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We didn't have to use aircraft like the Vincent y'know. We just did it to be sporting, not a lot of people know this but the RAF actually developed the V-bombers in 1936 but it was deemed to be Just Not Cricket to use them. Instead we played fair and used biplanes for the first couple of years, this had the added side effect of creating employment in the RAF. A biplane has two sets of wings, thus creating almost twice the work of a monoplane for the groundcrew. As many non-commisioned personnel will tell you, the officers are very keen on extra work as long as it is distributed entirely to those without commisions.

That seems only prudent. Can't have duct tape being applied willy-nilly can we?
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The Vincent is an aerodynamic beast when it rolls off the production line but after a few months in surface the extra drag from all the duct tape covering rips in the fabric has slowed the top speed to less than late model wee Jap dobber subs operating under deisel power.

Duct tape? Good grief man, I can see you have never affected a temporary repair to any sort of aircraft...[:-]
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History of No.4 Sqdrn, RNZAF

Get this. They HAD Wellingtons and they gave them away. [:D]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._4_Squadron_RNZAF

Due to activity by German surface raiders, the squadron was hurriedly formed in October 1940, initially equipped with a range of hurriedly converted civilian airliners, the twin engined de Havilland DH.89 Dragon Rapide, and four engined de Havilland DH86 Express from Union Airways of New Zealand and de Havilland DH.60 Moth single engined machines from aero clubs - New Zealand's modern Vickers Wellington bombers having been offered to the RAF for the war in Europe, two years previously.

Squadron Leader G R White was the first commanding officer and stayed with the squadron for two years. The squadron moved to Fiji that month to assist 5 Squadron, and it took over obsolescent Vickers Vincent biplane torpedo bombers and later re-equipped with modern Lockheed Hudsons. When war with Japan broke out No. 4 Squadron remained in Fiji operating as a reconnaissance unit, and also for training crews to reinforce units in the forward area.

In May 1943 three American ships, the William Williams, Hearst and Vanderbilt, were torpedoed by Japanese submarines. Hudsons of No. 4 Squadron found the survivors of the Hurst and dropped supplies, as well as maintaining an anti-submarine patrol over the crippled William Williams was she was towed 120 miles north to Suva.

On 25 May a squadron machine sighted a surfaced submarine while escorting an American convoy and dropped four depth-charges. An oil slick appeared - after the war it emerged a Japanese submarine was lost at this time in the area.

On 7 September a squadron Hudson damaged a second submarine while escorting the American ship Saugatuck. 5 other sightings and attacks were made by the squadron without result.

The squadron re-equipped with Lockheed Venturas in 1944. In November it shifted base to Emirau, remaining there until February 1945, Guadalcanal from May 1945 to June 1945 and Emirau again in June and July of that year before moving to Los Negros where it remained when the war ended, disbanding in September 1945.
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Vincent is an aerodynamic beast when it rolls off the production line but after a few months in surface the extra drag from all the duct tape covering rips in the fabric has slowed the top speed to less than late model wee Jap dobber subs operating under deisel power.

Duct tape? Good grief man, I can see you have never affected a temporary repair to any sort of aircraft...[:-]

Waiting for the punch line.....
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Hey don't dish the Vincent.[:)] It carries a 1000 lb bomb. Now the Audax with its monster payload of 4, yes check the number, 4 x 20lb bombs, now that is a fearsome beast. Even the Wapiti, the source of some merriment already on this AAR, carries 2x100 lb bombs.

Just remember, even the Vincent must have a mother somewhere. Which reminds me, how is Mrs Mengeles doing?

Alfred

Sure, a 1000 lb bomb SOUNDS impressive, I will admit, but it still has to be carried to the target and dropped with some degree of accuracy.

The Vincent is an aerodynamic beast when it rolls off the production line but after a few months in service the extra drag from all the duct tape covering rips in the fabric has slowed the top speed to less than late model wee Jap dobber subs operating under deisel power.

That duct tape induced drag is a positive not a negative.[:)]

For a fraction of the cost of acquiring one of the new Sikorsky experimental helicopters you have both loitoring capability over WJD subs operating under diesel power (provided you have a tailwind behind the Vincent) plus a much greater payload than those flimsy Sikorskys. And during the night, they can still continue their current role of protecting the Catalinas from night raids by taking a bullet otherwise intended for the Catalinas, just like a good Secret Service agent. With all these advantages, I am surprised M&M Enterprises has tried to sell you some additional Vincents.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Vincent is an aerodynamic beast when it rolls off the production line but after a few months in surface the extra drag from all the duct tape covering rips in the fabric has slowed the top speed to less than late model wee Jap dobber subs operating under deisel power.

Duct tape? Good grief man, I can see you have never affected a temporary repair to any sort of aircraft...[:-]

Waiting for the punch line.....

