2/6/42 and 2/7/42
Thanks for the comments, gents. In particular, I'm glad to see Nemo posting. I haven't seen him around in weeks.
Eastern DEI: The Mini-KB is on the move again, and once again is split between the force moving west from Kendari towards the Java Sea and a force still at Kendari. (Oh, that my opponent continues this trend long enough for me to pounce on him when the American carriers arrive!). All Allied bombers in the area on set to strike, with fighters set to escort. This includes the 30 A-24 bombers based at Soerabaja. Not sure where this Mini-KB is heading yet. I suspect it's a raid through the Java Sea. That's risk taking, in my opinion.
Westeren DEI: Another UK brigade has unloaded at Oosthaven and will depart for Palembang. A Brit base force and an Indian engineer unit will unload tonight. A Brit recce unit will arrive at Oosthaven as soon as tomorrow. More troops are on the way.
Bay of Bengal: Nemo, I read you on Port Blair, but I think the circumstances are a bit different and make reinforcing worthwhile. Here's my thinking: Steve should take Singapore in a about a month or less, I'm guessing. At that point I think he'll consider his options, which could include a move into the Bay of Bengal or an invasion of southern Sumatra by sailing through the Malacca Straits rather than through the Sunda Strait. If I put the Aussie brigade at Port Blair, I'll have roughly 250 AV. That will stop - or very seriously drag out - all but a mammoth invasion. I think it will frustrate Steve. Also, if Japan focues on Oz (or, far less likely, Hawaii), I want to be in a position to invade Burma or Malaya as a counter. To do so, I need to hold Port Blair. Right now that base has 100 AV made up of part of an Indian brigade and some of the Burma units. An Aussie brigade would more than double that in quantity and in quality. Nevertheless, I think enough of Nemo's advice to mull this over more while the Aussie brigade is on the way (it's still up in the Aden channel).
SoPac: The Japanese have landed a few naval guards and other small units at Noumea. They failed to take the base on the first attack. Other IJ units have taken Koumac and Luganville.
China: More IJA troops on the way to the Changsha front (though I'm not 100% sure that's the target, yet). The Allies have 3,700 AV at Changsha behind 4.82 forts. More troops are on the way and I'm hoping I can get the forts to five before the enemy attacks.
Auto Victory: I'm not convinced Steve is trying for an auto-victory, but if he is there's probably only one route open to him now, given current deployments and strengths. He could try to conquer China, pick off some high value bases (Noumea, Auckland, Suva) and try a massive strategic bombing campaign against Oz. I'm not sure that's what's he's up to, but it's a possibility.
Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! Chez (J) vs. Canoe (A)
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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P.S. In reading through recent posts, I think Nemo may have gotten the impression that I haven't committed Australian troops to Sumatra (see my post 427 above for something that might give that impression). Actually, I was referring in that post to Australian troops that begin the game in Oz. I have indeed decided not to commit them to Sumatra. But as for the Australian troops that start elsewehre, most of then have been or will be committed. I currently have one Aussie division (the one that arrived at Aden in January) in Sumatra. The second is just now beginning to arrive at Aden - the first of those brigades is currently bound for Port Blair (unless I change my mind). Also, of course, there's the two Aussie brigades in Singapore, which turned out to be a good use of them (as discussed in recent posts).
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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2/8/42
Tale of the Dragon: On 12/13/41, RN CL Dragon was badly damaged in the Battle of Singkawang (a tactical draw, but an important strategic victory for the Allies). I did not think Dragon could make port, and once or twice she changed course due to various threats, until I ordered her to steam to Ketapang disregarding any threat level. She made Ketapang and remained there, undetected while various Mini-KB's sailed by over the course of the next six weeks. Finally, she lowered FLT damage into the 50s and her speed was up to 9 (from a low of 2). I decided to try to get her to Soerabaja, though I knew the odds were long. Sure enough, she ran across a sub on the way. Two torpedoes finished her off.
Eastern DEI: A Mini-KB is has moved south (actually SE) of Java and is steaming west as though she is on the trail of the Allied shipping in and around Cocos Island. That base is distant enough that I think I can clear everything out of the way (it's more likely that Steve is on a cruise seeking whatever targets he might find). Oh, that my carriers were present! He shouldn't be acting so cavilierly (my word for it) with his carriers! I want to make him pay.
