THE THREAD!!!

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

At the end of post-work commute today, my phone had 4% juice left on its battery. The same was true of me and my battery.

Sounds like it's time to plug in! [:D]

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

It's his pacemaker battery... this is why Kristian doesn't get involved in the Zero vs F4F arguments anymore. Several years ago he had a heart attack while typing up a snippy response! [:'(]

Relatively few people who have "heart attacks" have them because of problems that can be helped by pacemakers. It's mainly caused by obstructed blood flow, AKA ischaemia.

Remember where I work?[:'(]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

It's his pacemaker battery... this is why Kristian doesn't get involved in the Zero vs F4F arguments anymore. Several years ago he had a heart attack while typing up a snippy response! [:'(]

Relatively few people who have "heart attacks" have them because of problems that can be helped by pacemakers. It's mainly caused by obstructed blood flow, AKA ischaemia.

Remember where I work?[:'(]

People who have had heart attacks can have their cardiac conduction system damaged, thus leading for the need for a pacemaker. Without a pacemaker, the heart pumps to slowly, leading to all kinds of problems, including cardiac ischemia.

Pacemakers are more often put in due to arrythmmias due to non-acute conduction system problems, but pacemaker failure can lead to the same problems as above.

Also, some "pacemakers" are actually more properly classified as implantable defibrillators, which will shock the heart if a serious arrythmia (including total stoppage = asystole) occurs. i think some models may actually pull double duty (pacemaker and implantable defibrillator) but that might still be experimental (at least here in the USA).

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
People who have had heart attacks can have their cardiac conduction system damaged, thus leading for the need for a pacemaker. Without a pacemaker, the heart pumps to slowly, leading to all kinds of problems, including cardiac ischemia.

Pacemakers are more often put in due to arrythmmias due to non-acute conduction system problems, but pacemaker failure can lead to the same problems as above.

Also, some "pacemakers" are actually more properly classified as implantable defibrillators, which will shock the heart if a serious arrythmia (including total stoppage = asystole) occurs. i think some models may actually pull double duty (pacemaker and implantable defibrillator) but that might still be experimental (at least here in the USA).

What he said...

[DuckofTindalos]

Well, duh... My original point stands.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, duh... My original point stands.

Well, no... though i suppose your definition of "very few" might make it stand.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, duh... My original point stands.

Well, no... though i suppose your definition of "very few" might make it stand.

I suppose it could depend on your interpretation of what the vernacular 'heart attacks' means. Sudden, ischemic myocardial necrosis and myocardial death (along with the patient dying peracutely) or poor cardiac function resulting in long-term myocardial damage and-more rarely-sudden myocardial death.

The classic "Acute" versus "Acute on Chronic" manifestations of disease.

[Chickenboy]

Two more bodies pulled out of the sand dunes on Long Island...yeesh...[X(]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Well, duh... My original point stands.

Well, no... though i suppose your definition of "very few" might make it stand.

I suppose it could depend on your interpretation of what the vernacular 'heart attacks' means. Sudden, ischemic myocardial necrosis and myocardial death (along with the patient dying peracutely) or poor cardiac function resulting in long-term myocardial damage and-more rarely-sudden myocardial death.

The classic "Acute" versus "Acute on Chronic" manifestations of disease.

The "heart attack" as defined in my first pathology course:

F.A.R.T.

F = failure
A = arrythmia
R = rupture
T = Thrombosis

Lots of T, lots of A, lots of F, not much R.

EDIT: The "A" is probably vastly under-recognized... basically, you get the "negative autopsy", which is 20-30% of them in my experience. Personally, i've had several friends/acquaintances die of this - generally its a young guy drops over dead and no reason can be found. [:(] So far i haven't had any friends die of a thrombotic MI, though i suppose i can look forward to that in the next 20-30 years...[8|] [:(]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso



Well, no... though i suppose your definition of "very few" might make it stand.

I suppose it could depend on your interpretation of what the vernacular 'heart attacks' means. Sudden, ischemic myocardial necrosis and myocardial death (along with the patient dying peracutely) or poor cardiac function resulting in long-term myocardial damage and-more rarely-sudden myocardial death.

The classic "Acute" versus "Acute on Chronic" manifestations of disease.

The "heart attack" as defined in my first pathology course:

F.A.R.T.

F = failure
A = arrythmia
R = rupture
T = Thrombosis

Lots of T, lots of A, lots of F, not much R.

EDIT: The "A" is probably vastly under-recognized... basically, you get the "negative autopsy", which is 20-30% of them in my experience. Personally, i've had several friends/acquaintances die of this - generally its a young guy drops over dead and no reason can be found. [:(] So far i haven't had any friends die of a thrombotic MI, though i suppose i can look forward to that in the next 20-30 years...[8|] [:(]

Hand in hand with the 'arrythmia' cause has got to be neurogenic causes of arterial constriction. Doesn't 'arrythmia' go beyond the aFib / vFib / nodal causes of dysrhytmia? [&:]

My MIL has had this problem for years-she's lived through three neurogenic heart attacks. No blockage / thrombosis, no hemorrhage but when one of her coronary arteries is tickled the right way it squeezes tighter than an AFB's backside on December 7 at Pearl. Nerve input is critical for vascular function. Vascular function is pretty important (read: understatement) for myocardial health.