There is no punch line, just historical FACTS. Which BTW, this mockery of a sham of a game does not feature [:-]

Prior to August 1942 fabric skinned aircraft (such as the Vincent, Swordfish etc) were repaired by little old ladies attached to each squadron. Not many people know that the WRAF was originally set up (in secret in 1918) to provide little old ladies who could darn the repairs needed to keep the fabric skinned aircraft of the time flying. The RAF originally tried to use airmen for this task, but it was soon found that they lost interest and would just send the aircraft flying with holes in as they were deemed to be lucky aircraft. The practice was halted in August 1942 as it was not deemed worthwhile in view of the limited numbers of fabric skinned types in service, especially as the insatiable need for peppermints was placing too much strain on the overstretched merchant fleet. Some historians have also claimed that the demise was further hastened when the little old ladies started to demand that aircrew spit on their hankies in order to wipe some dirt off their faces.
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ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Dixie




Duct tape? Good grief man, I can see you have never affected a temporary repair to any sort of aircraft...[:-]

Waiting for the punch line.....

There is no punch line, just historical FACTS. Which BTW, this mockery of a sham of a game does not feature [:-]

Prior to August 1942 fabric skinned aircraft (such as the Vincent, Swordfish etc) were repaired by little old ladies attached to each squadron. Not many people know that the WRAF was originally set up (in secret in 1918) to provide little old ladies who could darn the repairs needed to keep the fabric skinned aircraft of the time flying. The RAF originally tried to use airmen for this task, but it was soon found that they lost interest and would just send the aircraft flying with holes in as they were deemed to be lucky aircraft. The practice was halted in August 1942 as it was not deemed worthwhile in view of the limited numbers of fabric skinned types in service, especially as the insatiable need for peppermints was placing too much strain on the overstretched merchant fleet. Some historians have also claimed that the demise was further hastened when the little old ladies started to demand that aircrew spit on their hankies in order to wipe some dirt off their faces.

Dixie,

Do you know whether the Regia Aeronautica had a similar dedicated group of black robed nonnas for their fabric planes.[;)]

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insatiable need for peppermints was placing too much strain on the overstretched merchant fleet.

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Bloody Hell. I just realized it is the Ensign McGoo Cargo Cult, not McCoy. I hope I haven't just turned four to five hundred zealous Cargoists against the Allied cause.

Just pray they are not Tannabals...
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Bloody Hell. I just realized it is the Ensign McGoo Cargo Cult, not McCoy. I hope I haven't just turned four to five hundred zealous Cargoists against the Allied cause.

Just pray they are not Tannabals...

Didn't the Tannabals, aka Homo toto coelo identify this as their national anthem a few years back?

I eat cannibal
Feed on animal
Your love is so edible to me
I eat cannibals

I eat cannibal
It's incredible
You bring out the animal in me
I eat cannibals

What can you do
You're in a stew
Hot hot cook it up
I'm never gonna stop
Fancy a bite
My appetite
Yum yum gee it's fun
Banging on a different drum

And I eat cannibal
Feed on animal
Your love is so edible to me
I eat cannibals

I eat cannibal
It's incredible
You bring out the animal in me
I eat cannibals

I like the spice
Tasty and nice
Roastin vitamin
Forget the dietin'
Mmm such a dish
I can't resist
Healthy recipe
What you got is good for me

And I eat cannibal
Feed on animal
Your love is so edible to me
I eat cannibals

I eat cannibal
It's incredible
You bring out the animal in me
I eat cannibals

All I wanna do
Make a meal of you
We are what we eat
You're my kind of meat

Got a hunger for your love
(Hot pot cook it up, I'm never gonna stop)
It's all I'm thinkin' of
(Yum yum gee it's fun, I'm banging on a drum)
Give the world a bone
(Roastin vitamin, forget the dietin')
I got steak at home
(I eat cannibals)

[extended version only:
I don't need no take away 'cause Chinese food is so risque
The menu is the venue where your heart is,
can't you see I'm not into foreign platters, loving you is all that matters
You're the kind of bull who's put the animal in me]

I eat cannibal
Feed on animal
Your love is so edible to me
I eat cannibals

I eat cannibal
It's incredible
You bring out the animal in me
I eat cannibals

Roastin', toastin', you're the one I'm boastin'
Eat me, eat you, incredibly delicious too
Gourmet, flambe, serve you up an entree
Intake, home bake, you're the icing on the cake

Eat me, eat you, incredibly delicious too
Gourmet, flambe, serve you up an entree
Intake, home bake, you're the icing on the cake
Full up, can't stop, dicing on a chop chop
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Didn't the Tannabals, aka Homo toto coelo identify this as their national anthem a few years back?

No.
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Hey don't dish the Vincent.[:)] It carries a 1000 lb bomb. Now the Audax with its monster payload of 4, yes check the number, 4 x 20lb bombs, now that is a fearsome beast. Even the Wapiti, the source of some merriment already on this AAR, carries 2x100 lb bombs.

Just remember, even the Vincent must have a mother somewhere. Which reminds me, how is Mrs Mengeles doing?

Alfred

Wasnt the Audax an early 20's fighter?

If it had an upgrade path, it would be an upgrade to the Wright Flyer. [:D]
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The Vincent is just the general purpose version of the Vildebeest, and JJ knows how deadly they are. The mere sight of a biplane trundling across the sky toward them has your average WJD quaking in his wooden sandals.