Western DEI: An engineer unit landed at Oosthaven and will report to Palembang to help with fort building. Current AVs and forts: Palemband 1320 (3.36); Oosthaven 638 (3.0); Prabaemolith 164 (2.10); Djambi 24 (1.06); Benkolen 107 (1.06); Padang 136 (2.16). Still no attacks at Singapore, where the Allied AV is up to 951, since the bad (for Japan) attack on January 10.
Port Blair: Allied AV up to about 108 with two forts.
India: A marine raider battalion arrived at Capetown and will be sent to Bombay (the first of what will be a long line of American troops sent to India, either to help defend or as a staging base for future operations in SEAC).
China: More IJ troops on the way to the Changsha front (though Steve may ultimately move on Hengyang or the base between Changsha and Hengyang). The Allies have 3500 AV at Hengyang, 3700 AV at Changsha, and one unit at the base in between (important, because it is building forts and defending against para assault). I have the inside lines here, so I can shift troops between the bases easier than Steve can. Forts at Changsha are up to 4.87, so it looks like the base will make five before the enemy can attack. Most of my troops are 100% prepped for Changsha, though four are prepped 100% for Chengte (I just moved them from there).
American Carriers: Lex and Sara are nearing the south end of Tasmania; York and Ent are two days behind. These ships will refuel at Adelaide and then move into the Indian Ocean.
Tale of the Dragon: On 12/13/41, RN CL Dragon was badly damaged in the Battle of Singkawang (a tactical draw, but an important strategic victory for the Allies). I did not think Dragon could make port, and once or twice she changed course due to various threats, until I ordered her to steam to Ketapang disregarding any threat level. She made Ketapang and remained there, undetected while various Mini-KB's sailed by over the course of the next six weeks. Finally, she lowered FLT damage into the 50s and her speed was up to 9 (from a low of 2). I decided to try to get her to Soerabaja, though I knew the odds were long. Sure enough, she ran across a sub on the way. Two torpedoes finished her off.
Eastern DEI: A Mini-KB is has moved south (actually SE) of Java and is steaming west as though she is on the trail of the Allied shipping in and around Cocos Island. That base is distant enough that I think I can clear everything out of the way (it's more likely that Steve is on a cruise seeking whatever targets he might find). Oh, that my carriers were present! He shouldn't be acting so cavilierly (my word for it) with his carriers! I want to make him pay.
Western DEI: An engineer unit landed at Oosthaven and will report to Palembang to help with fort building. Current AVs and forts: Palemband 1320 (3.36); Oosthaven 638 (3.0); Prabaemolith 164 (2.10); Djambi 24 (1.06); Benkolen 107 (1.06); Padang 136 (2.16). Still no attacks at Singapore, where the Allied AV is up to 951, since the bad (for Japan) attack on January 10.
Port Blair: Allied AV up to about 108 with two forts.
India: A marine raider battalion arrived at Capetown and will be sent to Bombay (the first of what will be a long line of American troops sent to India, either to help defend or as a staging base for future operations in SEAC).
China: More IJ troops on the way to the Changsha front (though Steve may ultimately move on Hengyang or the base between Changsha and Hengyang). The Allies have 3500 AV at Hengyang, 3700 AV at Changsha, and one unit at the base in between (important, because it is building forts and defending against para assault). I have the inside lines here, so I can shift troops between the bases easier than Steve can. Forts at Changsha are up to 4.87, so it looks like the base will make five before the enemy can attack. Most of my troops are 100% prepped for Changsha, though four are prepped 100% for Chengte (I just moved them from there).
American Carriers: Lex and Sara are nearing the south end of Tasmania; York and Ent are two days behind. These ships will refuel at Adelaide and then move into the Indian Ocean.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Canoerebel,
You might think if something like that happened ( an intentional OPSEC breach ) that you'd be able to continue on happily. I, personally, found that while that's what I tried I found that every time a trap I'd laid was avoided because of the OPSEC breach my enjoyment of the game just leeched away. I think an OPSEC breach in AE will end up being terminal because this game just takes too long and is too involved for an OPSEC breach to be overcome or just written off as "one of those things". The OPSEC breach is also the reason for my absence... It is hard to get enthused about something when someone willfully comes along and ruins it [:(][:(][:(][:(]. Especially since he has given every indication that if I play another game he'll do the same. Add in the fact that he is still welcome and deeply involved in various mods etc - why they'd be willing to associate with a self-confessed cheat is beyond me - and my general level of enthusiasm for AE and the AE community is about zero right now. [:(]
I read your AAR, PzB/AndyMacs and jrcar's. That's it.
