GC 41, Mehring (SOV) Kamil (GER)

[mikemcmann]

Time for a venn diagram in words...

A: I never want to play condescending, egotistical, blow hards

B: mehring is a condescending, egotistical , blow hard

C: I never want to play mehring

Seriously dude, you have major issues.......

Kamil, you are doing fine in this game. I call it your victory if he whines and quits.....

[Mehring]

Luv ya 2 sweethart

[KamilS]

Ok, so from what I understand you say I have no chance to win regardless anything, right?

If that is so it is ok, I can live with that, especially that other guys share same opinion (although I would be curious actually to check it myself). Thing I didn't get was reaction to my withdrawal.

Just to be clear, regardless of your opinion about me, I enjoyed our game, and I write it only to say am not criticising you as a opponent or player. Well, I even almost recomend you (although it will mean not much, hehe).

I just didn't get why you reacted that way.

Now I know, it wasn't about withdrawal so I don't have to ask more. Thanks.

[Mehring]

I'd say you had a slim chance of winning if you'd stayed in Russia, absolutely none by withdrawing.

Kamil, just as I could see your frustration building with your complaints about the mud etc, mine has been building from the ease with which I was winning. I've been looking a while for a tough opponent. Blowing hard, as is apparently my way, I have won 2 of my PBEMs, am winning a third, and then there's ours. It hasn't particularly taxed me. I answered your post because you were looking for an expert opponent. I thought I was winging it, as you will see from numerous posts , I refer to my limited experience. But the Russian has chances to make mistakes and learn and I do learn from mistakes, usually quite fast.

I'm frustrated by the ease with which I'm winning games, playing either side, maybe mikemcmann wouldn't understand. I know there are players out there who can cut me down to size or give me a run for my money. I've just started new games so I'm hoping.

Annoyance aside, I wish you well, and yes, our game had its moments for me too, particularly when you outflanked my army near Nikolaev- I didn't see that coming.

[alfonso]

ORIGINAL: Kamil

Ok, so from what I understand you say I have no chance to win regardless anything, right?

If that is so it is ok, I can live with that, especially that other guys share same opinion (although I would be curious actually to check it myself). Thing I didn't get was reaction to my withdrawal.

Just to be clear, regardless of your opinion about me, I enjoyed our game, and I write it only to say am not criticising you as a opponent or player. Well, I even almost recomend you (although it will mean not much, hehe).

I just didn't get why you reacted that way.

Now I know, it wasn't about withdrawal so I don't have to ask more. Thanks.

You are right at being curious about the supposed clear USSR victory. I think you should continue until the result is clear for both players. If one player does not see it, then we have the victory conditions created by the developers to that effect. It is a pity that your opponent conceded the game so easily by quitting.

[PeeDeeAitch]

I declare this thread over and PDH the winner!

[TulliusDetritus]

ORIGINAL: PeeDeeAitch

I declare this thread over and PDH the winner!

HAHAHAHA! I hadn't seen this AAR. So a player declares his opponent has lost

Quite surrealistic. And a good laugh [8D]

P.S.: anyway, the German plan in the north was quite surrealistic too. What I don't understand is why the Soviet player did not throw many hordes against Prussia [:D]

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: PeeDeeAitch

I declare this thread over and PDH the winner!

HAHAHAHA! I hadn't seen this AAR. So a player declares his opponent has lost

Quite surrealistic. And a good laugh [8D]

P.S.: anyway, the German plan in the north was quite surrealistic too. What I don't understand is why the Soviet player did not throw many hordes against Prussia [:D]

Wish I thought of declaring myself the winner.

So I revise my previous scores. Instead of 2 losses and 1 draw, I have 3 wins.

Wow, undefeated as the Soviets. All Axis players beware........

[Mehring]

Maybe you needed to play the game to see what was happening and whether of not it was worth continuing.

I don't subscribe to the view that understanding only comes after the fact. In this case, the general outlook was predictable well in advance and I don't have the time or interest to pursue it. Anyone want to take over the game and prove it to themselves?

[alfonso]

ORIGINAL: Mehring

Maybe you needed to play the game to see what was happening and whether of not it was worth continuing.

