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:38 pm

What effect does docked and undocked have on the equation?

n01487477 · Post by **n01487477** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:46 pm

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Thanks Damian, so basically I can get 72,000 tons of transports loaded in Shanghai in a single day and that's the practical limit of my TFs at Shanghai.

72,000 tons = 12 x 6,000 ton xAKs and I can, if I commit, a 240 Naval Support Fleet HQ load 6,000 tons+ per ship per day.

That means I should be aiming to export 72,000 tons of supply or resources per day from Shanghai. I'm getting about half of that - but I don't have a Fleet HQ in place. I'm going to make that a major priority next turn. Logistics, logistics, logistics.

No worries - this equation only applies to supplies - also when you hit lvl 8 as I suggested it gets easier still...
[*]With Resources because you have 200 Resource centres there it also gives a bonus for Daily load and Cargo limits.
[*]This equates to 200*20 = 4000 + 2800 = 6800 /day per ship & 72800 + 4000 = 76800 Daily limit for Resources
[*]The same applies for OilRefineries ... but you have none at Shanghai, but also effects your offloading of Fuel ...

Sorry gratuitous pic of something you can't use... still need to apply port damage to the equations Interesting you say you don't have Naval Support there... this is taken from the save you sent long while back...

BTW: we're going to release this very soon depending on our work schedules

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:21 pm

I think PH must be getting some good advice in his thread since he has stopped using his B-29s so tactically and has hit the HI at Shanghai very heavily. Hopefully people are sticking to reading one or the other or only giving general advice... Someone contacted me recently saying that some fairly specific advice to hit things I had IDed as weaknesses in this AAR was being given by someone in PH's AAR. I'm going to rein in the specificity of some of what I post here as a result and won't be giving atoll by atoll fortification and garrison levels as I can see PH's targetting and asset usage changing in a manner precisely mirroring what I spoke about and what was seemingly said in his AAR.

It could be chance, of course, but the suddenness of targetting changes following on from the raising of concern regarding the specificity of advice being given does make me wonder. Of course maybe people just analysed the situation perfectly based ONLY on data contained within PH's AAR. I think, however, it is more likely that they analysed the situation based on data contained in both AARs and then based advice on information PH couldn't have.

So, regrettably, I am modifying the plan for this AAR.... BTW I don't care to enter a discussion about who said what. I specifically asked not to know any names etc. I just don't want the game ruined by people giving analyses in PH's AAR which uses data they can't have except by reading this AAR. Since I can't rely on common sense I will rely on self-censorship in terms of not giving the relevant data anymore. I also don't think there was anything malicious in what anyone may or may not have done. From the very broad strokes concerns I heard of it just seems to be a case of analysis with the benefit of data in one side of an AAR being posted to another side of the AAR. I consider that a breach of FOW.

Anyways, with that unpleasantness out of the way onto the turn.... I'm going to post the CR as:
a) a lot happened and
b) I'm going to deal a LOT more with day to day stuff than grand strategic planning and analysis. As PH commits to a specific strategy I can talk about counters but I won't be going into analyses of his intentions or my weaknesses nearly as much in the future. I don't have faith that someone won't try to appear prescient by having their analysis in PH's thread strangely mirror mine...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 12, 45
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ASW attack near Kume-jima at 94,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-148

Allied Ships
AM Rail

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ASW attack near Sapporo at 118,50

Japanese Ships
E Io, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
TK Hidaka Maru
E Ikino

Allied Ships
SS Loggerhead, hits 28, on fire, heavy damage

Escort for SS. A straight swap.

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Sub attack near Iriomote at 88,65

Japanese Ships
SS I-155, hits 6

Allied Ships
CVE Copahee, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Frank Knox
DD Newcomb
DD Murray

This is a good result. It is the 2nd CVE the operations around Ishigaki have cost PH.

The cost to my subs is a bit high though so I am going to redeploy them elsewhere and replace their guerilla actions with another, more expendable asset --- which, evidently, I'm not going to detail here until it goes into action. Once bitten, twice shy.

