ORIGINAL: abulbulian
hasty attack or not. This sov unit was out in the open, not fortified against a pz div that was elite (high 90's exp). It' should have rolled over that inf div. Has nobody read any book about this type of combat on the east front?
Did you look at the modified combat values? 90:5 [&:]
If people want to continue to just agree to favor WitE is fine and nothing is wrong... that's your choice. I know what I know about the warfare on the east front and the capabilities of each side through the years. This just feels so wrong in many ways..
Combat value is NEVER used in calculation of combat results. It is ONLY used to determine if the unit retreats. Combat occurs between devices. An Art Rgt has a CV of 0 but it has 36 guns in it, those guns depending on crew skill will fire multiple times in a turn, at different ranges, with skill related chances to hit. A guards Rgt will fire more often then a normal unit from my observation.
Hasty attacks don't change how the combat occurs they only have a greater chance to not work since the final CV has a higher chance of being insufficient to force a retreat. The losses you suffer from the combat hasty or deliberate seem to be the same (I can't recall seeing an obvious difference) but if you fail to get the retreat then you don't inflict the retreat attrition and so you see only the combat losses. Retreat attrition can be significant depending on morale, checks and failures etc.
So your armoured division did an overrun, which worked brilliantly and you got some minor losses. Most of those are probably "damaged" but given it was a 19 CV Russian infantry division it was (for a russian rifle division) fairly experienced, plus it had heavy artillery and air support. You forced it to pull out when you over ran the lead element of the unit.
Your attacking troops suffer the full losses from defender fire the defender only suffers till it reaches (typically) 10% losses then it pikes off and if no leader checks fail the retreat attrition is relatively small. At a guess half the losses the Rifle division took were from combat, and probably from your Panzers machine guns the rest were retreat.
If this was a russian attack your losses would have been significantly higher, attacking a german division with those numbers and 19 stuka's...3000-4000 men, 20-40 tanks easily. You got off with minor scrapes to your units paint.
Watch the combat at lvl 4 and you will see how this all works together.
I assaulted a depleted Pz division in the blizzard that had been cut off from supply for 2 weeks (3 week total isolated) that had ...6000 men, 120 guns and 50-70 tanks. I used 100,000 men, 1200 guns, and 250 tanks (or something not far from those numbers on both sides). My losses were on the order of 5000 men, 50 guns, and 60 tanks (virtually every light tank)...so when it was all settled out the net losses including surrender were about the same. For 20:1 odds...and you are complaining because why again?
