Hypothetical WW3 scens ?

[Alpha77]

I played OPART some years ago and tried out the WW3 scens provided. However I was interupted (job + family issues) to continue play and shelved the game. Now we have this new version and I consider to revisit the game.

Are the WW3 scens still part of it ? If yes, are these also updated to the newest version of the game ? Also I would like your view on the best scens overall to try out ? Please no east front or pure fantasy scens. Thanks.... this would be vs. the AI. Thanks.

As reference for WW3 I would name the old SSI game Red Lightning (one of my faves)

[Oberst_Klink]

NATO vs. Warsaw Pact

The Next War 1979 [hypothetical]
Designer – Bob Cross
Start June 22, 1979
Warsaw Pact vs. NATO
1115 brigade/division sized units
17-34 half-week turns, plus 1 “pre-turn”.
14km/hex 82x100 map of Central Europe
This covers a hypothetical Warsaw Pact vs. NATO battle in Central Europe in 1979.  It
starts with a “pre-turn” to allow the Warsaw Pact player to choose between “Tension” and
“Sudden War”.

Red Thunder 1988 [hypothetical]
Designer – Erik Rutins
Start June 21, 1988
U. S. S. R. vs. N. A. T. O.
990 regiment/brigade sized units
60 half-day turns
25km/hex 60x53 map of Central Europe
This is another NATO/Warsaw Pact hypothetical.  This one is a tribute to Norm Koger's "Red Lightning"

Global Conflict 1988 [hypothetical]
Designer – Haris Riris
Start October 7, 1988
USSR vs. USA
3298 brigade/division sized units
60 full-day turns
20km/hex 300x197 map of Europe, Middle East, & Far East
This is a monster treatment of a hypothetical worldwide NATO vs. Warsaw Pact conflict.

Operation Jutland 1989 [hypothetical]
Designer – Tim McBride
Start May 8, 1989
NATO vs. Warsaw Pact
569 battalion/brigade sized units
53 full-day turns
10km/hex 53x44 map of Denmark
This covers a hypothetical NATO liberation of a Soviet occupied Denmark.

Germany 1990 – North German Plain [hypothetical]
Designer – Trey Marshall
Start May 9, 1990
Warsaw Pact vs. NATO
254 battalion/regiment sized units
28 six-hour turns
5km/hex 73x57 map of Germany
This is the first of three in a series covering different sections of a hypothetical Warsaw
Pact – NATO conflict.  This version covers the North German Plain section.

Germany 1990 - British Army of the Rhine [hypothetical]
Designer – Trey Marshall
Start May 9, 1990
Warsaw Pact vs. NATO
280 battalion/regiment sized units
28 six-hour turns
5km/hex 73x57 map of Germany
This is the second of three in a series covering different sections of a hypothetical Warsaw
Pact – NATO conflict.  This version covers the BAOR section.

Germany 1990 – Southern Germany [hypothetical]
Designer – Trey Marshall
Start May 9, 1990
Warsaw Pact vs. NATO
241 battalion/regiment sized units
28 six-hour turns
5km/hex 72x57 map of Germany
This is the third of three in a series covering different sections of a hypothetical Warsaw
Pact – NATO conflict.  This version covers the Southern Germany section.

Highway to Helsinki 1990 [hypothetical]
Designer – Jari Mikkonen
Start June 24, 1990
Finnish Army vs. Soviet Army
435 battalion sized units
23 half-day turns
2.5km/hex 94x52 map of Southern Finland
This covers a hypothetical Soviet thrust towards the Finnish capital city.

Karelian Pine 1990 [hypothetical]
Designer – Jari Mikkonen
Start June 25, 1990
Finnish Army vs. Soviet Army
98 battalion sized units
15 half-day turns
2.5km/hex 59x58 map of Eastern Finland
This covers a hypothetical Soviet offensive in Eastern Finland.

Nordic Light II 1992 [hypothetical]
Designer – Jari Mikkonen
Start September 4, 1992
NATO/Nordic vs. Russia
968 regiment/brigade sized units
13 half-week turns
15km/hex 102x140 map of Scandinavia
This covers a hypothetical Russian invasion of Finland and Sweden in the autumn of
1992

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[larryfulkerson]

Mark has put together a new one called Armageddon 2015 - Europe and North Africa Version 1 and Roger and I playtested it and I think it's one of the best.  Just drop me a line and I'll send it to you.       fulkersonlarry60(at)gmail(dot)com.

