Stacking in a Hex anomally??

Capt Cliff · Post by **Capt Cliff** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:05 am

I can get 3 division into a hex, per the rules and the game lets me. Why can't I get 4 brigades to stack in a single hex? The 4 Hungraian brigades will not stack together. Ummm ... am I missing something? 3 division equals 9 regements, so why don't 4 brigades stack?

FredSanford3 · Post by **FredSanford3** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:08 am

It's 3 units of any size

Capt Cliff · Post by **Capt Cliff** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:21 pm

ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz

It's 3 units of any size

Huh? [X(]

pompack · Post by **pompack** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:39 pm

ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff

ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz

It's 3 units of any size

Huh? [X(]

The rule is three units of any size.

This is not even the tenth thread on this subject. Not gonna change.

Anyway if you look at the Russian aspect, this is a great rule because otherwise the "stacking point limit" would have to change with time as doctrine and OOB changes; this is a rather elegant solution to that problem. I can accept a little distortion in the stacking of a few of the units; the game is already quite complex enough for me [:)].

Redmarkus5 · Post by **Redmarkus5** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:41 pm

Yep. And you can't stack 3 combat units in a hex if there's a rail repair unit there already, nor can you repair a rail line in a hex with 3 combat units if you foolishly used up their MP.

Even an HQ unit takes up as much stacking space as a full Soviet Infantry or Tank Corps.

Redmarkus5 · Post by **Redmarkus5** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:42 pm

The limit should be "3 combat units". Anything else shouldn't count towards stacking. Simple. Elegant.

FredSanford3 · Post by **FredSanford3** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:13 pm

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4

The limit should be "3 combat units". Anything else shouldn't count towards stacking. Simple. Elegant.

I agree. The rationale I heard on the board from testers is that the stacking limit is based upon historical unit frontages. If so, what difference does the presense of an HQ or construction uinit make? IMO, this rule just makes it more difficult to protect HQ's.

usecase · Post by **usecase** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:22 pm

I've added this to my list of things that I'd like to have, but it's not the end of the world. That's reserved for the fact that you can select an automated rail repair unit. I may have mentioned this before

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Ordinarily, I'm the most placid of folks, ask anyone. however, this one feature drives me demented. It may not matter to all the valiant PBEMers, where the Soviet players still seem to be fleeing across the steppes, but once you start to crush the Wehrmacht beneath your booted heel, you'll know. And suffer. Oh yes.

tancred41 · Post by **tancred41** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:31 pm

The Soviet ability to create corps later on in the war does mitigate this somewhat.

Capt Cliff · Post by **Capt Cliff** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:46 pm

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4

The limit should be "3 combat units". Anything else shouldn't count towards stacking. Simple. Elegant.

Elegant??!! [&:] Give me a break ... with 3 division in a hex you have 9 regements ... ok if one divisions regements each is in reserve then it's a 6 regement front over 10 miles. Now 3 brigades over 10 miles??!!! Perhaps 6 brigades or 3 divisions per hex or 2 divisions with 2 brigades ... it seems to me a bit of a rationalization to apply it to all units. Oh, and HQ's should not count toward stacking. What are they a company size unit!!??

Great_Ajax · Post by **Great_Ajax** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:26 pm

HQs include all the logistical and support "ass and trash" units and can number easily over 10,000 men.

Trey

ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4

The limit should be "3 combat units". Anything else shouldn't count towards stacking. Simple. Elegant.

Elegant??!! [&:] Give me a break ... with 3 division in a hex you have 9 regements ... ok if one divisions regements each is in reserve then it's a 6 regement front over 10 miles. Now 3 brigades over 10 miles??!!! Perhaps 6 brigades or 3 divisions per hex or 2 divisions with 2 brigades ... it seems to me a bit of a rationalization to apply it to all units. Oh, and HQ's should not count toward stacking. What are they a company size unit!!??

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:21 pm

 Care to know what frontage and how big an area VII Corp had in the 1st Gulf War?

You would be hard pressed just to get all of the 2nd Armored Cavalry into a 10 mile frontage area. Heck it was as far as the eye could see just M1a1, Bradleys, artillery, and Hemmits. And we only had 16,000 assigned during the GW1. Dragoon battle group. Baby Div led by a bird Colonel. lol

Zovs · Post by **Zovs** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:54 pm

2nd ACR, I was in the 3rd ACR "Brave Rifles:Blood & Steel!"