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Sub vs Sub: SS I-14 attacking SS Hardhead at 101,56 - near Nakadori-jima

Japanese Ships
SS I-14

Allied Ships
SS Hardhead, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage

Lots of the damaged subs on both sides are being sunk by submarine attacks as they try to limp home. Here Hardhead is being given the coup de grace by I-14.

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Submarine attack near Keijo at 101,50

Japanese Ships
xAK Ikuta Maru

Allied Ships
SS Bashaw

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ASW attack near Ishigaki at 89,68

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-153, hits 14

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas

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Submarine attack near Keijo at 101,50

Japanese Ships
xAK Hirota Maru, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Bashaw

Fortunately the Hirota Maru wasn't carrying any troops to Korea. I'm splitting my evacuees from China pretty much 50/50 now as I can see I have more than enough troops available to reach my target garrisons for the Kurile islands and Hokkaido.

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Sub attack near Kume-jima at 94,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-148

Allied Ships
DD Lawrence

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Night Air attack on TF, near Orchid Island at 87,68

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Japanese aircraft
G4M3a Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M3a Betty: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Nassau
CVE Chenango

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M3a Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes
Banzai! - Mikami U. in a G4M3a Betty willing to die for the Emperor

Interesting, the CVEs don't carry night-fighters. Admittedly I lost a Betty but I did manage to launch 8 torpedoes and over time, eventually, some of these night-time torpedo attacks on CVEs/CVLs and CVs are going to score hits, particularly as my pilot experience increases.

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Night Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Hmm, PH's new strategy comes into play. He is focussing on ports and HI. Right now he's eliminating the HI outside Japan and hitting the ports within Japan at night but soon I expect he'll begin night bombing of Japanese HI in the Home Islands. Later he'll transition to daylight bombing. I have plans to counter this obviously but loose lips sink ships.

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 4
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 37
Ki-102c Randy x 15

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet *
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 1
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 17
Ki-102c Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

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Submarine attack near Orchid Island at 87,68

Japanese Ships
SS I-154, hits 26, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Southerland
APA Elkheart
AKA Cepheus
AKA Tyrell
LSD Epping Forest
DD Mertz
DD Melvin
DD McNair
DD McKee

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Sub attack near Iki-shima at 102,57

Japanese Ships
xAKL Daietsu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAKL Mayara Maru
PB Tama Maru #5

Allied Ships
SS Parche

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TF 39 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

35 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
AM Toowoomba, Shell hits 6, on fire
AM Ballarat, Shell hits 6
PF Loch Craggie

I guess he's going to be retaking Palembang soon then. Well, it was inevitable. I never had enough there to hold it. Fortunately I managed to get cadres out so all's well.

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Sub vs Sub: SS Silversides attacking SS Ha-D-132 at 98,63 - near Amami Oshima

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-132, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Silversides

Bye bye Ha-D-132

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Sub vs Sub: SS I-122 attacking SS Angler at 101,56 - near Nakadori-jima

Japanese Ships
SS I-122

Allied Ships
SS Angler, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Bye Bye Angler [8D]

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ASW attack near Batan Island at 86,69

Japanese Ships
SS I-158, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Frank Knox
DD Murray

Bye bye I-158

Seriously, who would want to be a sub CO in 1945 if this was real? Not me.

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Sub attack near Orchid Island at 86,68

Japanese Ships
SS I-157, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas

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Sub attack near Orchid Island at 86,68

Japanese Ships
SS I-157

Allied Ships
YMS-270
YMS-274
YMS-273

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Morning Air attack on Soc Trang , at 58,73

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 12

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 10000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 15

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 8000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 98
Ki-100-I Tony x 49

Unfortunately my 2nd line fighters didn't prove capable of holding the enemy P-51 Hs, their most effective fighters. Thankfully he only gets 207 per month so if push comes to shove my first line fighters can simply swamp them with numbers.

Allied aircraft
P-51H Mustang x 66

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 7 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51H Mustang: 1 destroyed

Actually they lost 7 P-51Hs which is only a day's supply of them. I lost quite a few Franks and Tonys but, fortunately, I only lost the same number of pilots....