Thats because they assume that theyre carrier-borne Stringbags. [:'(]
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Duct tape? Good grief man, I can see you have never affected a temporary repair to any sort of aircraft...[:-]

Waiting for the punch line.....

There is no punch line, just historical FACTS. Which BTW, this mockery of a sham of a game does not feature [:-]

Prior to August 1942 fabric skinned aircraft (such as the Vincent, Swordfish etc) were repaired by little old ladies attached to each squadron. Not many people know that the WRAF was originally set up (in secret in 1918) to provide little old ladies who could darn the repairs needed to keep the fabric skinned aircraft of the time flying. The RAF originally tried to use airmen for this task, but it was soon found that they lost interest and would just send the aircraft flying with holes in as they were deemed to be lucky aircraft. The practice was halted in August 1942 as it was not deemed worthwhile in view of the limited numbers of fabric skinned types in service, especially as the insatiable need for peppermints was placing too much strain on the overstretched merchant fleet. Some historians have also claimed that the demise was further hastened when the little old ladies started to demand that aircrew spit on their hankies in order to wipe some dirt off their faces.

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Hey don't dish the Vincent.[:)] It carries a 1000 lb bomb. Now the Audax with its monster payload of 4, yes check the number, 4 x 20lb bombs, now that is a fearsome beast. Even the Wapiti, the source of some merriment already on this AAR, carries 2x100 lb bombs.

Just remember, even the Vincent must have a mother somewhere. Which reminds me, how is Mrs Mengeles doing?

Alfred

Wasnt the Audax an early 20's fighter?

If it had an upgrade path, it would be an upgrade to the Wright Flyer. [:D]

Not in this game.[:)]

The mighty Audax I is classified as a light bomber albeit with a scheduled upgrade path to the Mohawk fighter, although with PDU on, the player does have the option to upgrade to the fearsome Wapiti or even to the even more terrifying BUFF, the Lysander.[:D]

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7/7/42

China is doing its bit to keep JJ's casualties high:

Ground combat at 85,42

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 64359 troops, 684 guns, 299 vehicles, Assault Value = 1991

Defending force 36828 troops, 364 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1252

Japanese adjusted assault: 1349

Allied adjusted defense: 3307

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4179 casualties reported
Squads: 103 destroyed, 155 disabled
Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 226 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 36 (25 destroyed, 11 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2226 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 183 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 166 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
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July 8th 42

The forest of Sweet Osmanthus fell today. But all thos units can only just make a 2;1 against a lowly base force? Things must be bad:

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 6942 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 707

Defending force 1672 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 41

Japanese adjusted assault: 241

Allied adjusted defense: 93

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
395 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
379 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 28 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Assaulting units:
22nd Division
1st Ind.Inf.Group
138th Infantry Regiment
13th Army

Defending units:
2nd Chinese Base Force
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Hey don't dish the Vincent.[:)] It carries a 1000 lb bomb. Now the Audax with its monster payload of 4, yes check the number, 4 x 20lb bombs, now that is a fearsome beast. Even the Wapiti, the source of some merriment already on this AAR, carries 2x100 lb bombs.

Just remember, even the Vincent must have a mother somewhere. Which reminds me, how is Mrs Mengeles doing?

Alfred

Wasnt the Audax an early 20's fighter?

If it had an upgrade path, it would be an upgrade to the Wright Flyer. [:D]

Not in this game.[:)]

The mighty Audax I is classified as a light bomber albeit with a scheduled upgrade path to the Mohawk fighter, although with PDU on, the player does have the option to upgrade to the fearsome Wapiti or even to the even more terrifying BUFF, the Lysander.[:D]

Alfred

It never has seemed to me that naming "warplanes" after ruminants was a good idea. It suggests a military procurement system gone awry. Surely there are enough raptors or something of that sort. Hell, even something like "Weasel" seems better.
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July 8th 42

The forest of Sweet Osmanthus fell today.

Did anyone else have to look that up?
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***************July 8, 1942**************


Fiji: Not much happened. The Oscars were quiet. Again, the danger of collisions between US Subs and Jap ships was largely avoided by careful seamanship. Again, a Vincent of No. 4 Sqdrn. spotted and, owing to a favorable tailwind, was able to close on a Jap sub off Nadi. A 1000 lb bomb was dropped from 5,000 ft and made a big white splash followed by an oil slick.

Casualties:

1,210 Anchovy*
17 Yellowtail
28 Flying Fish
1 Sea Turtle
2 Oceanic White Tips

A PT Boat flotilla ordered to investigate said the oil slick kinda smelled like ceasar salad.

Reinforcements arrived at Nadi where all artillery was ordered into a safety stand down. Allied forces at Suva sent about 1,000 WJD's to the Shinto shrine. The Tank Bn. attacking the Naval Guard unit in loin cloths on Northern Fiji suffered a freindly fire accident (losing 3 Stuarts). The Jap force is down to 3 guns with no troops . The losses probably represent ricochets?


SouthPac HQ (Nimitz in charge) is headed for Suva.


* I took the "e" out of "anchovey" but this doesn't look right either. Ah...screw it. I hate spelling.
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