Now back to nicer topics....
As re: the Ozzies. Ah, I missed that. I found the same issue with my game in the same scenario. I squared the circle by committing the 2nd wave of Ozzies ( previously restricted Ozzies ) to the southern DEI region. I didn't end up committing most of them to Sumatra but, instead, committed them to closing off the Southern Borneon route into Java/Northern Oz by pushing relatively aggressively forward.
Re: Port Blair:
I've recently been subjected to serious ground bombing campaigns in AE and the effect of the disruption on units is unreal. The only defence, IMO, apart from massive forts is to have so many units that only a couple of them get disrupted, leaving another 4 or 5 units undisrupted to bear the burden of the defence. My rule of thumb is that IF the enemy really wants somewhere then the first two units in the defending stack will be 80% disrupted by bombing raids.
So, 250 AV spread between 2 large units could find itself reduced to just 50 AV of effective combat power. I, personally, think the air to ground combat model is off and should spread lesser amounts of disruption over more units but with the current combat model I just don't think 250 AV in Port Blair would be able to hold vs a serious Japanese invasion. Given that only a serious Japanese thrust would make it to Port Blair it stands to reason ( to me ) that Port Blair will fall under such circumstances.
Overall though I don't think you really need to worry about this. CDJ isn't, IMO, a deep strike kind of guy. I think we're far more likely to see him continue the Phillipines operation, extending through Borneo and then hitting Java/Sumatra - at which point in time ( Sumatra ) his offensive will get sucked into the quagmire ( if you've poured in sufficient forces - which it just about looks like you're doing... I'd be more comfortable if you were going all in here but I think you'll commit enough to hold vs CDJ ) and he'll prove unable to come up with a new strategy. He'll just commit more and more to the Sumatra region.
It'll come down to, IMO, whether you have enough troops there to hold by the time he commits KB and Netties ( based in Java, which he will take ) and cuts off the possibility of further reinforcements ( although, to be fair, I set up two very useful airbridges you should look into:
a) India to Rangoon to Port Blair to Northern Sumatra to Palembang: Using C47s etc.
b) Darwin to one of the island bases south of Southern Java and from that base into Oosthaven: Using floatplanes.
I committed almost every PBY/Catalina and EVERY transport on the map to this task and was able to fly in a Bde a week by February 42 - that's about 400 AV per month, which over 2 or 3 months quickly adds up to a very sizeable force.... I was then able to load remaining heavy items on to fast APs/AKs and rush them in with minimal risk in heavily escorted, small TFs, which were able to go unspotted despite numerous IJA and IJN recon units operating out of Singers.
You might think if something like that happened ( an intentional OPSEC breach ) that you'd be able to continue on happily. I, personally, found that while that's what I tried I found that every time a trap I'd laid was avoided because of the OPSEC breach my enjoyment of the game just leeched away. I think an OPSEC breach in AE will end up being terminal because this game just takes too long and is too involved for an OPSEC breach to be overcome or just written off as "one of those things". The OPSEC breach is also the reason for my absence... It is hard to get enthused about something when someone willfully comes along and ruins it [:(][:(][:(][:(]. Especially since he has given every indication that if I play another game he'll do the same. Add in the fact that he is still welcome and deeply involved in various mods etc - why they'd be willing to associate with a self-confessed cheat is beyond me - and my general level of enthusiasm for AE and the AE community is about zero right now. [:(]
I read your AAR, PzB/AndyMacs and jrcar's. That's it.
Now back to nicer topics....
As re: the Ozzies. Ah, I missed that. I found the same issue with my game in the same scenario. I squared the circle by committing the 2nd wave of Ozzies ( previously restricted Ozzies ) to the southern DEI region. I didn't end up committing most of them to Sumatra but, instead, committed them to closing off the Southern Borneon route into Java/Northern Oz by pushing relatively aggressively forward.
Re: Port Blair:
I've recently been subjected to serious ground bombing campaigns in AE and the effect of the disruption on units is unreal. The only defence, IMO, apart from massive forts is to have so many units that only a couple of them get disrupted, leaving another 4 or 5 units undisrupted to bear the burden of the defence. My rule of thumb is that IF the enemy really wants somewhere then the first two units in the defending stack will be 80% disrupted by bombing raids.