Over the course of the day I downed 17 P-47Ns, 7 P-51 Hs and 15 P-51Ds for a total of 39 Allied 1st line fighters destroyed with their pilots. I lost 48 Ki-84bs ( obsolescent already ) and 27 Ki-100 Is ( better but still 2nd line ) but, crucially, only 39 pilots also. I have to survive another 2 weeks of this and then significantly better fighters will begin coming off the production line. I have reserves of some 800 or so 2nd-line fighters and so that should see me through 2 more weeks. I also have a plan to eke them out more but won't go into that here until the 2 weeks are well and truly over.

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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 55

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
55 x P-47D25 Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 76
Ki-100-I Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 62
Ki-100-I Tony x 28

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 5 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 37
Ki-100-I Tony x 14

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 9 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Sheer numbers and fatigue just whittled the Japanese down. I only had 150 fighters here but even if I'd had 200 they'd have been worn down before the bombers arrived. I've got to start aiming for 300 Japanese fighters per base I want to defend and more for significant HI bases.

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 5
Ki-100-I Tony x 1

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Okinoerabushima at 96,65

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Kami raid to keep him honest.

Allied aircraft
P-40N26 Warhawk x 1
P-47N Thunderbolt x 4
P-51D Mustang x 35
F4U-4 Corsair x 6
F6F-5 Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Okinoerabushima at 96,65

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 13

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 3
P-51D Mustang x 26
F4U-4 Corsair x 4
F6F-5 Hellcat x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Quincy II
CA Canberra II

This conventional raid got 7 torpedo-carrying Ki-67 Ts into action and did pretty well actually. They didn't hit but, eventually, they will.

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Banzai! - Saito R. in a Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy willing to die for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Okinoerabushima at 96,65

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M2a Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
P-40N26 Warhawk x 4
P-47N Thunderbolt x 5
P-51D Mustang x 13
F4U-4 Corsair x 7
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2a Betty: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Soc Trang , at 58,73

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 15

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Corsair IV bombing from 100 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 7
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 8

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 29

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 99
B-25J11 Mitchell x 55
B-32 Dominator x 8
P-47N Thunderbolt x 12
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 71

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 12
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3
PV-2 Harpoon x 7

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25J11 Mitchell x 50
P-40N26 Warhawk x 22
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 24
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 5

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 21

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 26

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 208
B-29B Superfort x 68

And here are the heavies... They all went after HI which was utterly destroyed. Of course losing this HI was inevitable as it could never be adequately defended outside of the Home Islands.

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 106

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 115
B-29B Superfort x 24

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 156

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

571 B-29s. LOL! He can hit anything he wants with them as even 4,000 IJNAF and IJAAF fighters couldn't stop 500+ B-29s given the current heavy bomber combat model.

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-26C Invader x 62
B-32 Dominator x 27
F6F-5 Hellcat x 24

Allied aircraft losses
A-26C Invader: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 91

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 21

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 25

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 5 damaged

Training flight from 25th Sentai has been caught up in attack
Banzai! - Kagawa O. in a Ki-27b Nate rams a B-29-25 Superfort for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 8

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27b Nate x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 15

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 14

No Allied losses

Oops we spoke too soon. It was actually 805 B-29s, not just under 600.

Now it becomes clear why I don't think he needs all those nukes. It is just overkill and unnecessary.

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51H Mustang x 7

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 44,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 7

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 16

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 2
A-26C Invader x 133
P-51H Mustang x 48
F6F-5 Hellcat x 24

Allied aircraft losses
A-26C Invader: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on Taihoku , at 87,63

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 142
B-29-25 Superfort x 8

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Oil hits 6

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Morning Air attack on Taihoku , at 87,63

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 41

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 18

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 18

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 18

No Allied losses

Now we're up to 859 in a single day over a single city.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hengchun at 85,68

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ohka Model 11 x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ohka Model 11: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
SC PC-807, Kamikaze hits 1, and is sunk
SC PC-804
SC PC-806, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage

Two small subchasers sunk. It is better than nothing.

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ASW attack near Hengchun at 85,68

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-37, hits 5, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SC PC-805

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Sub attack near Saishu To at 98,55

Japanese Ships
ACM Toshi Maru #5, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Guitarro

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ASW attack near Kume-jima at 94,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-148

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Submarine attack near Kume-jima at 94,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-148, hits 18, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Trenton
DD Drayton
DD Clark
DD Balch
DD Conyngham
DD Case

And there endeth the day. Kobe, Osaka, Nagoya, Tokyo and Fukuoka as well as a few other cities ( probably Maeshita etc for engine/airframe production ) should be next on his target list. We'll see how it goes.

