Japanese ASW

[EUBanana]

So, is anybody actually going to do anything about the forum rulebreaking beyond taking the piss, or is it really one rule for the peons and one rule for others?

Just curious. It'd make it clear where we stand on this forum if nothing else.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

"I recognize your legitimate concerns but another code change just isn't in the cards"

-Nik (ASW guy who worked it under JWE with Don and Joe C.)

Nik, as the super E don´t show up before 44, wonder if this has been overlooked and not been tested with these ships or was the consensus back then that it would be just fine?

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

So, is anybody actually going to do anything about the forum rulebreaking beyond taking the piss, or is it really one rule for the peons and one rule for others?

Just curious. It'd make it clear where we stand on this forum if nothing else.

the best thing to do would be to ask jwilkerson in regards of these things. As "one other forum member that is related to AE" has been warned and banned for some time before too I would say the rules apply to everyone here, but jwilkerson can´t see/read everything. Not that warnings or bans would help anything at all. [;)][:D]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

So, is anybody actually going to do anything about the forum rulebreaking beyond taking the piss, or is it really one rule for the peons and one rule for others?

Just curious. It'd make it clear where we stand on this forum if nothing else.

Find the forum moderator. This individual is listed on the front page of the forum. PM or email them your concerns, EUBanana. It's their forum so they need to make (and enforce if need be) the rules as they see fit.

IMO, repeated and open postulations in crude vernacular about prospective actions Matrix may or may not make are unlikely to achieve much.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

"I recognize your legitimate concerns but another code change just isn't in the cards"

-Nik (ASW guy who worked it under JWE with Don and Joe C.)

Nik, as the super E don´t show up before 44, wonder if this has been overlooked and not been tested with these ships or was the consensus back then that it would be just fine?

The issue with the E class is known and has existed since WitP Stock days. The easiest fix to it is with the editor. A code change would impact the entire ASW model, not just the E class.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

"I recognize your legitimate concerns but another code change just isn't in the cards"

-Nik (ASW guy who worked it under JWE with Don and Joe C.)

Nik, as the super E don´t show up before 44, wonder if this has been overlooked and not been tested with these ships or was the consensus back then that it would be just fine?

The issue with the E class is known and has existed since WitP Stock days. The easiest fix to it is with the editor. A code change would impact the entire ASW model, not just the E class.

thanks for the info. Yes I know, a code change would be problematic here as the "rest" of the IJN seems to work pretty much realistic when it comes down to ASW, no matter at what date.

[EUBanana]

Ah well. I'll live without my beloved subs.

Something to bear in mind when starting the next game...

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

Ah well. I'll live without my beloved subs.

Something to bear in mind when starting the next game...

or going with Da Babes light as there really seem to be quite a lot improvements. Of course, the nice comments of one of the mod devs could keep you from touching it. [;)]

[JWE]

Don’t really give a rat’s if you touch it or not. Babes and BabesLite is for those hundreds of people who want to play the game right, the majority of whom don’t bother to post on these boards.

Babes and BabesLite is a set of data driven mods with incorporated code dependencies. Rational people, expressing rational issues in a rational way are always listened to and have had significant impact in many areas.

Babes is not here to respond to the usual pissing, whining, moaning, of the main forum. The tone and tenor of those nominal complaints means they will be affirmatively ignored. And since Babes is not ‘official’, we have no problems with telling inveterate whiners to go shine a buff.

If all you want to do is whine, bitch, and moan, then Babes is not for you and, frankly, I would be very happy not having to deal with puerile, pedantic, nonsense.

If you are legitimate and rational, you will find the Babes people ready, willing, and able to answer questions and give hints and info on how data changes interact with the game algorithms (but only in the Scen Design forum).

[mjk428]

ORIGINAL: JWE

Don’t really give a rat’s if you touch it or not. Babes and BabesLite is for those hundreds of people who want to play the game right, the majority of whom don’t bother to post on these boards.

Babes and BabesLite is a set of data driven mods with incorporated code dependencies. Rational people, expressing rational issues in a rational way are always listened to and have had significant impact in many areas.

Babes is not here to respond to the usual pissing, whining, moaning, of the main forum. The tone and tenor of those nominal complaints means they will be affirmatively ignored. And since Babes is not ‘official’, we have no problems with telling inveterate whiners to go shine a buff.