So, 250 AV spread between 2 large units could find itself reduced to just 50 AV of effective combat power. I, personally, think the air to ground combat model is off and should spread lesser amounts of disruption over more units but with the current combat model I just don't think 250 AV in Port Blair would be able to hold vs a serious Japanese invasion. Given that only a serious Japanese thrust would make it to Port Blair it stands to reason ( to me ) that Port Blair will fall under such circumstances.
Overall though I don't think you really need to worry about this. CDJ isn't, IMO, a deep strike kind of guy. I think we're far more likely to see him continue the Phillipines operation, extending through Borneo and then hitting Java/Sumatra - at which point in time ( Sumatra ) his offensive will get sucked into the quagmire ( if you've poured in sufficient forces - which it just about looks like you're doing... I'd be more comfortable if you were going all in here but I think you'll commit enough to hold vs CDJ ) and he'll prove unable to come up with a new strategy. He'll just commit more and more to the Sumatra region.
It'll come down to, IMO, whether you have enough troops there to hold by the time he commits KB and Netties ( based in Java, which he will take ) and cuts off the possibility of further reinforcements ( although, to be fair, I set up two very useful airbridges you should look into:
a) India to Rangoon to Port Blair to Northern Sumatra to Palembang: Using C47s etc.
b) Darwin to one of the island bases south of Southern Java and from that base into Oosthaven: Using floatplanes.
I committed almost every PBY/Catalina and EVERY transport on the map to this task and was able to fly in a Bde a week by February 42 - that's about 400 AV per month, which over 2 or 3 months quickly adds up to a very sizeable force.... I was then able to load remaining heavy items on to fast APs/AKs and rush them in with minimal risk in heavily escorted, small TFs, which were able to go unspotted despite numerous IJA and IJN recon units operating out of Singers.
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Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
CR - Are you running outside supply into Sumatra/Palemband or are you relying on the local production? Nemo brings up the point of if Chez commits the KB Sumatra will be basically isolated.
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At the moment I'm relying totally on Palembang to generate supply. I'm using transports with "load troops only" so that I can get troops from India to Sumatra as quickly as possible.
I am not yet sure whether I need to tote supplies to Sumatra. Palembang currently has about 65k and the amount has been growing despite the presence of 2,350 AV in eastern Sumatra. I am concerend about the possibility that Japan will be able to gain air superiority and then knock down (or even out) supplies. I'm just now getting engineers to Palemang and Oosthaven to help with airfield and fortification building. Right now, though, Steve could close those airfields if he really tried. I have plenty of planes, but not enough airfield levels to handle them.
I am not yet sure whether I need to tote supplies to Sumatra. Palembang currently has about 65k and the amount has been growing despite the presence of 2,350 AV in eastern Sumatra. I am concerend about the possibility that Japan will be able to gain air superiority and then knock down (or even out) supplies. I'm just now getting engineers to Palemang and Oosthaven to help with airfield and fortification building. Right now, though, Steve could close those airfields if he really tried. I have plenty of planes, but not enough airfield levels to handle them.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
If you have the docking space it could not hurt to run supply in. just use the little xAKL's You should have a bunch with short range and you don't want to leave any supply in the DEI for your opponent. If you stripped Java it's not going to last long anyway.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
I'm going to post an update in a moment, but first a note about OpSec. I am aware of the occasional OpSec breaches, in particular the one in Nemo's game (though I wasn't aware who had committed it). Yet I still post in great detail in my AARs. This is because I derive as much pleasure from writing an AAR as I do playing the game. I'm not sure I could play without writing an AAR, so I'm willing to take the risk. In the unlikely event of an OpSec failure, I would simply try to revise my plans to somehow re-achieve some surprise.
So...thanks for reading because that makes the writing even more enjoyable.
I've written AArs for other games in the past but I'm currently writing one for my first WiTP PBEM. I find that, aside from it being a lot of fun to do, I also tend to focus and think about what's going on far more than I would otherwise. I think doing an AAR is a great way to improve as a player and not just from the extra input you receive from other people.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: Ossian
I've written AArs for other games in the past but I'm currently writing one for my first WiTP PBEM. I find that, aside from it being a lot of fun to do, I also tend to focus and think about what's going on far more than I would otherwise. I think doing an AAR is a great way to improve as a player and not just from the extra input you receive from other people.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Dan, I just re-read through Chez' whole AAR, and I see no OPSEC violations. The two closest were where one fellow asked him his timeline for SRA acquisition (that was the entirety of his post) and a post of mine after he told us of re-routing those troops to the PI from their original destinations. I just asked him if it was a good idea to change his original plans (and gave no indication of what you were doing).