Overall losses for the day were 99 for the Japanese ( mostly comprising the 75 Franks and Tonys ) and 66 for the Allies. No ops losses for the CVE I hit have appeared but it will almost certainly sink. CVEs don't survive two good torpedo hits with an ammo/fuel storage explosion. So, I can add another 27 planes to my total to make it 93 for the Allies. Not too bad, over the last few days some level of parity in losses has been achieved. Of course the Allies have a lot more than me but even getting parity for Japan in such difficult circumstances is something I'm happy with.

PaxMondo · Post by **PaxMondo** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:34 am

You need some bad weather for a few days .... nice solid overcast, light rain.... [8D]

vaned74 · Post by **vaned74** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:51 am

As one who has done a lot of Downfall, late war test setups on my own on strategic bombing your best defense is actually massed flak. At night it will be brutal b.c your opponent has to fly low to get hits - in the day your flak actually spots the bombers better and while not many direct kills happen - lots of damages that either knock the bomber out for several days to a week or even force it to crash on the way home for an op loss.

Two quick places to get some more flak that lots of folks don't realize are there:

1) set Kure Naval Base Force in Hiroshima on rest/training so it will upgrade its TOE. Its late 44 TOE has 54 x 12.7 cm DP and 16 x 8 cm DP versus it's start TOE of 8 x 12.7 cm and 16 x 8 cm. Thats a gain of 46 large caliber AA guns.

2) Yokosuka Naval Base Force in Yokohama also can upgrade TOE on rest training op mode. Its late 44 TOE has a whopping 96 x 12.7 cm DP and 16 x 8 cm DP vs the same start as Kure (8 and 16 guns). Thats a gain of 88 12.7 cm DP guns.

pat.casey · Post by **pat.casey** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:39 am

ORIGINAL: vaned74

As one who has done a lot of Downfall, late war test setups on my own on strategic bombing your best defense is actually massed flak. At night it will be brutal b.c your opponent has to fly low to get hits - in the day your flak actually spots the bombers better and while not many direct kills happen - lots of damages that either knock the bomber out for several days to a week or even force it to crash on the way home for an op loss.

Two quick places to get some more flak that lots of folks don't realize are there:

1) set Kure Naval Base Force in Hiroshima on rest/training so it will upgrade its TOE. Its late 44 TOE has 54 x 12.7 cm DP and 16 x 8 cm DP versus it's start TOE of 8 x 12.7 cm and 16 x 8 cm. Thats a gain of 46 large caliber AA guns.

2) Yokosuka Naval Base Force in Yokohama also can upgrade TOE on rest training op mode. Its late 44 TOE has a whopping 96 x 12.7 cm DP and 16 x 8 cm DP vs the same start as Kure (8 and 16 guns). Thats a gain of 88 12.7 cm DP guns.

That's going to eat a lot of armaments isn't it? I haven't played a downfall scenario so I've no clue what nemo's economy looks like but I have to assume he's on a clock e.g. it probably is tolerable right now but is in the process of shutting down between resource starvation and bombing.

Captain Cruft · Post by **Captain Cruft** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:19 am

In Downfall you have a substantial armaments pool to start with. Not sure about this one though ...

A couple of things:-

Is it possible that the Betty-launched Ohka doesn't work due to the device not being available until 1/46?

I have just introduced the A7M3-J (with the "UP" cannon) into my Downfall AI game and it eats bombers alive. Or at least the 2Es. It also seems very good at running away from fighters. This is in an airgroup with > 60 experience.

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:24 pm

vaned,

Neither of those upgrades are available in this game....

Pat,
The Japanese economy is starving. There isn't enough fuel to keep the HI I have running through the end of the game. Neither are there sufficient resources. I figure I can just about keep 2,500 HI running through war's end. That's why I'm not massively bothered about the destruction of this HI. He has reduced me from some 4,600 HI to about 4,400 HI. Since I can actually only keep 2,500 HI running it really only becomes a problem for me when he reduces me below this level. That gives me some leeway and pretty much means that I just need to keep Osaka running in order to stay in the game.