If all you want to do is whine, bitch, and moan, then Babes is not for you and, frankly, I would be very happy not having to deal with puerile, pedantic, nonsense.

If you are legitimate and rational, you will find the Babes people ready, willing, and able to answer questions and give hints and info on how data changes interact with the game algorithms (but only in the Scen Design forum).

There was nothing at all irrational in EU's posts. Your response to him was totally uncalled for.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: JWE

Don’t really give a rat’s if you touch it or not. Babes and BabesLite is for those hundreds of people who want to play the game right, the majority of whom don’t bother to post on these boards.

Babes and BabesLite is a set of data driven mods with incorporated code dependencies. Rational people, expressing rational issues in a rational way are always listened to and have had significant impact in many areas.

Babes is not here to respond to the usual pissing, whining, moaning, of the main forum. The tone and tenor of those nominal complaints means they will be affirmatively ignored. And since Babes is not ‘official’, we have no problems with telling inveterate whiners to go shine a buff.

If all you want to do is whine, bitch, and moan, then Babes is not for you and, frankly, I would be very happy not having to deal with puerile, pedantic, nonsense.

If you are legitimate and rational, you will find the Babes people ready, willing, and able to answer questions and give hints and info on how data changes interact with the game algorithms (but only in the Scen Design forum).

There was nothing at all irrational in EU's posts. Your response to him was totally uncalled for.

He didn't say he was referring to EU. He was giving an overall position.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: JWE

Don’t really give a rat’s if you touch it or not. Babes and BabesLite is for those hundreds of people who want to play the game right, the majority of whom don’t bother to post on these boards.

Babes and BabesLite is a set of data driven mods with incorporated code dependencies. Rational people, expressing rational issues in a rational way are always listened to and have had significant impact in many areas.

Babes is not here to respond to the usual pissing, whining, moaning, of the main forum. The tone and tenor of those nominal complaints means they will be affirmatively ignored. And since Babes is not ‘official’, we have no problems with telling inveterate whiners to go shine a buff.

If all you want to do is whine, bitch, and moan, then Babes is not for you and, frankly, I would be very happy not having to deal with puerile, pedantic, nonsense.

If you are legitimate and rational, you will find the Babes people ready, willing, and able to answer questions and give hints and info on how data changes interact with the game algorithms (but only in the Scen Design forum). [8|]

the way you tick out all the time has a quality of it´s own. Neither EUBanana nor anyone else attacked you in any way in this thread, yet you tick out again. If you wouldn´t have one of your hysterics again you would probably be able to combine that the ppl saying IJN ASW in 44-45 is nothing but pure fantasy in stock AE must be the same that brought you to think about it earlier too? Or are you now saying it got anything to do with realism in stock from 44 on? Medical service must be quite bad these days in the US it seems. There´s no reason for posts like above´s in any way on this thread. To say it in your words, probably not many giving a rat´s about your oppinion either then as most (not all) of your posts are not rational either, or how should one read the above one? The way you answered EU Banana in this thread definately would be enough for "normal" forum members to at least get a warning, but then you don´t have to wonder why it is asked if forum rules apply to everyone or only to ppl that are not semi-Matrix guys. Thank you for such a rational post.

[Bradley7735]

ORIGINAL: mjk428

ORIGINAL: JWE

Don’t really give a rat’s if you touch it or not. Babes and BabesLite is for those hundreds of people who want to play the game right, the majority of whom don’t bother to post on these boards.

Babes and BabesLite is a set of data driven mods with incorporated code dependencies. Rational people, expressing rational issues in a rational way are always listened to and have had significant impact in many areas.

Babes is not here to respond to the usual pissing, whining, moaning, of the main forum. The tone and tenor of those nominal complaints means they will be affirmatively ignored. And since Babes is not ‘official’, we have no problems with telling inveterate whiners to go shine a buff.

If all you want to do is whine, bitch, and moan, then Babes is not for you and, frankly, I would be very happy not having to deal with puerile, pedantic, nonsense.

If you are legitimate and rational, you will find the Babes people ready, willing, and able to answer questions and give hints and info on how data changes interact with the game algorithms (but only in the Scen Design forum).

There was nothing at all irrational in EU's posts. Your response to him was totally uncalled for.

His reply was to CT, not EU. At least that's what it says in the lower corner of the post. (I'm not expressing an opinion, just want to mention the little detail in his post.)