I believe that it is possible to participate in both AARs without revealing any secrets. One just has to be careful of what one says.
I believe that it is possible to participate in both AARs without revealing any secrets. One just has to be careful of what one says.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: Nemo121
You might think if something like that happened ( an intentional OPSEC breach ) that you'd be able to continue on happily. I, personally, found that while that's what I tried I found that every time a trap I'd laid was avoided because of the OPSEC breach my enjoyment of the game just leeched away. I think an OPSEC breach in AE will end up being terminal because this game just takes too long and is too involved for an OPSEC breach to be overcome or just written off as "one of those things". The OPSEC breach is also the reason for my absence... It is hard to get enthused about something when someone willfully comes along and ruins it [:(][:(][:(][:(]. Especially since he has given every indication that if I play another game he'll do the same. Add in the fact that he is still welcome and deeply involved in various mods etc - why they'd be willing to associate with a self-confessed cheat is beyond me - and my general level of enthusiasm for AE and the AE community is about zero right now. [:(]
That stinks to be sure. Just FYI, I only found out that it was him in your post just a bit farther up in this thread. Perhaps many others are like me: I don't even attempt to read all of the threads in the AE forum. Lots of folks might not know and just think he's one of the guys.
Why in heck would he indicate he would do it again? That makes no sense whatever. I mean real sense, of course.
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Thanks, Brad. I haven't detected any signs of an OpSec breach in my AAR nor (from what little I can tell from this side of the game) in Steve's.
It's also worth mentioning that an AAR can sometimes come across as somewhat critical of an opponent when people are frankly discussing his play. That's just the nature of the beast, I suppose. Steve is a real gentleman, so I don't want to appear to be criticizing him personally, though as the game develops I form opinions about his experience, skill, etc. (and he does the same of me, no doubt).
It's also worth mentioning that an AAR can sometimes come across as somewhat critical of an opponent when people are frankly discussing his play. That's just the nature of the beast, I suppose. Steve is a real gentleman, so I don't want to appear to be criticizing him personally, though as the game develops I form opinions about his experience, skill, etc. (and he does the same of me, no doubt).
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2/9/42
Eastern DEI: Mini-KB remains a few hexes south of Soerabaja. CL Caledon was torpedoed in the Sunda Strait. She suffered light damage and will make for Colombo.
Western DEI: One engineer unit arrived at Palembang. The second will arrive at Oosthaven in two days. Two Aussie brigades just arrived at Aden. I set them to prep for Benkolen and they will board ships in two days. (I'm still debating whether to change prep for the other Aussie brigade currently bound for Port Blair; if I do, I'd send it to Benkolen or Oosthaven). All quiet at Singapore, where the Allied AV is up to 956. Steve is reconning more bases over the past few days, including Palembang, Djambi, and Prabaemolith. So he knows something big is up.
Burma: The Japanese took vacant Pegu. I wish I had enough political points to send reinforcements to Rangoon, but everything's going to Sumatra. So I'm pulling out of Rangoon.
China: At least 26 IJA units advancing on Changsha. I'm guessing that the AV will be somewhere near 4,000 when all is said and done. The Chinese will have that much or more. Forts are up to 4.92, so good progress there.
Luzon: A fourth divisions (53rd) arrived at Clark Field. The Japanese attacked at 1:3 odds, dropped forts to 3, and suffered disproporitionately heavy casualties. Steve will have to rest his troops somewhere between 3 to 5 days I think, but he's making progress now. I think he'll come full bore for Singapore and Sumatra as soon as he finsihes Clark and Bataan. I probably have at least a month, perhaps more (including travel time).
Eastern DEI: Mini-KB remains a few hexes south of Soerabaja. CL Caledon was torpedoed in the Sunda Strait. She suffered light damage and will make for Colombo.
