Testing WITE

[2ndACR]

Ever heard of SSI (Strategic Simulations Inc)? If so, that is basically 2by3 in a nutshell.

Go to http://www.2by3games.com/about.htm

And there you go. Does not get any better than them.


Just saw your post, true, but the more complex the game, the more issues that can crop up. This is a complex game under the hood. True, but how many games take a year to get the first and maybe only patch released for even killer bugs? Not a single patch has required a complete restart. Even the Beta patches are the most stable around.

Rapid patches are a sign of great support for issues that crop up or are found. I am not a coder, but have beta tested before and it is mighty easy to change one thing that effected another later down the road. I might cry about my German Army during blizzard, I have lost 1 PBEM to the issue only because my opponent did not want to slap me around for 15 turns. But, I am still playing 1 slap session that brings tears to my eyes to even watch. I am still playing the AI.

[Senno]

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Ever heard of SSI (Strategic Simulations Inc)? If so, that is basically 2by3 in a nutshell.

Go to http://www.2by3games.com/about.htm

And there you go. Does not get any better than them.

Don't waste your time ACR. He may edit his post to put words in your mouth, see above a couple posts.

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: bcgames

So it's the Americans here that are the problem? Ya know...stupid and unable to follow an argument?

Well you said it, not me.

Nope. I'm purty sure that was you.

[bdtj1815]

No I said it, no problem admitting to it. What is a "troll". Or have i not read enough fantasy!! Science fiction?

PS Any edits I might have to earlier posts were as a result of my noticing errors, of grammar or punctuation in my original post.

[Senno]

Yes, BC you are right. He edited his post afterwards, but you captured the screenshot.

[Senno]

ORIGINAL: Senno

Yes, BC you are right. He edited his post afterwards, but you captured the screenshot.

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815

No I said it, no problem admitting to it. What is a "troll". Or have i not read enough fantasy!! Science fiction?

PS Any edits I might have to earlier posts were as a result of my noticing errors, of grammar or punctuation in my original post.

Yes, clearly, haha.



Haha. You do realize that we can read the whole thread right?

Why deny it to BC, then tell me you admit it? Haha. Classic. Good job, but I was onto you with the initial copy/paste job. Classic troll.

[2ndACR]

LOL, gotta love it.

A troll is someone who comes around, posts something to light the fire and start the war. Usually they post something that can really cause a thread to go downhill really quick with a slur or so forth. Like the above quote. If I had seen that way back when, well it would not have been a nice response, but I am getting old so I spend more time just shaking my head and sometimes ignoring such comments.

Or try to.

[bdtj1815]

ORIGINAL: Senno

ORIGINAL: Senno

Yes, BC you are right. He edited his post afterwards, but you captured the screenshot.

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815

No I said it, no problem admitting to it. What is a "troll". Or have i not read enough fantasy!! Science fiction?

Haha. You do realize that we can read the whole thread right?

Why deny it to BC, then tell me you admit it? Haha. Classic. Good job, but I was onto you with the initial copy/paste job. Classic troll.

Classic troll.

For God's sake grow up and realise some of us are involved in a seious discussion her.

[Senno]

Yeah, he's done a pretty good job. But the jig is up. Well played though.

Yes, serious discussions often involve editing and retracting, then blaming errors on punctuation, etc. Blaming others/putting words in their mouths. You must be a politician?

Well played, Sir. Well played.

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815
For God's sake grow up and realise some of us are involved in a seious discussion her.

What part of...

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815
No!! I think that if you are referring to my comments comparing DNO/WITE you really are being very literal, and probably must be American, stupid or unable to follow an argument (tautology?).

...is the serious discussion here? Tautologically speaking, of course.

[bdtj1815]

ORIGINAL: Senno

Yeah, he's done a pretty good job. But the jig is up. Well played though.

Yes, serious discussions often involve editing and retracting, then blaming errors on punctuation, etc. Blaming others/putting words in their mouths. You must be a politician?

Well played, Sir. Well played.

I am a politician actually so being diplomatic "just Fuck off".

[Senno]

Knew it. Only a politicial would change his own quote and then deny it while blaming someone else.[;)] Well, that's an unfair generalization, trolls do that as well....

But your composure is deteriorating. Spelling errors, now expletives. Classic. Are you really going to stick with it? No reason to be angry though, I congratulated you on the excellent troll. 5 pages, well played.

[bcgames]

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815

I am a politician actually so being diplomatic "just Fuck off".

Noted--with mild enthusiam.

[bdtj1815]

ORIGINAL: Senno

Knew it. Only a politicial would change his own quote and then deny it while blaming someone else.[;)] Well, that's an unfair generalization, trolls do that as well....

But your composure is deteriorating. Spelling errors, now expletives. Classic. Are you really going to stick with it? No reason to be angry though, I congratulated you on the excellent troll. 5 pages, well played.

I really cannot see what your is problem with me.