Then again, rtrapasso-when did you take your very first pathology course? Did they know about these causes of myocardial disease or were these cardiac insults classified as "rock"? Different causes of cardiac diseases=rock, mud, stick and grunt. Good 'ole rock-nothing beats rock. [:'(]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



I suppose it could depend on your interpretation of what the vernacular 'heart attacks' means. Sudden, ischemic myocardial necrosis and myocardial death (along with the patient dying peracutely) or poor cardiac function resulting in long-term myocardial damage and-more rarely-sudden myocardial death.

The classic "Acute" versus "Acute on Chronic" manifestations of disease.

The "heart attack" as defined in my first pathology course:

F.A.R.T.

F = failure
A = arrythmia
R = rupture
T = Thrombosis

Lots of T, lots of A, lots of F, not much R.

EDIT: The "A" is probably vastly under-recognized... basically, you get the "negative autopsy", which is 20-30% of them in my experience. Personally, i've had several friends/acquaintances die of this - generally its a young guy drops over dead and no reason can be found. [:(] So far i haven't had any friends die of a thrombotic MI, though i suppose i can look forward to that in the next 20-30 years...[8|] [:(]

Hand in hand with the 'arrythmia' cause has got to be neurogenic causes of arterial constriction. Doesn't 'arrythmia' go beyond the aFib / vFib / nodal causes of dysrhytmia? [&:]

My MIL has had this problem for years-she's lived through three neurogenic heart attacks. No blockage / thrombosis, no hemorrhage but when one of her coronary arteries is tickled the right way it squeezes tighter than an AFB's backside on December 7 at Pearl. Nerve input is critical for vascular function. Vascular function is pretty important (read: understatement) for myocardial health.

Then again, rtrapasso-when did you take your very first pathology course? Did they know about these causes of myocardial disease or were these cardiac insults classified as "rock"? Different causes of cardiac diseases=rock, mud, stick and grunt. Good 'ole rock-nothing beats rock. [:'(]

Been a number of years since i took it (1974, but of course i continue reading on the subject of pathology to this day), but yes, "neurogenic" causes were known... one name is "Prinzmetal" angina - spasm of the coronary artery, with various causes (smoking being right up there, imo).

i had a friend die of this: it causes heart/chest pain, but you die of arrhythmia* (i.e. - you go into ventricular fibrillation or just asystole). No coronary thrombosis. The friend who died smoked a lot, and when he started getting some chest pain, he took one more puff... unfortunately his last. [:(] [:(] Negative autopsy (i.e. - no thrombosis, etc.) There are a host of causes of arrythmias beside arterial spasm (many congenital).

The cause in his case was (probably) nicotine/smoking, which can effect the nervous system, but smoking also causes relative hypoxia and has a host of other chemicals which can also do strange things. Hypoxia can sometimes cause muscle spasm (witness "Charley Horse" cramps in the undercirculated leg.)

While you might call it "neurogenic", the mechanism in most cases of the coronary arterial spasm is unknown (in humans... not sure about chickens.)

*EDIT - well, often die from arrythmia. If there is prolonged spasm and you manage to stay alive, you can cause actual infarction.

[DivePac88]

Morning tithe, looks like the thread is full of Doctors. [8|]

[DivePac88]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: scott1964

Two bruised thumbs and jammed finger. [:@]

Someone punch you in the nose? [:D]

JUST KIDDING!

No... That is how you feel, when you lose a carrier.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

Morning tithe, looks like the thread is full of Doctors. [8|]

Sorry! [:o]

[DivePac88]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

Morning tithe, looks like the thread is full of Doctors. [8|]

Sorry! [:o]

No, no... I like doctors, spend a lot of time with them at present. But I normally find them stiff, and a bit serious. So it is good for me to see you guys joking around some. [:)]

[stuman]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Very interesting... [X(]


A Day Made of Glass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38


Leo "Apollo11"

Cool! [8D]

Their house is waay to neat and tidy.

And the dad is too wide awake and cheerful in the morning.

And the kids seems to be ready for school on time.

That is a robot family.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: stuman

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Very interesting... [X(]


A Day Made of Glass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38


Leo "Apollo11"

Cool! [8D]

Their house is waay to neat and tidy.

And the dad is too wide awake and cheerful in the morning.

And the kids seems to be ready for school on time.

That is a robot family.

[:D] My wife commented that it smacked eerily of 'Bladerunner'. My only question when I saw this (and them 'sleeping' was, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" [;)]

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

Zssssssss time...


Leo "Apollo11"

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

Morning tithe, looks like the thread is full of Doctors. [8|]

Sorry! [:o]

No, no... I like doctors, spend a lot of time with them at present. But I normally find them stiff, and a bit serious. So it is good for me to see you guys joking around some. [:)]

Well...technically they are a pathologist and a veterinarian, so really it kinda is a part of their job descriptions to have a sense of humor. Germs and animals for goodness sakes......[:'(]

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: Mynok

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso



Sorry! [:o]

No, no... I like doctors, spend a lot of time with them at present. But I normally find them stiff, and a bit serious. So it is good for me to see you guys joking around some. [:)]

Well...technically they are a pathologist and a veterinarian, so really it kinda is a part of their job descriptions to have a sense of humor. Germs and animals for goodness sakes......[:'(]

The two thing martians dislike most.... [:D]