Western DEI: One engineer unit arrived at Palembang. The second will arrive at Oosthaven in two days. Two Aussie brigades just arrived at Aden. I set them to prep for Benkolen and they will board ships in two days. (I'm still debating whether to change prep for the other Aussie brigade currently bound for Port Blair; if I do, I'd send it to Benkolen or Oosthaven). All quiet at Singapore, where the Allied AV is up to 956. Steve is reconning more bases over the past few days, including Palembang, Djambi, and Prabaemolith. So he knows something big is up.
Burma: The Japanese took vacant Pegu. I wish I had enough political points to send reinforcements to Rangoon, but everything's going to Sumatra. So I'm pulling out of Rangoon.
China: At least 26 IJA units advancing on Changsha. I'm guessing that the AV will be somewhere near 4,000 when all is said and done. The Chinese will have that much or more. Forts are up to 4.92, so good progress there.
Luzon: A fourth divisions (53rd) arrived at Clark Field. The Japanese attacked at 1:3 odds, dropped forts to 3, and suffered disproporitionately heavy casualties. Steve will have to rest his troops somewhere between 3 to 5 days I think, but he's making progress now. I think he'll come full bore for Singapore and Sumatra as soon as he finsihes Clark and Bataan. I probably have at least a month, perhaps more (including travel time).
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
53rd div is bought out from the home islands if I recall correctly which is around 1500+ pp'S. What are you guys doing with respect to using the two cheap buyout HQ's, 11th air flotilla for the IJA and 1st Amphib corps for the US
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
witpqs,
I agree but sometimes people don't make sense. It would appear that because I changed my plans in that game AFTER being told by someone that OPSEC had been breached ( the first time he breached it to my opponent ) this, in his mind, proved that I must be cheating. And since I'm a cheat he is, always, justified in ruining any game I play by breaching FOW to "help" my opponents because this judge, jury and executioner is, obviously, infallible.
It is a major example of circular logic of course and all rests on the basis that no-one on this forum would ever raise a concern to a player if they saw OPSEC being breached in that player's opponent's AAR. Obviously though it is relatively common on the forum for people to raise concerns if they are concerned about OPSEC. So, that explains why he did it the 2nd time.
The first time, according to him, was because I was correctly determining what my opponent would do and therefore MUST be cheating. It appears that actually just being good is impossible.
To be honest I'm sickened by the whole thing and the fact that he is still strutting around here, working on mods and being hailed as a fine fellow.
I agree but sometimes people don't make sense. It would appear that because I changed my plans in that game AFTER being told by someone that OPSEC had been breached ( the first time he breached it to my opponent ) this, in his mind, proved that I must be cheating. And since I'm a cheat he is, always, justified in ruining any game I play by breaching FOW to "help" my opponents because this judge, jury and executioner is, obviously, infallible.
It is a major example of circular logic of course and all rests on the basis that no-one on this forum would ever raise a concern to a player if they saw OPSEC being breached in that player's opponent's AAR. Obviously though it is relatively common on the forum for people to raise concerns if they are concerned about OPSEC. So, that explains why he did it the 2nd time.
The first time, according to him, was because I was correctly determining what my opponent would do and therefore MUST be cheating. It appears that actually just being good is impossible.
To be honest I'm sickened by the whole thing and the fact that he is still strutting around here, working on mods and being hailed as a fine fellow.
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Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
2/10/42
Eastern DEI: The Mini-KB is split (that's dangerous, dangerous, dangerous for Steve to do so often; I hope he keeps it up!). One part is west of Makassar, the other is south of Java and nearing Tjilitjap. Thus far, Allied air has peformed very poorly. But this force, which includes Ryujo, Zuiho, Fuso, and Ise, is drawing near to my bases, so I've transferred Indomitable and Hermes torpedo bombers to Oosthaven, where I have a torp Air HQ. I've also loaded up nearby bases, including Batavia and Tjilitjap, with my best bombers and fighters. This isn't altogether a hoax, as the Allies have about 100 decent American fighers in the area now. It would take great luck for Albacores and Stringbags to score, but it's worth a shot.
Western DEI: I had an engineer unit approaching Oosthaven, but I'll have to scramble the transports west to flee the oncoming (I think) Mini-KB. Singapore looks good with 956 AV. Port Blair has about 120 AV. The Indian engineer at Palembang helped raise forts from 3.38 to 3.41 in one day, so at that pace forts will reach 4 in 20 days, a big improvement. The prep for many of the infantry units at Palembang is between 60 and 80 now, though there are some laggards with far less.
