How to get insanely rich (exploit)

[Nibelung44]

Hi,

I don't like exploits, so I hope this one can be fixed.

Build a station in another's empire system, like an unarmed cheap monitoring station. Now check its worth in the diplomatic interface. It is in the 300.000 credits range!!

[alexalexuk]

heh, interesting one

that would cause the AI to wardec you or seriously piss them off, but i guess there would be a small amount of time where you could sell this back to the AI..

hardone to fix

[adecoy95]

i once sold a world for 25 million, it was a 65% ice world with 60 million citizens on it 

[caerr]

I think those numbers need to be seriously toned down, at least for the player trading them. Puny worlds and mining stations shouldn't be worth much more than the cost to build them. The exceptions would be the ones sitting on super rare resources or ruins.

[alexalexuk]

yes, but i think its used for the AI how to measure how important something is, and thats currently done via money...there might need to be a small overhaul to fix that

[forsaken1111]

Even better!

Step 1: Build mining station around world in enemy system.
Step 2: Sell mining station to enemy.
Step 3: Colonize that world!
Step 4: Sell the colony to the enemy.

Repeat for each world in enemy systems.

[caerr]

ORIGINAL: alexalexuk

yes, but i think its used for the AI how to measure how important something is, and thats currently done via money...there might need to be a small overhaul to fix that

That's why I think it's enough to just tone down the numbers for the human player. So if I want to trade a mining station the the AI I would get maybe 10k, where as if I want to buy one from the AI it would still cost me a million or so.

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: alexalexuk

heh, interesting one

that would cause the AI to wardec you or seriously piss them off, but i guess there would be a small amount of time where you could sell this back to the AI..

hardone to fix

Actually, what usually happens is that they first demand you give it to them, you say no, then you sell it to them...at less than the labeled cost and you end up increasing reputation and diplomacy level from the deal. It is an exploit for sure.

A quick fix to this would be to have the AI empires simply attack your constructor if it enters there territory...no you won't be able to build a station there because your construction ship would go boom.

[the1sean]

yeah, it would be nice if this game had a territory/bounday effect like the CIV series where players cant colonize or build new bases in systems owned/colonized by other empires without immediately causing major diplomatic damage/causus-beli.

[forsaken1111]

ORIGINAL: the1sean

yeah, it would be nice if this game had a territory/bounday effect like the CIV series where players cant colonize or build new bases in systems owned/colonized by other empires without immediately causing major diplomatic damage/causus-beli.

That would be terrible.

[Shark7]

Diplomacy could be expanded to make such agreements.

I want to build a Resort Base at Planet X in your territory. If you allow me to build it, you get 20% of the profits.

etc

[DasTactic]

ORIGINAL: the1sean

yeah, it would be nice if this game had a territory/bounday effect like the CIV series where players cant colonize or build new bases in systems owned/colonized by other empires without immediately causing major diplomatic damage/causus-beli.

This would be good.

If you have ordered a constructor/colony ship to a system that has a mining station it could trigger a minor incident where a pop-up appears requesting confirmation. If you follow through it could impact your rep and the relationship with the other player.

If you have ordered a constructor/colony ship to a system that has been colonised by another player it could spark a major incident where a pop-up appears again but this time the results are more dire. Eg. Possible trade sanctions or war, big hit to reputation, damage relationship with all races friendly to the other player, etc.

[the1sean]

ORIGINAL: the1sean

yeah, it would be nice if this game had a territory/bounday effect like the CIV series where players cant colonize or build new bases in systems owned/colonized by other empires without immediately causing major diplomatic damage/causus-beli.

ORIGINAL: forsaken1111

That would be terrible.

Why? Your comment is neither constructive nor informative...

ORIGINAL: Das123

This would be good.

If you have ordered a constructor/colony ship to a system that has a mining station it could trigger a minor incident where a pop-up appears requesting confirmation. If you follow through it could impact your rep and the relationship with the other player.

If you have ordered a constructor/colony ship to a system that has been colonised by another player it could spark a major incident where a pop-up appears again but this time the results are more dire. Eg. Possible trade sanctions or war, big hit to reputation, damage relationship with all races friendly to the other player, etc.

The civ series and EU series all contain strong border themes, and they bring a lot of the meaning into the conflict of the games. Right of passage agreements and diplomatic wrangling over resources would naturally extend the depth of this game. Almost all modern and ancient wars were rooted in resource control and exploitation.

[Nibelung44]

My monitoring station in the Dayhut system is now worth 3.000.000 credits. That's totally not in proportion of their empire by the way, not to speak of the absolute insane cost even for a big empire.

I guess that I could ask them all their money, all their techs, that they declare war to who I want, plus they will kiss my a*** and become my slave if I sell it to them [:-]

(I'm not selling it or if I do, it will be for at most 100k)

[forsaken1111]

ORIGINAL: the1sean

Why? Your comment is neither constructive nor informative...

I just don't think a territory/border system is the answer. One thing I like about DW is how messy it gets. Borders give you a free buffer zone around your empire that you couldn't possibly enforce normally with your fleet. I'd much prefer a way to claim planets and systems without planting colonies rather than some magical political border that springs up around you and prevents enemies from taking your stuff.

[elmo3]

ORIGINAL: the1sean

yeah, it would be nice if this game had a territory/bounday effect like the CIV series where players cant colonize or build new bases in systems owned/colonized by other empires without immediately causing major diplomatic damage/causus-beli.

Galactic Civilizations has this now. I hope DW will not go that route. The current system feels much more "realistic" to me. If you want planets then colonize them and defend them!

[forsaken1111]

I don't think Galactic Civilizations (1 or 2) should be used as a model for any game. I've played them both and dislike them thoroughly.

[Nibelung44]

+1

[the1sean]

ORIGINAL: forsaken1111
I just don't think a territory/border system is the answer. One thing I like about DW is how messy it gets. Borders give you a free buffer zone around your empire that you couldn't possibly enforce normally with your fleet. I'd much prefer a way to claim planets and systems without planting colonies rather than some magical political border that springs up around you and prevents enemies from taking your stuff.

No, I agree that some magical flag-colored line is not the answer. I just think that once a player has colonized a system that there should be more ramifications if another empire infringes on that system.

If a starbase was there before the system was colonized, and gives access to resources, I can see its worth in trade. BUT, if a starbase is built after said system is colonized by another empire, then I think it should be seen as a diplomatic affront, and the base shouldnt be worth much at all in trade. Overall, I think that starbases are overvalued in trade, and techs are undervalued.

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: the1sean
If a starbase was there before the system was colonized, and gives access to resources, I can see its worth in trade. BUT, if a starbase is built after said system is colonized by another empire, then I think it should be seen as a diplomatic affront, and the base shouldnt be worth much at all in trade. Overall, I think that starbases are overvalued in trade, and techs are undervalued.

This seems like a good suggestion.

Regards,

- Erik