Of course once he gets the 12 nukes then Osaka will be utterly torched and we'll see how I can do on just the planes etc I've managed to produce until then. That's one reason I was relaxed about all those A-bombs. Really he needs 2, maybe 3 to close Osaka totally as a HI centre. The other 12 will struggle to find any worthwhile targets. Once Osaka is closed all the rest of my industry is pretty meaningless. Right now he appears to be nerving himself up for a major daylight raid of one of the Home Island HI centres.

It does appear that strategic bombing is over-rated in the game. In real life the USAAF never managed to destroy all HI in a German city in a single day. With that said, we play the game we have. It may be worth HRing City Attacks in future games though as it just makes things very easy.

Cruft,
The Ohka issue is due to me making an error in the editor. Simple as that.

As to the A7M3-J.... I just don't see why it would work better than ordinary day fighters vs bombers? Most of the USAAF bombers have ball turrets in the bottom of the fuselage and so should eat those A7M3-Js alive.... Could you post some CRs in a war room thread re: the A7M3J? It just seems to me that it would be fought off by the massed defensive fire.

pat.casey · Post by **pat.casey** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:31 pm

ORIGINAL: Nemo121
It does appear that strategic bombing is over-rated in the game. In real life the USAAF never managed to destroy all HI in a German city in a single day. With that said, we play the game we have. It may be worth HRing City Attacks in future games though as it just makes things very easy.

I think heavy bomber loss ratios are also hugely elevated relative to history though. I think the "tlerable" loss ratio on a heavy bomber raid on a defended target was 3%. Even a debacle like Schweinfurt was, what, 13% losses?

So I think the game basically runs bombing raids in fast forward. Losses are too high, but so are effects.

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:44 pm

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sep 13, 45

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Submarine attack near Iki-shima at 102,57

Japanese Ships
xAK Gotsu Maru, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Parche

I'm in the process of upgrading most of my escorts so that leaves my shipping vulnerable right now. In another week though they should be much safer. Until then, they suck it up.

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Submarine attack near Okinoerabushima at 96,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-138

Allied Ships
xAK Great Republic, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

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ASW attack near Saishu To at 97,55

Japanese Ships
xAK Nitisan Maru
xAK Nissan Maru
E W-33

Allied Ships
SS Hammerhead, hits 6

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Sub attack near Tokara Retto at 100,62

Japanese Ships
MGB G-1005

Allied Ships
SS Spot

SS Spot cannot acquire firing solution on enemy MGB
Spot bottoming out ....
Sub escapes detection

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ASW attack near Okinoerabushima at 96,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-138, hits 3

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi
CA Wichita
DD Frankford
DD Lansdowne
DD MacDonough
DD Farragut
DD Downes
DD Maury

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ASW attack near Okinoerabushima at 96,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-138, hits 21, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Chicago II
CL Atlanta II
CL Houston II
DD Laffey II
DM Gwin II
DD Aaron Ward II
DD Beatty II
DD Barton II

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Sub attack near Sadogashima at 114,53

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-100
SC CHa-104
SC CHa-99
xAK Eiji Maru #5
xAK Nagagawa Maru
xAK Katsukawa Maru
xAKL Tensyo Maru
xAKL Saiko Maru
SC CHa-108
SC CHa-107
SC CHa-106
SC CHa-105

Allied Ships
SS Pintado, hits 5

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Night Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Overcast

Japanese aircraft
Ki-264 Angel x 8

Allied aircraft
P-61C Black Widow x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-264 Angel: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
SS Sea Leopard, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Fewer hits than normal but every bit helps.

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Night Air attack on TF, near Nago at 95,65

Weather in hex: Overcast

Japanese aircraft
G9 Marlin x 6

Allied aircraft
P-61C Black Widow x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
G9 Marlin: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Colorado
BB Maryland

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G9 Marlin launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

The night torpedo attacks really kicked into high gear tonight. First the G9Ms attacked 2 USN BBs.

