Should I visit this forum any more ??

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ORIGINAL: DBeves
Cant say anything even in this thread has made me feel better about the game as there seems to be a consensus even from different sides of the fence it is in fact broken - at least as far as the GC goes - which is in fact all I am interested in. The seeming lack of any official input into the argument doesnt augur well for it being fixed anytime soon either.

In a similar vein, I'm waiting for glowing reports from the next non-beta patch, before even starting (although, I have a minor worry that if it goes too much longer, I'm going to be kicking myself for not waiting until the next christmas sale before buying it!).

[SgtKachalin]

ORIGINAL: pompack
Well, at the risk of repeating myself...

The facts are worth repeating, so go ahead. [8D]

[henri51]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

I see a lot of people managed to change their avatars. I am trying to change mine (about time I get a GF, and the current pic might scare them away, if you know what I mean) since december but I can't. I get an error.

I had that problem for a while until I finally noticed that there is an "apply" button at the bottom of the page that you have to scroll down to see when you are changing your avatar. Otherwise nothing will be changed.
Henri

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: DBeves

Now that I had beta 6 on my pc - I had promised myself I wouldnt visit these forums anymore - so I could actually start playing a game. Some of the posts here actively dissuade me from playing the game. I am not blaming anyone here - its just the point that whislt an active forum is definitely a good idea ... reading some of the topics here about how the game is broken make me just want to shelve it again.

I know the feeling At times the forum is overrun by folks with less then stellar manners.
The games worth it though.

[PeeDeeAitch]

I believe over reacting is part and parcel of the internet. We have seen that here, I am sure it continue. To let this dissuade me from such would mean I would never play a game, read a forum, or do anything of the sort. As it is, when the going gets tough I retreat into inanity (see my AAR) in order to help preserve my sanity. I am old enough (and more importantly thick-skinned enough) to not let much of what is said get to me, but I do understand how it could easily make folks want to not come back.

After all, I play the "Envelop Game" for fun.

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: DBeves

Well - I take this all on board.

Cant say anything even in this thread has made me feel better about the game as there seems to be a consensus even from different sides of the fence it is in fact broken - at least as far as the GC goes - which is in fact all I am interested in. The seeming lack of any official input into the argument doesnt augur well for it being fixed anytime soon either.

Still, had a couple of friends who were going to buy but I told them to hold off - at least I know I can tell them to wait a couple of years for the field marshal edition and keep them as friends![;)]

I wouldn't call it broken so much as a little unbalanced. If you play with a decent (good person) player then you can also do house rules. In some of my first games i played with a house rule where i kept 6 armies on the east of the map to give germany a fighting chance in 42.

I will say it's still enjoyable. The only way the devs will improve the game is if we keep playing it and posting. Currently i have a kid due this week and i'm trying to play test another matrix game so i can't commit to a wite game. But once i'm back to a semi-sane life i will be in WITE like crazy. Another game like WITP that i will play for years. And if you find people you don't want to read their posts hit the green button to the right of BUDDY and it will block them.

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: PeeDeeAitch

I believe over reacting is part and parcel of the internet. We have seen that here, I am sure it continue. To let this dissuade me from such would mean I would never play a game, read a forum, or do anything of the sort. As it is, when the going gets tough I retreat into inanity (see my AAR) in order to help preserve my sanity. I am old enough (and more importantly thick-skinned enough) to not let much of what is said get to me, but I do understand how it could easily make folks want to not come back.

After all, I play the "Envelop Game" for fun.

+1

[morganbj]

Pompack is absolutely correct. Now that I've learned the model a bit better, I find that I can (using 1.02) actually maintain some fighting strength as the German for 1942 and survive the winter in relative decent shape. BUT, I have to do ahistorical actions to do that. I have to withdraw everywhere and anywhere that I see strong Soviet units forming for an attack, coupled with sheltering as many good units as I can, when I can. If I were to adopt the German strategy of not withdrawing, then I would be decimated.

To me, that IS the point though. I think the game should reflect what actually happend, if, and only if, the historical strategies are followed on both sides. Sure, there should be some variablility, but it should be relatively minor. What I see in the game is that the 1942 offensive capability for the Germans can only be recreated by doing something that the Germans simply did not do.

Now, all that said, I also don't think the game is all that much out of whack at all. Once I restart with 1.03, I'll see if the situation is a little better. I think it might be.

I'm not so sure it's the effects of the winter so much as the Germans inability to recover from them. If the effects are just slightly changed, and the recovery rate can be increased, then perhaps all will be well. I, too, have thought that a slider could solve the problem for most players.

But, to say that the game is broken is just plain silly.

That's my stroy and I'm sticking to it.

[TulliusDetritus]

ORIGINAL: henri51

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

I see a lot of people managed to change their avatars. I am trying to change mine (about time I get a GF, and the current pic might scare them away, if you know what I mean) since december but I can't. I get an error.

