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To date Casualties Report

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I feel I'm about 2 weeks behind schedule with no way to make up this time. I'm considering grouping all my Panzer Groups together to achieve a massive breakout in a area. I'm considering either north end round to the boarder with Finland or a massive blitz assault aimed at taking the Crimean and Stalingrad with Baku as next years objective. Any thought on this from anyone? Should I just settle down and wait a bit to see what develops?

On to the AAR, I'm stream lining my AAR due to time constraints. Your right Miller41 I don't have enough time for 2 AAR done at peak performance for my liking. This will be my main AAR with only a minor change to it. I'm getting rid of the 9th Panzer division following. It takes up a lot more time tracking down what a division is doing and such.

Here is the casualties so far in the war. I feel that Redmarkus is slowly feeding me units to slow me down since my early debocale with closing up the pockets the first few weeks.

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Front line to date

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Here is a little side line project I'm doing. I'm following the front every month for 4-6 month periods. This is an accurate front-line trace of the current situation. See how the Romanians are lagging behind and how Red's southern close defense near Kiev is also wasting my time. This is why 2nd Armee is being sent south to help the Romanians out.

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FIN SITREP

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Red is delaying me good with his re enforcement of the little pocket in Finland with adding a Rifle Brigade. I also got off to a poor start at the boarder. That does not concern me much since I'm not going to press forward. If he will keep any units at my chosen front line then that will be one less unit for me to worry about around Leningrad.

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Pskov Front

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Here is probably the only place I'm about 1 week behind schedule. I'm refueling 1 panzer corps to be ready for any opportunity to deep strike should it arise. I'm going to try and pocket Pskov, I'm curious if Red will let me? 50th Corps will move north to protect the flank until I can give it more support after Pskov.

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Smolensk Front

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This is my biggest disappointment so far in the war. I so wanted to make the Dnepr before it was heavily re-enforce. Same goes with the land bridge. Now I have to plow through the area to reach better offensive ground. I've done a through recon of his rear areas and have found little to see that Red has a reserve to throw at any weak spots I may make. He is got deep defense for the land bridge as I suspected he would, I am surprised on how shallow his Dnepr defense is, hopefully it will stay that way for just a little bit longer.

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Kiev Front

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This is were I'm doing the most damage to his units by pocketing fair size groups. His lack of pulling back far is what gets me thinking he's feeding units to slow me down. I'm about 1 week behind where I would like to be here. It will be interesting to see if he pulls back his rifle units this time. Recon shows no real build up at Kiev but I'm sure this will become a priority area ASAP.

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Odessa Front

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After consideration, this front is on schedule. Their is nothing to do but trudge on with my foot soldiers. 2nd Armee is to be a big boost to the area. Hopefully it will spread him thin around the Crimean so I have a chance at getting it early. Hes got a nice defensive line against a long river he can fall back to with his center army's.

I detect no reserves behind that defensive line but that is not to be expected with the amount of space he has to play with. This is one of the reasons I'm considering a 4 Panzer Group push to shatter his southern front and go for broke with my Baku idea. I'm not convinced a good human player can loose Leningrad, their just seems like there is too many troops and poor ground for any good offensive opportunities to arise.

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RE: Odessa Front

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Carnage: I really enjoyed your WITP AAR, and this one looks like it will be same quality! Thanks! The maps are REALLY good.
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Actually, you are not as far behind as you think. You are slightly behind in the North, behind a bit in the Center and ahead in the South. Consider Odessa did not even come under siege until August and did not fall until October I think. The Uman pocket was not until August either and you already have control of that area.

A 4 panzer army thrust someplace.. wow. Interesting concept, but I think it has far more draw backs than pluses. Consider some of the following issues:

Logistics: Lets say they go nuts and advance like crazy. They will get so far from the rail heads, they will be screwed.

Can you pick someplace that he would stay and fight? Also take into consideration with the current city fighting vs motorized/mechanized stuff that your armor will have a hard time cracking any well defended cities. You would have to cut them off and starve them out.

Even if you took a huge chunk of territory like that, would you be able to hold it through the winter months? The answer is likely no.

With all your eggs in one sector of the front, the Soviets would be tempted to take risks and try to stop your other advances since they know it is extremely difficult to pull off encirclements without motorized units, especially in the more rough terrain up north. Any Soviet is lying if they don't tell you the first thing they check for is where the Axis armor is. They are scared of your armor and they should be. Having your armor in several positions across the front makes him worry about encirclements in a lot of places, which helps you.

Now, as far as a overall campaign goal, that is tough since you should have probably thought of that before you started your attack.. :) However..