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Night Air attack on TF, near Nago at 95,65

Weather in hex: Overcast

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 8
G3M3 Nell x 3
G4M2a Betty x 20

Then the Jills and Netties got involved. Unfortunately the Bettys only carried bombs so results were poor. Still, over time it'll eventually take a toll and the cost is miniscule.

Allied aircraft
P-61C Black Widow x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
G4M2a Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PF Everett
AM Effective
BB Maryland
PF Pocatello
PF Brownsville
BB Colorado

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Night Air attack on TF, near Tokunoshima at 97,65

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Japanese aircraft
G4M3a Betty x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Great Republic, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kane

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Night Air attack on Nago , at 95,65

Weather in hex: Overcast

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 3

Allied aircraft
P-61C Black Widow x 14

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Sub attack near Sadogashima at 113,53

Japanese Ships
PB Showa Maru #5
PB Shonan Maru #17
PB Shuko Maru #2
PB Tama Maru #8
PB Kyo Maru #6
PB Kure Maru #5
AO Shioya
TK Kuremente Maru
PB Takunan Maru #5
PB Takunan Maru #2
PB Takuna Maru #7
PB Takuna Maru #6

Allied Ships
SS Mero

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Sub attack near Tokunoshima at 97,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-149

Allied Ships
DD Kane

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Submarine attack near Nago at 95,65

Japanese Ships
SS Ha-D-137, hits 27, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Colorado
CL Raleigh
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Phelps
DD Selfridge
DD Cassin
DD Flusser

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Submarine attack near Torishima at 108,66

Japanese Ships
DD Hibiki
DD Namikaze
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Shiokaze
DD Sawakaze

Allied Ships
SS Ling, hits 19, and is sunk

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Submarine attack near Koshiki-jima Retto at 101,60

Japanese Ships
LB-517, Shell hits 2, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

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Sub attack near Hirosaki/Aomori at 117,53

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-105, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
SC CHa-99
xAK Eiji Maru #5
xAK Nagagawa Maru
xAK Katsukawa Maru
xAKL Tensyo Maru
xAKL Saiko Maru
SC CHa-107
SC CHa-106
SC CHa-104
SC CHa-103

Allied Ships
SS Macabi, hits 1

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 15

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Canton , at 77,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 24

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 78
Ki-100-I Tony x 16

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 6 destroyed

Overall about 50 Japanese fighters were downed in return for about 30 USAAF ones. Then 500 B-29s came in to bomb the airfield and another 70 planes were destroyed on the ground. On the plus side every day is hugely helpful in building the defences of Japan. The AAA, CD gun, Artillery and Armour redeployments are now done. Next will be infantry redeployments.

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 72
Ki-100-I Tony x 14

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 7 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 43
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 11 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

I think fatigue was really beginning to take a toll by this stage.

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 7
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 15

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Iwo-jima at 108,77

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 43,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-74-I Patsy x 6

Ah, the Patsys enter action over Okinawa.

Allied aircraft
F4U-4 Corsair x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-74-I Patsy: 3 destroyed

Only one broke through but wasted itself trying to hit a PT boat.

Allied Ships
PT-259

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Iriomote at 89,65

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Toka x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 17
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Toka: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis
CA New Orleans

Well, it seems that when he chooses to sweep he has to reduce his LRCAP.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hengchun at 85,68

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
SC PC-804
SC PC-805

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hengchun at 85,68

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 39,750 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 3 destroyed

Again, they are trying to hit ships which are too small and manoeuvrable.

Allied Ships
SC PC-804
SC PC-805

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Morning Air attack on Soc Trang , at 58,73

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 15

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 9

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 20

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 64
B-25J11 Mitchell x 113
P-47N Thunderbolt x 17
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 57

Allied aircraft losses
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 13
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 12

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 11
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 3
PV-2 Harpoon x 7

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Runway hits 14

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 13
F6F-5 Hellcat x 6
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on Canton , at 77,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 2

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Canton , at 77,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 2

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 21

No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 26

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 310
B-29B Superfort x 66

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2e Betty: 18 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-84b Frank: 7 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

75 planes got torched on the ground. As you can see though, they are all second-line plane types. I amn't about to waste first-line airframes outside of the Home Islands.