[Alpha77]

Thanks guys, the above named scens are playable with the newest version ? (I need to buy this first lol), I still have the old game from Talonsoft (i believe)...

@ Larry: I will e-mail you if I come to the decission to buy this new version Only problem is I still have a WITPae campaign going - this game eats time  

But good to know those scens are still existing, guess as soon my time alows I´ll check em out....

[Telumar]

Piero Falotti recently has uploaded two scenarios to Rugged Defence/The Strategist. He labelled them as beta, but maybe worth a look:

Alternate WWIII - Arctic Front
http://www.the-strategist.net/RD/scenar ... php?Id=801

and Cuba
http://www.the-strategist.net/RD/scenar ... php?Id=800

[macgregor]

I've got to admit some frustration at the number of scenarios pitting the US against Russia, and yet there are no scenarios that depict the world as it really is. For example, there's no scenario involving the potential crisis with Iran developing nukes, getting al Qaeda out of Pakistan or some of these other potential middle east hotspots. take your pick. They're ALL hot now. It's just 'put the reds back on the other side of the fence where they belong'.

[Telumar]

ORIGINAL: macgregor

I've got to admit some frustration at the number of scenarios pitting the US against Russia, and yet there are no scenarios that depict the world as it really is. For example, there's no scenario involving the potential crisis with Iran developing nukes, getting al Qaeda out of Pakistan or some of these other potential middle east hotspots. take your pick. They're ALL hot now. It's just 'put the reds back on the other side of the fence where they belong'.

Feel free to create one then.. [:'(]

[macgregor]

ORIGINAL: Telumar
Feel free to create one then.. [:'(]

That was the appropriate response. Shame I couldn't go in with someone else who has more experience. But then, no one is going to hold my hand through it. At this point, the work seems overwhelming. I'll revisit this when I'm over this bout with the flu. Though so far, I have yet to create any scenario. I hate the expression; 'just saying' but I'm left with little else in response.

[Alpha77]

@ Mac Gregor: Well, I don´t like these scens with terrorism and/or so called Axis Of Evil nations etc. I am still living in the past, means cold war. Could be cause I liked the "feeling" in Berlin with the wall much better than todays without the wall. Also I was in the Luftwaffe just 1 year after the CW ended, we still trained with Russian plane models....and assumed the enemy comes from the east. Not from Iraq or A´stan. But thats just me....and I played endless WW2 scens in different games, so the CW is still quite fresh for me from a gamers perspective...

BTW: I created some CW scens for Steelpanthers, but I have no knowledge how to create scens in TOAW. And sadly no time to learn it, maybe if I would win 1 Mio. € then, yes......

[macgregor]

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

@ Mac Gregor: Well, I don´t like these scens with terrorism and/or so called Axis Of Evil nations etc. I am still living in the past, means cold war. Could be cause I liked the "feeling" in Berlin with the wall much better than todays without the wall. Also I was in the Luftwaffe just 1 year after the CW ended, we still trained with Russian plane models....and assumed the enemy comes from the east. Not from Iraq or A´stan. But thats just me....and I played endless WW2 scens in different games, so the CW is still quite fresh for me from a gamers perspective...

BTW: I created some CW scens for Steelpanthers, but I have no knowledge how to create scens in TOAW. And sadly no time to learn it, maybe if I would win 1 Mio. € then, yes......

I can understand that. Right now I'm watching my country's economy fold while hemorrhaging more cash in two wars that historically were never less understood by those funding them than by any country(except maybe yours in WW2)while we argue over cutting programs less than 5% the cost. Meanwhile the real 'Axis of Evil' (Tehran/Islamabad)have actually received millions, if not billions of dollars in aid -some in the form of our most sophisticated weaponry(how's that for solitaire hotseat). If ever there was a moral need for a scenario, this would certainly be it. While Pakistan may now have the F16C block50 fighters, Iran's front line would be the very same MiG-29s you're familiar with. BTW, the quote 'other side of the fence where they belong' was from a 70s comedy movie where he originally referred to the Germans. I'm off to work now, sick or not. Perhaps we could discuss this further.

[larryfulkerson]

@Macgregor:  hope you get to feeling better soon.

[macgregor]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

@Macgregor:  hope you get to feeling better soon.

Thank you Larry. I got a little food down and that made me feel a lot better. Amazing how easy it is to eat healthy stuff when you have no appetite. I guess I'll know I'm healthy when I'm back to thinking about sex, beer, and buffalo wings.