I dared to suggest WITE on release needrd some work doing to it, as proven by the number of patches released in the last three months. I also commented that I thought that it was unfair on those of us who just want to be able to play a good game, having paid our money, and should be able to do so without having to update our game every two weeks or so.

There are so many threads on this forum questioning so many aspects of this game that they are too many to repeat now.(very much tongue in cheek, because so much is good about this game, with apologies to Gary Grigsby, Joel Billings and all the rest at 2by3 Games who I congratulate on WITE but just wish it was better).

Punctuation and grammar hopefully correct without the need for editing, this time, previous edits a combination of my poor typing skills coupled with the requirement for accuracy drummed into me at school . The Jötunn

[Senno]

No problem now. Have a nice night.[:)]

Hmm, what's that about Jotunn? And Ragnarok? Interested in Norse mythology much bychance?

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815


There are so many threads on this forum questioning so many aspects of this game that they are too many to repeat now.(very much tongue in cheek, because so much is good about this game, with apologies to Gary Grigsby, Joel Billings and all the rest at 2by3 Games who I congratulate on WITE but just wish it was better). Punctuation and grammar hopefully correct without the need for editing, this time, previous edits a combination of my poor typing skills coupled with the requirement for accuracy drummed into me at school . The Jötunn

Actually never mind.[;)]

[bdtj1815]

I have no interest in Norse mythology at all just "Googled" "troll" presuming that was your interest and to what you were referring. I have no idea what relevance it has to my posts or the comments by others in this thread (Wiking Division?).

[cookie monster]

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815

I have no interest in Norse mythology at all just "Googled" "troll" and presuming that was your interest and to what you were referring. I have no idea what relevance it has to my posts or the comments by others in this thread (Wiking Division?).

Here. This is what most people think you are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

[Senno]

ORIGINAL: bdtj1815

I have no interest in Norse mythology at all just "Googled" "troll" and presuming that was your interest and to what you were referring. I have no idea what relevance it has to my posts or the comments by others in this thread (Wiking Division?).

OK.

Cookie Monster has given a nice link. Although ACR provided a definition earlier.

Goodnight.

[Adnan Meshuggi]

ORIGINAL: alfonso

ORIGINAL: Adnan Meshuggi

hm, propably my english is to bad... could you explain it?

oh, you still did not say a word about the game and its "problems" from the pov of a lot people here. Is everyhing wad?
Could you explain me and the others why we are just not able to recognize the "truth"?
after all, you said that everything is fine and the historical results are "best german play"...

as i said... this problem is serious and i think the customers should know exactly what they buy. I want a huge sucsess for matrix to make more good games (i hopefully will buy and play)
In the moment we have game-balancing themes in wite and we had em in witp admirals edition. here scenario2 solved a lot problems, but the pacific war was really onesided. Do you belive the war in russia was the same?

probably, not as one-sided as the historic Pacific War. But rather one-sided in any case.

I have not said that historical results are best german play, I said it was rather lucky for the Germans to be in a position to launch a powerful Case Blue. With perfect historic Soviet and German "play" after 22 June 1941, I think Axis would be probably in a worse position than the one it had in June 1942. But well, this could lead to some lengthy debates, and perhaps they are a little bit off-topic

The game: Ok, your purpose is warning future costumers. You can be right in all you have said about the problems of the game. I have seen a lot of harsh criticism to this game, but somehow the common denominator of all them was the goal of making the game better. I did not observe that goal in your post, but now I see that you have a philantropic interest in future costumers, and that is very OK

PS: Checking your post record, I have found that you are the author of the enlightened opinion that the Dutch people deserved the World Soccer Cup South-Africa 2010 more than the Spanish people. Please believe me there is nothing personal between us: blame Iniesta and Casillas, not me!

Well,

opinion is opinion.... if you say it was luck that the germans could launch case blue i say it is just one opinion
"perfect" play from both sides should end in a really narrow result - depending on the dice....

so we agree we disagree no problem with it.

to the game: your comment about "warning future customers" is unfair. You know this, but after reading the end, i can understand your way (and this is exactly why i thougt, the dutch should win the cup and NOT the spanish guys. Your attitude and behaviour is it, i dislike. Same with the cycling doper... in every other nation the people would not make a hero out of a criminal... in spain, well, here it is a superhero.

But this has nothing to do with the game. The game should make clear what the normal result of good play is - why? because matrix games has such a great job done in the past and the people buy normally without to think the great games. Here - even more as in witp - many people get trapped by "wrong" opinions. Maybe they are all wrong, can´t say if this isn´t true... but if more people buy a game and are really disapointet that the way the game do the history, this will cause to more disapointment.

i am one of the now sceptical people who waits until buying the game - if good alternate-gc come out (difficulty, if the biggest problems are hardcoded...) or if the game can solve certain problems.

and to remember - i want to play BOTH sides

[alfonso]

ORIGINAL: Adnan Meshuggi


and this is exactly why i thougt, the dutch should win the cup and NOT the spanish guys. Your attitude and behaviour is it, i dislike.

Argghhh, that hurts....!![:D]