Utter madness... if you didn't believe something was wrong before

[KenchiSulla]

Pretty accurate result I would say. The axis werent bullet proof. Maybe next time you are lucky and wont loose that many tanks...

[raizer]

so if his odds had been a lot worse, and a probe conducted, he would have suffered hardly any casualties but not taken the hex?

[Korzun]

Sorry, this thread is utter madness. Making a fuss about such a non-issue is questionable at best.

[MengJiao]

ORIGINAL: abulbulian

hasty attack or not. This sov unit was out in the open, not fortified against a pz div that was elite (high 90's exp). It' should have rolled over that inf div. Has nobody read any book about this type of combat on the east front?

Did you look at the modified combat values? 90:5 [&:]

If people want to continue to just agree to favor WitE is fine and nothing is wrong... that's your choice. I know what I know about the warfare on the east front and the capabilities of each side through the years. This just feels so wrong in many ways..

It probably doesn't matter how elite you are when your hasty recon allows you to drive into an 8-inch howitzer shell while you are busy congradulating yourself on how elite you are and how little resistance you expect from a bunch of people with 8-inch howiters pre-registered on the most obvious lines of (hasty) approach.

[karonagames]

Sorry, this thread is utter madness. Making a fuss about such a non-issue is questionable at best.

There is always the straw that breaks the camel's back, and this might be his. I stopped testing for a month because I got so frustrated over some combat results.

But I've learned to live with the "freak" results - I have seen much, much worse than this but for Abu, this is too much, so I can understand.

[jhdeerslayer]

For me, this issue adds to the game and not take away. Nothing is a guaranteed or expected.

[Flaviusx]

Bob, you should start a CV support group or something. [:D]

[PeeDeeAitch]

Support group? Are you saying that CVs are better when there are 12 steps to a unit? That sounds like tabletop to me...
 
(thank you, I will be here all week. Try the veal.)

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: BigAnorak
But I've learned to live with the "freak" results - I have seen much, much worse than this but for Abu, this is too much, so I can understand.

Too much for him?? Every couple days there is something that is "too much" for him, it's not the first thread ba Ara that has "madness!!!!" or "insanity!!!!!" in thread title, because - boo hoo - bunch of people died in a WAR.

I guess every forum needs a Drama queen, and we have Ara [:D]

I propose devs release a special version of WITE for Ara and his mates, you start a game, click a button and get the following message:

GERMAN VICTORY, MOSCOW FALLS, SOVIETS SURRENDER.

German casualties: 0
Soviet casualties: everyone

Easy to develop and would suit some players. I propose this version be called WITE - Axis Fanboy Edition (WITE - AFE)

[karonagames]

We're all entitled to throw our toys out of our prams every now and then - I prefer to do it in private.

[Shellshock]

ORIGINAL: abulbulian

Has nobody read any book about this type of combat on the east front?

Sorry, I musta skipped the Marvel Comic version where Panzer Divisions are rolling Death Stars that vaporize everything in their path.

[TulliusDetritus]

Madness?? [&:]

Where's the Sparta Kick? I want the Sparta kick! A Sparta kick was supposed to be on this thread! [:(]

[paullus99]

War is always about the unexpected - no battle plan survives contact with the enemy & there are countless stories of battles won when they should have been lost, lost when they should have won, and soldiers that did more than expected or less than expected of them.

Over time, these results will even themselves out - and the Russians in 1942 are not the same you faced in 1941.

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

Madness?? [&:]

Where's the Sparta Kick? I want the Sparta kick! A Sparta kick was supposed to be on this thread! [:(]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s8XQQO7A6pM/S ... arta-7.jpg

[CarnageINC]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

I propose devs release a special version of WITE for Ara and his mates, you start a game, click a button and get the following message:

GERMAN VICTORY, MOSCOW FALLS, SOVIETS SURRENDER.

German casualties: 0
Soviet casualties: everyone

Easy to develop and would suit some players. I propose this version be called WITE - Axis Fanboy Edition (WITE - AFE)

SWEET! This is the first I heard of this?!? When does it come out!

[wildweasel0585]

[:D] Sparta kick. haha funny.

I'd have to agree with the general consensus: a Panzer division isn't invulnerable nor is something wrong with the game if a Panzer division suffers more casualties than the enemy in a battle

[CarnageINC]

Hey Oleg, I just noticed you got your avatar changed!  Did it finally work for you?  I should check mine, see if I can change it finally.

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: wildweasel0585

[:D] Sparta kick. haha funny.

I'd have to agree with the general consensus: a Panzer division isn't invulnerable nor is something wrong with the game if a Panzer division suffers more casualties than the enemy in a battle

And with losses that low? That sort of over-the-top reaction can only be a product of ignorance.

[carnifex]

Those combat results are totally in line with expectations. You ordered twelve thousand men to advance across open fields against an enemy supported by air power and artillery. You suffered nearly a thousand casualties and forced the enemy to retreat. This is not "utter madness" and if you are "without words to comprehend" over that, then you need to play a game that doesn't use dice.

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

ORIGINAL: BigAnorak
But I've learned to live with the "freak" results - I have seen much, much worse than this but for Abu, this is too much, so I can understand.

Too much for him?? Every couple days there is something that is "too much" for him, it's not the first thread ba Ara that has "madness!!!!" or "insanity!!!!!" in thread title, because - boo hoo - bunch of people died in a WAR.

I guess every forum needs a Drama queen, and we have Ara [:D]

I propose devs release a special version of WITE for Ara and his mates, you start a game, click a button and get the following message:

GERMAN VICTORY, MOSCOW FALLS, SOVIETS SURRENDER.

German casualties: 0
Soviet casualties: everyone

Easy to develop and would suit some players. I propose this version be called WITE - Axis Fanboy Edition (WITE - AFE)

LMAO. Ya i don't think there is anything wrong with those results.

I am happy to see that my new IL-2's in the lines are having fun with their tanks. The IL-2 was the first A-10 style aircraft. Tank buster and built like a flying tank. They had all winter to get themselves sorted out too so they are not the flying morons of 41.

Just so you know ara i've also figured out air combat a little more. And spent a lot of time moving air units upto the front. So please be prepared for more death from above.

And i did lose almost 20 planes so i'd say it was a fair trade. But yea check the unit to see how many units were damaged.

I'd prefer enjoy the combat results being a little more verbose as well with telling you which things were destroyed & which were damaged. That might ease your mind a bit if you only lose 2 tanks and 6 were damaged.

And please don't bail on our game i'm having fun and i will cry like a little baby.