First off, any plan you may have must also include the destruction of as many Soviet units as possible with higher priority given to his more mobile units, be the motorized stuff or cav. The more you kill now, especially cav, the better off you will be. The second part of any plan must be concerned with preservation of your force. The Russians can't win if your army stays in fairly good shape. After that, setting campaign goals and then working towards them is good; making adjustments as the situation demands. You have already pretty much decided against a campaign against Leningrad, which is certainly an option and given how things are now with the game, probably a good idea. Leningrad is one of those objectives that you have to set even before the first tank crosses the border and its too late for that. Since you have decided not to press Leningrad, you now have to figure out where you will stop advancing in that area and just how many troops you are going to send packing elsewhere. I would also look to make AGN's rail repair unit available for wherever you make your main effort in order to try to advance your rail head that much faster. It is not as efficient as if they all worked independently of each other, but you can advance one line faster that way.

While I think Second Army will help down south, it will not really help press their speed of advance because it is infantry and infantry are going to move only so fast. If you are looking to blitz the Crimea (again, may be too late, but maybe not), then you need some armor in the area. It would not take a lot (probably 1 panzer corps of 3 units) but they need to move down there stat and get out ahead of the infantry so it can advance at a higher rate. You won't do much of anything until the infantry gets to a line to break it in most cases. I don't think any serious attempt to crack the Crimea can be made until your infantry shows up and that is gonna take a bit.

Something to keep handy as well is something I found out about while discussing the weather zones, etc and that is there is a good amount of hexes down south that while they have blizzard conditions, the Axis do not suffer under the special 1941 blizzard rules. Not saying you can go nuts down here like its clear or snow, but you won't be a weakling either and may well surprise a Soviet expecting the Axis to curl up in the fetal position because of the blizzard. The big thing to set this up is rail heads have to be well advanced and that appears to be very, very tough in the south, but who knows.. :)

Sorry for the book, but this is a great looking AAR and you did ask for opinions.. [:D]

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RE: Odessa Front

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ORIGINAL: Klydon

Actually, you are not as far behind as you think. You are slightly behind in the North, behind a bit in the Center and ahead in the South. Consider Odessa did not even come under siege until August and did not fall until October I think. The Uman pocket was not until August either and you already have control of that area.
That good to hear, since this is my first game vs human and seeing how others are doing I have been feeling some personal heat for the minor mistakes I've made [:'(]
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A 4 panzer army thrust someplace.. wow. Interesting concept, but I think it has far more draw backs than pluses. Consider some of the following issues:

Logistics: Lets say they go nuts and advance like crazy. They will get so far from the rail heads, they will be screwed.

Can you pick someplace that he would stay and fight? Also take into consideration with the current city fighting vs motorized/mechanized stuff that your armor will have a hard time cracking any well defended cities. You would have to cut them off and starve them out.

Even if you took a huge chunk of territory like that, would you be able to hold it through the winter months? The answer is likely no.

With all your eggs in one sector of the front, the Soviets would be tempted to take risks and try to stop your other advances since they know it is extremely difficult to pull off encirclements without motorized units, especially in the more rough terrain up north. Any Soviet is lying if they don't tell you the first thing they check for is where the Axis armor is. They are scared of your armor and they should be. Having your armor in several positions across the front makes him worry about encirclements in a lot of places, which helps you.

This is good input. I do think that I will wait awhile before my massive panzer fist comes together, possibly in 42. I suspect once all my armor disappears he will think their withdrawn for the winter. The new summer would be the best time for this kind of stunt. That way the rail lines will have caught up to help the beginning. I could always re-rail some of them to another front once their main purpose has been fulfilled.
ORIGINAL: Klydon
Now, as far as a overall campaign goal, that is tough since you should have probably thought of that before you started your attack.. :) However..

I got to excited to start! LOL [:D]
ORIGINAL: Klydon
First off, any plan you may have must also include the destruction of as many Soviet units as possible with higher priority given to his more mobile units, be the motorized stuff or cav. The more you kill now, especially cav, the better off you will be. The second part of any plan must be concerned with preservation of your force. The Russians can't win if your army stays in fairly good shape. After that, setting campaign goals and then working towards them is good; making adjustments as the situation demands. You have already pretty much decided against a campaign against Leningrad, which is certainly an option and given how things are now with the game, probably a good idea. Leningrad is one of those objectives that you have to set even before the first tank crosses the border and its too late for that. Since you have decided not to press Leningrad, you now have to figure out where you will stop advancing in that area and just how many troops you are going to send packing elsewhere. I would also look to make AGN's rail repair unit available for wherever you make your main effort in order to try to advance your rail head that much faster. It is not as efficient as if they all worked independently of each other, but you can advance one line faster that way.

