Beta 1.5.0.2 Initial Passenger Ship Designs

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Many are too big to be built until a construction level is researched.

Akdarian: 249
Atuuk: 213
Boskara: 213
Dhayut: 230
Gizurean: 229
Haakonish: 240
Human: 240
Ikkuro: 240
Ketarov: 240
Kiadian: 249
Mortalen: 213
Naxillian: 220
Quameno: 238
Securan: 213
Shandar: 220
Sluken: 238
Teekan: 213
Ugnari: 213
Wekkarus: 229
Zenox: 238

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this happens only to the ikkuro passenger ship? i wonder what makes it this big

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Lotsa passenger compartments.

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Actually it seems all Passenger Ship designs have 10 Passenger Compartments.

And many Races start with a design > 230.

Akdarian: 249
Atuuk: 213
Boskara: 213
Dhayut: 230
Gizurean: 229
Haakonish: 240
Human: 240
Ikkuro: 240
Ketarov: 240
Kiadian: 249
Mortalen: 213
Naxillian: 220
Quameno: 238
Securan: 213
Shandar: 220
Sluken: 238
Teekan: 213
Ugnari: 213
Wekkarus: 229
Zenox: 238

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well, that is certainly not ok but AI designs are pretty inflexible in many situations so I'm not very surprised by this
i suppose if you remove some of them to bring the size to what is currently supported will work but again this should be fixed to avoid such surprises

[BigWolfChris]

Wow, TEN Passenger Compartments???

I usually have a maximum of 4
Now, mind you, who is wrong, me or the AI? lol

[sbach2o]

ORIGINAL: BigWolf

Wow, TEN Passenger Compartments???

I usually have a maximum of 4
Now, mind you, who is wrong, me or the AI? lol

Both. Passenger ships should have one passenger compartment. No, half of one, one-fifth...

Jesting aside: I was seriously considering to 'cripple' my designs such. I want my passenger ships to ship tourists to resort bases and for this only a fraction of a passenger compartment is needed. Every tourist shipment has at most 20K passengers.

About the migration stuff I have very mixed feelings. When I colonize a planet with Quameno I'd like to stay it Quameno. But in DW (all versions):

* The spread of growth rates between races is far too large. This imbalance is compounded by the fact that, now that happiness also factors into growth rate, two of the three fastest growing races also have among the highest happiness bonuses. Securan and Atuuk tend to sweep away everything else, be it in their own empire or the neighbors.
* Migrants go everywhere. They don't stick to their fellows, they don't stick to their native terrain or similar environments. And the growth bonus for native tarrain isn't nearly enough to let races like Quameno, Ackdarian, Wekkarus (which is all the native ocean dwellers) keep up with most other races in their own environment.

Well, this is why I think it *may* be better to tone migration down by custom passenger transports. I didn't try this idea in practice yet, I have to admit. Growth in itself is a good thing, or it should be (another topic: why must you put taxation on manual in the latest DW versions?). But when Atuuk take over the Quameno colony I created from a derelict colony ship before it has a chance to grow to a state to produce Quameno more colony ships, something is wrong. Well, I can still get rid of excess Atuuk by building their colonizers for scrap for a while...

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Still present in latest Beta, wondering if this is intentional to limit early pop. movement in some AI races?

[BigWolfChris]

I think only the capacities were altered in the new beta, so the designs will still be identical
Of course, since I custom design my own (fastest ships in the fleet as well) it sort of gives quite the advantage with population spread

[elliotg]

Thanks for noting this guys. This is fixed in a new update due out soon.

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yeeeeey [&o]

[Pipewrench]

just found out that my sluken resupply ship's initial design is way to big for the initial starting tech,

this might be wad or an oversight

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the resupply ship is wad as it can be built at any size....it's a base and constructed at a colony