[mjk428]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: EUBanana
Yeah... a year and a half RL into a game a restart just isn't happening. [;)]

Yeah? well neither is a code change. So you can either restart and get it done or don't do anything and keep on whining. If you keep on whining nobody will pay any attention except other whinebois anyway, so looks like the choice is yours.

Do or do not, I really don't care..

If you do not, then go to the 'nobody cares anyway' whine corner, or go not and just shut up.

Obviously if you are gonna be a dork about it, nobody is gonna pay a pinch of owl dung's worth of attention. 10 bonus points if anybody can say who, and when for that little quote.

This was the (irrational) response directly to EU.

[t001001001]

Yeha.  IRL I'd pick up my stool and break it over JWE's fat ugly old face for saying something like that.  But such is the Internet where ppl get away w/ being completely unseemly. 

JWE   Bad show old boy.

[Anonymous]

Gosh, for somebody who does not play the game and knows nobody here and has no idea what is going on your comments are oh so very relevant. Please come back some other times too when people need your helpful comments. Middle School gets out around 3:00 but you must give a half hour for the kids to get home and turn on the computers.

[ed] maybe 3:30 PST will be a good time so all the little ones are home and on line. My son thinks this forum is silly, but my two daughters like John and are waiting to give out a piece of their minds. They are 9 and 11, so they will be a match for many peoples here.

MO

[jeffk3510]

ORIGINAL: Osterhaut

Gosh, for somebody who does not play the game and knows nobody here and has no idea what is going on your comments are oh so very relevant. Please come back some other times too when people need your helpful comments. Middle School gets out around 3:00 but you must give a half hour for the kids to get home and turn on the computers.

[ed] maybe 3:30 PST will be a good time so all the little ones are home and on line. My son thinks this forum is silly, but my two daughters like John and are waiting to give out a piece of their minds. They are 9 and 11, so they will be a match for many peoples here.

MO

And your response was more mature? [:-]

[spence]

(Is it too late to contribute to this thread?)

The game judges ASW effectiveness solely on the basis of the number of weapons launchers the ship possesses and the number of times it can fire those launchers. It ignores the effectiveness of the sonars as well as how the information gained by the sonar was processed.

Japanese carriers and other large warships had radar sets by the latter half of the war but they never had a Combat Information Center/Fighter Direction Center that actually controlled the CAP. Thus Japanese CAP never improved its effectiveness much as a result of the addition of radar.

Similarly the lack of a CIC with assorted plotting devices and personnel specifically assigned to developing information for and passing information to the Captain would have negatively impacted the ability of the ship to re-acquire contact after an attack and plot an effective attack by anticipating evasive maneuvers (unless the skipper had a truly exceptional ability to plot ranges/bearings accurately in his head). The "soft weapons" get seriously underplayed by the system.

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: spence

(Is it too late to contribute to this thread?)

The game judges ASW effectiveness solely on the basis of the number of weapons launchers the ship possesses and the number of times it can fire those launchers. It ignores the effectiveness of the sonars as well as how the information gained by the sonar was processed.

Japanese carriers and other large warships had radar sets by the latter half of the war but they never had a Combat Information Center/Fighter Direction Center that actually controlled the CAP. Thus Japanese CAP never improved its effectiveness much as a result of the addition of radar.

Similarly the lack of a CIC with assorted plotting devices and personnel specifically assigned to developing information for and passing information to the Captain would have negatively impacted the ability of the ship to re-acquire contact after an attack and plot an effective attack by anticipating evasive maneuvers (unless the skipper had a truly exceptional ability to plot ranges/bearings accurately in his head). The "soft weapons" get seriously underplayed by the system.

But a modder can use the system to portray the effects of the softer systems...

You want to represent a ship with several different launchers but poor detection - lump the launchers into one single device.

You want to represent better detection equipment then give each launcher its own slot...

[witpqs]

The game judges ASW effectiveness solely on the basis of the number of weapons launchers the ship possesses and the number of times it can fire those launchers. It ignores the effectiveness of the sonars as well as how the information gained by the sonar was processed.

Spence,

I don't think that's actually so. I remember a number of developer comments that the game engine uses the type of ship (for example a DE is better than a DD), the nationality, and the year. I think I posted several other factors that I recall above (like crew quality) but I think you are taking that other stuff for granted.

The point is that the ship gets a modifier based on which navy it is in, what type of ship, and what year specifically to reflect the technology and development of doctrine.