I was transferred to the 8th ID with the 4/34 Armor and we shipped out with elements of the 3rd AD when we went to 1GW.

Lima Lima Mike Foxtrot and if you ain't Cav you ain't $h1t

Great_Ajax · Post by **Great_Ajax** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:53 am

I earned my spurs with 1st Armored and I'm now with the 45th Infantry Brigade

Trey

ORIGINAL: dlazov66

2nd ACR, I was in the 3rd ACR "Brave Rifles:Blood & Steel!"

I was transferred to the 8th ID with the 4/34 Armor and we shipped out with elements of the 3rd AD when we went to 1GW.

Lima Lima Mike Foxtrot and if you ain't Cav you ain't $h1t

CarnageINC · Post by **CarnageINC** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:53 am

ORIGINAL: dlazov66

2nd ACR, I was in the 3rd ACR "Brave Rifles:Blood & Steel!"

I was transferred to the 8th ID with the 4/34 Armor and we shipped out with elements of the 3rd AD when we went to 1GW.

Lima Lima Mike Foxtrot and if you ain't Cav you ain't $h1t

ROFLMAO! [8|]

3rd ACR was nicely tucked in between 1st Armored and good ole 24th ID. Someone had to guide you guys in so you wouldn't get lost [:D]

Tankers is what makes the Cav look so good!

2ndACR · Post by **2ndACR** » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:47 am

Ah, feels like old home week.

Surprised you all did not recognize my avatar. Unit crest of 2ndACR. Toujours Pret!!

I was actually in Eagle 2/2........Capt McMaster's troop at 73 Easting. That was a fight. He went on to command 3rd ACR.

I got out in 1993......went back into TX Guard in 2004 when they mobilized. Deployed to OIF3 in 05.

The good old days, 8th ID, 2ndACR still a Cav Regiment and not a Stryker unit. Able to deploy 11 combat div to the Gulf and still have 7 more to keep everything peaceful elsewhere. I don't think even think there are 8 full div left in the army. Sad Sad

morganbj · Post by **morganbj** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:46 pm

I was in the 1/2 Cav in Germany back in the early 70's. Best years of my life, even though I spent them on the border, at Graf, Hohenfels, CPXs, TEWTs, etc.

Mass quantities of German beer. Still carrying some of it around ... around my waist, that is.

Redmarkus5 · Post by **Redmarkus5** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:28 pm

ORIGINAL: el hefe

HQs include all the logistical and support "ass and trash" units and can number easily over 10,000 men.

Trey

ORIGINAL: Capt Cliff

ORIGINAL: redmarkus4

The limit should be "3 combat units". Anything else shouldn't count towards stacking. Simple. Elegant.

Elegant??!! [&:] Give me a break ... with 3 division in a hex you have 9 regements ... ok if one divisions regements each is in reserve then it's a 6 regement front over 10 miles. Now 3 brigades over 10 miles??!!! Perhaps 6 brigades or 3 divisions per hex or 2 divisions with 2 brigades ... it seems to me a bit of a rationalization to apply it to all units. Oh, and HQ's should not count toward stacking. What are they a company size unit!!??

True, but in real life those 10k men are spread out all over the rear areas. They don't 'stack' with the combat troops as such. And I said "Elegant

". You left out the

For the guys making comparisons with the Gulf, there are two factors I think you need to consider:

1. The US military has a vastly higher ratio of support to combat personnel than either the Axis or the Soviets WW2 armies ever did - it's something like 80/20 as opposed to 20/80.

2. In addition to the logistics tail, a modern 'infantry' division is fully mechanised and occupies a great deal more real estate than divisional sized infantry units once did. Something like the equivalent of 14 WW2 divisions engaged at Waterloo on a front of about 2 miles...

Smirfy · Post by **Smirfy** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:20 pm

I'm with Red on this a hex is around 70 square miles, are people trying to say and you could not fit airbases and HQ's in an area 70 square miles.

If you are struggling with this go to your own district zoom in on Google maps and it will make things simple to understand. Frontage is different than area. Only Combat units should count against stacking

amatteucci · Post by **amatteucci** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:06 pm

Current stacking rules works, if we consider that they have to reflect actual doctrine and practice.
I myself posted examples in different threads here.

I'm also OK with HQs being subject to stacking restrictions. Again, it's a question of design for effect.

TOAW might have better stacking rules, if one considers simply how many people and stuff you can put into a given area, but it would be less realistic that the current three-units-fits-all system if applied to WitE.

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