I had that problem for a while until I finally noticed that there is an "apply" button at the bottom of the page that you have to scroll down to see when you are changing your avatar. Otherwise nothing will be changed.
Henri

I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december [:@] I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway [:)]

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december [:@] I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway [:)]

You're certain to find a GF with this new avatar [:D]

However it's good to know it works, I had problems changing Adele for something new - no newly uplodaded pic worked, but some of those already available on the server did so I settled for this artillery icon on the left....

[TulliusDetritus]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december [:@] I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway [:)]

You're certain to find a GF with this new avatar [:D]

However it's good to know it works, I had problems changing Adele for something new - no newly uplodaded pic worked, but some of those already available on the server did so I settled for this artillery icon on the left....

Sure I will find her. And I hope a rich one (with plenty of "cash"). Does anybody know if Bill Gates has a daughter?

[jazman]

Oleg is OK. You just have to realize he's a buffoon, then his inflated hyperbole becomes amusing. It's like Bill Walton with basketball games. Once I stopped being so serious about him, I started enjoying him. It's the same with Oleg.

[bilbow]

ORIGINAL: jazman

Oleg is OK. You just have to realize he's a buffoon, then his inflated hyperbole becomes amusing. It's like Bill Walton with basketball games. Once I stopped being so serious about him, I started enjoying him. It's the same with Oleg.

Have to stick up for Oleg here. After several years of UV and WITP I can say there is no more reliable or challenging opponent on these boards. Opinionated? Sure, usually with good reason. Buffoon? No way.

Hey Oleg, I'm ready for a WITE game whenever you are.

[Oleg Mastruko]

Bill I remember our epic, multi-year (in both war and real life) game in WITP, that ended with my Japanese finally surrendering to your Allies when (if I remember correctly?) you took Saipan. It was and still is my longest played PBEM in any game, I think we went over 800+ daily turns? Probably more... We both should have gotten some sort of wargaming medal for that achievement.

I am opinionated (in a way, that's my job, as collumnist for a local PC magazine, to have an opinion and write vehemently to defend it!). However I try not to be obnoxious (god knows I try LOL).

Jazman as fan of NBA I take comparison with BW as a compliment! [;)]

Answer to original poster should be to stick with the forum and absolutely stick with the game. There's lot of fun to be had with both in it's current state with even more to come.

[Senno]

ORIGINAL: bilbow

ORIGINAL: jazman

Oleg is OK. You just have to realize he's a buffoon, then his inflated hyperbole becomes amusing. It's like Bill Walton with basketball games. Once I stopped being so serious about him, I started enjoying him. It's the same with Oleg.

Have to stick up for Oleg here. After several years of UV and WITP I can say there is no more reliable or challenging opponent on these boards. Opinionated? Sure, usually with good reason. Buffoon? No way.

Hey Oleg, I'm ready for a WITE game whenever you are.

Honestly, I think I am partly (if not totally) responsible for helping to create an environment where it is ok to bash Oleg. While anyone's opinion of anyone on this board is your own, and you are entitled to it, the casual toss-off of insults shouldn't be ok. As TD pointed out, neither Oleg or I engaged in name-calling, at least. And I never questioned that Oleg's untimate desire is to improve the games faults as he sees them.

So I am sorry for my conduct on Q-Ball's AAR the other day.

Fortunately, Oleg is a forgiving soul, and the dustup on Q-Ball's AAR has resulted in Oleg and I playing a '41 campaign game, with me as Germans. This has been great fun for me, and we are now in the third turn. I have not quite yet retreated to Berlin, but that may happen at any time.

PS: That Oleg writes for a PC mag explains a lot.

[Oleg Mastruko]

It's OK I am pretty thick skinned. I started an AAR of the game with Senno here:

tm.asp?m=2744334

Read the opening post at least (not you Senno [:D])

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

I started an AAR of the game with Senno here:

tm.asp?m=2744334

Read the opening post at least (not you Senno [:D])

Nice! [:)]

BTW, Oleg, did you start PBEM with Pieter as well?


Leo "Apollo11"

[Mynok]

thick skinned

Essential tool for surviving the internet.......

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11
BTW, Oleg, did you start PBEM with Pieter as well?

I didn't, I think Pieter is kinda angry with me because I don't feel ready to take the game as German vs his Soviets. I'd try Soviets vs him gladly, though.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
I think it finally worked!!!! Trying since december [:@] I know the "apply" thing. I got the error before. When I tried to upload the new avatar an error message appeared. Thank you anyway [:)]

You're certain to find a GF with this new avatar [:D]

However it's good to know it works, I had problems changing Adele for something new - no newly uplodaded pic worked, but some of those already available on the server did so I settled for this artillery icon on the left....

Sure I will find her. And I hope a rich one (with plenty of "cash"). Does anybody know if Bill Gates has a daughter?

He has two. Born in 1996 and 2002.