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 39
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 129

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Morning Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 74
B-29B Superfort x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84b Frank: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 77

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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 62

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on 249th Infantry Regiment, at 89,65 (Iriomote)

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
A-26C Invader x 161
P-47N Thunderbolt x 17
P-51H Mustang x 46

Allied aircraft losses
A-26C Invader: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 46th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 91,66 (Miyako-jima)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 144

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
493 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Also attacking 17th Ind.Mixed Bde /2 ...
Also attacking 46th Ind.Mixed Bde /13 ...
Also attacking 17th Ind.Mixed Bde /2 ...
Also attacking 46th Ind.Mixed Bde /13 ...
Also attacking 17th Ind.Mixed Bde /2 ...
Also attacking 46th Ind.Mixed Bde /13 ...
Also attacking 17th Ind.Mixed Bde /2 ...
Also attacking 46th Ind.Mixed Bde /13 ...
Also attacking 17th Ind.Mixed Bde /2 ...
Also attacking 46th Ind.Mixed Bde /13 ...
Also attacking 17th Ind.Mixed Bde /2 ...

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Morning Air attack on 46th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 91,66 (Miyako-jima)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 23

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 46th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 91,66 (Miyako-jima)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 46th Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 91,66 (Miyako-jima)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 13

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Iriomote at 89,65

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 11
F6F-5 Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 destroyed

Another conventional attack. All 5 Peggys made attack runs but unfortunately there were no hits.

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
DD Gleaves

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Afternoon Air attack on Shanghai , at 92,55

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
P-51H Mustang x 59

No Allied losses

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Nago at 95,65

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 200 NM, estimated altitude 42,370 feet.
Estimated time to target is 55 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-74-I Patsy x 3

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-74-I Patsy: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Colorado, Kamikaze hits 2

Well, the Patsys got through. One 20mm AAA mount got destroyed while the other Patsy wasted itself on the deck armour. Those 500 Kg bombs don't have the power to punch through the deck armour.

Still, when I am making 192 per month slight attritional losses like this will add up.

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-74-I Patsy flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Saishu To at 98,55

Japanese Ships
TK Seishin Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
SC Ch 10

Allied Ships
SS Guitarro

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Sub attack near Torishima at 108,66

Japanese Ships
DD Nara, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Sakawa
DD Tochi
DD Hatsuume
DD Sumire
DD Nire
DD Yanagi
DD Sugi
DD Harukaze
DD Sakaki
DD Azura
DD Wakazakura

Allied Ships
SS Cod, hits 11

A pity. I was aiming for a mid-ocean intercept of a huge convoy he had been bringing in from PH. It was covered by airpower etc ( I know since my bombers wouldn't fly despite being in range ) but I thought I might be able to get away with a mid-ocean surface intercept. The SS Cod has ruined that though.

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ASW attack near Koshiki-jima Retto at 101,60

Japanese Ships
LB-1206
LB-235
LB-157
LB-152
MGB G-223

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

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Sub attack near Iki-shima at 102,56

Japanese Ships
xAK Nitiryu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Nitiren Maru
xAK Seian Maru
E W-30

Allied Ships
SS Plaice

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Ground combat at Iriomote (89,65)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4019 troops, 193 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 178

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 98

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 98 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Iriomote !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(+), disruption(-)

Assaulting units:
32nd Infantry Div /15

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Ground combat at Miyako-jima (91,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1583 troops, 12 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 71

Defending force 236 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 27

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 27 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Miyako-jima !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
156 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
XIV Corps Combat Engr Rgt /5

Defending units:
46th Ind.Mixed Bde /13

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Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Miyako-jima by attrition!!!

vaned74 · Post by **vaned74** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:07 pm

Actually those base TOE upgrades should be available unless someone went in and deliberately turned them off in the scenario editor. In the official downfall scenario it looks to me like they are available. The units simply have to be put to rest/training mode and their TOE should upgrade within a few turns.

Nemo121 · Post by **Nemo121** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:18 pm

As far as I am aware you don't need to go into REST/Training mode to upgrade TO&Es.

I've had many units upgrade their TO&Es while they are in combat mode etc.

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