I don't subscribe to the view that understanding only comes after the fact. In this case, the general outlook was predictable well in advance and I don't have the time or interest to pursue it. Anyone want to take over the game and prove it to themselves?

It is you and your opponent who have to decide if it is worth continuing. If he wants to continue and you don't want to, you have the option to tell him that playing further is not interesting for you, resign the game and quit.

It should be recognized that instead of you being a simple quitter, you have shown your creativity by doing that process after declaring yourself the winner: a rare occurrence in any game or sport...

[Mehring]

Ok, I'm fine with that. Having driven the Axis out of Russia in autumn 1941, I surrender! [:D]

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Mehring

Maybe you needed to play the game to see what was happening and whether of not it was worth continuing.

I don't subscribe to the view that understanding only comes after the fact. In this case, the general outlook was predictable well in advance and I don't have the time or interest to pursue it. Anyone want to take over the game and prove it to themselves?

I'm playing Mikemcmann's Germans. His position is far worse than Kamil's. End 1st blizzard I didn't manage to retake Riga but Finns bottled in Leningrad, I am sereral hexes west on Minsk and in the South I even recaptured Kishnev which is perhaps a record. Casualties 1.5M axis (lots of Rumanians though) to 2.4M good guys.

I have tried declaring myself as the winner but we are playing to historical victory conditions and he claims he's still winning! I am therefore forced to re-educate him the hard way which will be great fun......unless I fail of course and I will never hear the end of it. I don't expect much offensive action from him in '42 so it's going to be more like WW1.

To give Mike credit he's not just mouth and he will fight until Berlin falls and will undoubtedly still carry on like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail if he can. After all he's already proved to be an adept von Robin.

I'm not wasting my time playing him at all. I asked for an experienced opponent who would not give in and I got exactly what I asked for. Yes, I know the proverb.

In my German GC vs Belphegor I won't give in until the bitter end either. More to the point I don't expect Belphegor to either.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Mehring

Maybe you needed to play the game to see what was happening and whether of not it was worth continuing.

Anyone want to take over the game and prove it to themselves?

Given what I have posted, yes I will subject to the following
1 we revert to historical VPs not game ones.
2 you give me 1 turn to sort things out in which you don't advance anywhere. Neither of us does any attacks that turn either.
3 You are patient as a work overload, which is unlikely to end before August ( I'm expecting the trial in July), means I won't be that speedy unless turns don't need me to do much. I won't be able to do 1st turn until next w'end.
4 at end dec we wait for 1.04 beta patch
5 the hardest condition of all - you have (to pretend) to laugh at my jokes.

Let's see how hard you blow

[Mehring]

If you can get the password off kamil, I'll give it a bash. The slow pace is appealing as I can get on with other games. But what are historical VPs?

[sillyflower]

automatic by time Berlin fell IRL

Alternatively you set the date you expect to get auto victory and we will use that yardsick. I don't expect to last until May 45.

I will pm Kamil but perhaps you can email him if you have his address. Do you know how I get the game when I have the p/word?

[Mehring]

Actually, you'll have to get the game file from Kamil as well. I think we could restart the game before he starts his withdrawal if you like. I've deleted all my files but probably still have the email attachments if needed.

[Mehring]

ok, I got the email attachments, we can restart where you like, I'll email Kamil

[KamilS]

TulliusDetritus

P.S.: anyway, the German plan in the north was quite surrealistic too. What I don't understand is why the Soviet player did not throw many hordes against Prussia

He did throw his forces towards Riga and then Prussia, and that was effect





btw, what is the point playing that game if I "lost" (hehe)

I already knew I won't win the game, so I kept pressure on Moscow just to give Mehring chance to do some attacks. It worked 2 times, that one was most successfully. 3rd wasn't near Moscow but idea was the same.

[sillyflower]

I've got p'word from K. Suggest start G turn 18 but happy to take your advice as I'm not sure where you had got to which might make 1st snow more appropriate

[Mehring]

Either's fine by me, taking over the game you're at a disadvantage, so your choice. Take your time studying the situation and drop me a PM if you need any background information.