While I think Second Army will help down south, it will not really help press their speed of advance because it is infantry and infantry are going to move only so fast. If you are looking to blitz the Crimea (again, may be too late, but maybe not), then you need some armor in the area. It would not take a lot (probably 1 panzer corps of 3 units) but they need to move down there stat and get out ahead of the infantry so it can advance at a higher rate. You won't do much of anything until the infantry gets to a line to break it in most cases. I don't think any serious attempt to crack the Crimea can be made until your infantry shows up and that is gonna take a bit.

Something to keep handy as well is something I found out about while discussing the weather zones, etc and that is there is a good amount of hexes down south that while they have blizzard conditions, the Axis do not suffer under the special 1941 blizzard rules. Not saying you can go nuts down here like its clear or snow, but you won't be a weakling either and may well surprise a Soviet expecting the Axis to curl up in the fetal position because of the blizzard. The big thing to set this up is rail heads have to be well advanced and that appears to be very, very tough in the south, but who knows.. :)

Sorry for the book, but this is a great looking AAR and you did ask for opinions.. [:D]

No problem for the 'book' Klydon. It was all good input and such information helps one keep focused on objectives not just pushing counters around. The blizzard is something I'm keeping a close eye one in other human v human AAR's. After the initial shell shock the AI gave me the thought of a person really gives me pause to whats going to happen.

Thanks for taking interest...same to you Q-Ball and hope you will continue to enjoy the AAR.
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RE: Odessa Front

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I'm not sure where the idea of a non-blizzard area in the south has come from. When using random weather, the south is likely to have more snow turns (instead of blizzard) during the winter, but if the weather zone is blizzard it has all the same first winter rules as the other weather zones.
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At the Krim the blizzards will start 1 month later (under "normal" weather) if I have read the weather map correctly but it will have blizzards as well.

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Going by rule 22.3 unless I am mis-reading the coordinates. Y<95 is the hex row two hexes north of the south weather line. Way I read this is anything south of hex row Y<95 may suffer blizzard, but it won't have the special Axis penalties associated with it for the 1941 winter.

22.3. FIRST WINTER RULE
The following rules impact the Axis player in the section of the map area delineated by coordinates X>72 or X>54 AND Y<95 during Blizzard turns in any scenario that includes the months of December 1941 through February 1942. With the exception of the supply modifier (22.3.4) Finnish units as well as all Axis Ski and Mountain units of any nationality are not affected by any first winter rules.

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Those last two coordinates are there to keep the blizzard out of most of Romania, it should have no effect on the rest of the map, as the rest of the map is in the normal X>72 range.
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Interesting placement of 2nd Army. That is an interesting decision the Axis player has to make early: What to do with that asset?

It seems like most players end up putting it somewhere in between AGS and AGN. But I can see needing it in the South as well.

What do most do with 2nd Army?
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Its turn 6 and here is the sitrep. Q-Ball I plan on using the 2nd Armee for a big push into a fortified Crimean penisula. The use of the 2nd Armee there might cause a strain on AGC and the rest of AGS for front coverage. I'm looking forward to a possible push toward Baku just to try out something different. Big A was thinking it might be possible so I figured what the hell [X(]

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I have a major breakthrough in this area, it might take a turn or two to scoop up loose units but I don't see any Soviet reserves by my recon. He might push units south from Leningrad but that's okay because I may have the opportunity to pocket them too. [&:] I don't think Comrade Red will make the same mistake he did at Pskov and stack them 3 high with out any thing behind them.

The refueling definitely helped pocketing this group so I feel it was worth the expenditure in supply and trucks.

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Another break through in this area, almost pocketed 2 groups. The choke point I created and traffic jams should slow most of the semi-pocketed units down. I might use 2nd Pz Grp to swing around Smolensk when I'm closer and try and break the front at the Dnepr. I think Red will move some more assets from the southern portion of the front to the north where the land bridge is at to thicken up his defense.

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Kiev Front

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I think this is Reds weak point in his entire defensive line. He has lost a lot of armor in this region, he's using them like they were front line rifle divisions. More power to me in the long run I guess. I'm sure hes trying to balance the south out but with 1st Panzer running around I thought he would bulk up his defense. 1st Pz Grp will temporarily secure the flanks of 6th Armee then drive south to unhinge the entire southern defensive line.

I really don't expect much pocketing from here on out in the south, I feel Red has lost enough units here to not want to try and do a tight defense like he has been doing. I'm hoping that he will just fall back to the Dnepr but that is just a wish [:'(]

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Odessa Front

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Everything going to plan here. Once I breach the river with 11th Armee I expect him to fall back to the next river. Might send 1st Pz Grp here to tear up some ground. 2nd Armee almost in the fight!

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