China: Steve is indeed moving his stack of about 26 units into Changsha, which suits me as that's the best place I can fight. Forts are up to 4.97 and should reach 5 tomorrow. Allied AV is 3981 with about 600 more on the way. I hope he attacks and I hope it decimates his army. If it should decimate mine...well, I'd be hurting.
SoPac: Steve has moved faster than I expected, gnawing off Luganville, Koumac, Noumea, and now Norfolk Island in quick order. This has gone against his tendency to move methodically. I give him credit to eliminating much of the buffer zone that gave me some comfort. But I'm much more concerned about other areas, so I'm not committing any forces. Auckland, by the way, has 450 AV, so it would take a couple of divisions to take her in a reasonable amount of time. I wouldn't mind Steve devoting part of his core corps to such an endeavor if it weakened him in more important venues.
Nemo: It would drive me crazy to deal with somebody who wrongly questioned my honor, wouldn't listen to any reason or sense, and was treated with respect by others. I doubt many people know what you've been facing (I didn't until just a few days ago - nothing, I mean, beyond the general info that you'd suffered an OpSec violation). I don't blame you for chewing nails (if that's a fair term for it), but everyone who really knows your reputation and skill, which is nearly all the regulars, have no questions about you whatsoever. Other than the fact that you use big words and think in ways some of us can't quite wrap our minds around, that is.
Eastern DEI: The Mini-KB is split (that's dangerous, dangerous, dangerous for Steve to do so often; I hope he keeps it up!). One part is west of Makassar, the other is south of Java and nearing Tjilitjap. Thus far, Allied air has peformed very poorly. But this force, which includes Ryujo, Zuiho, Fuso, and Ise, is drawing near to my bases, so I've transferred Indomitable and Hermes torpedo bombers to Oosthaven, where I have a torp Air HQ. I've also loaded up nearby bases, including Batavia and Tjilitjap, with my best bombers and fighters. This isn't altogether a hoax, as the Allies have about 100 decent American fighers in the area now. It would take great luck for Albacores and Stringbags to score, but it's worth a shot.
Western DEI: I had an engineer unit approaching Oosthaven, but I'll have to scramble the transports west to flee the oncoming (I think) Mini-KB. Singapore looks good with 956 AV. Port Blair has about 120 AV. The Indian engineer at Palembang helped raise forts from 3.38 to 3.41 in one day, so at that pace forts will reach 4 in 20 days, a big improvement. The prep for many of the infantry units at Palembang is between 60 and 80 now, though there are some laggards with far less.
China: Steve is indeed moving his stack of about 26 units into Changsha, which suits me as that's the best place I can fight. Forts are up to 4.97 and should reach 5 tomorrow. Allied AV is 3981 with about 600 more on the way. I hope he attacks and I hope it decimates his army. If it should decimate mine...well, I'd be hurting.
SoPac: Steve has moved faster than I expected, gnawing off Luganville, Koumac, Noumea, and now Norfolk Island in quick order. This has gone against his tendency to move methodically. I give him credit to eliminating much of the buffer zone that gave me some comfort. But I'm much more concerned about other areas, so I'm not committing any forces. Auckland, by the way, has 450 AV, so it would take a couple of divisions to take her in a reasonable amount of time. I wouldn't mind Steve devoting part of his core corps to such an endeavor if it weakened him in more important venues.
Nemo: It would drive me crazy to deal with somebody who wrongly questioned my honor, wouldn't listen to any reason or sense, and was treated with respect by others. I doubt many people know what you've been facing (I didn't until just a few days ago - nothing, I mean, beyond the general info that you'd suffered an OpSec violation). I don't blame you for chewing nails (if that's a fair term for it), but everyone who really knows your reputation and skill, which is nearly all the regulars, have no questions about you whatsoever. Other than the fact that you use big words and think in ways some of us can't quite wrap our minds around, that is.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
I don't post much in the Forum, and don't spend time reading a lot of AARs other than those of a select few. The first Forum message I ever read was one by Nemo and it helped me greatly in understanding part of the original WitP. I have thus always been partial to things he says even when he gets a little pompous (sorry Nemo, that's the way it sometimes sounds). He teaches the game. For that I am grateful.
As to the FatR incident, I will remain neutral as I don't have neither a dog in that fight nor know the circumstances surrounding it. But, I will always appreciate the game analyzing ability of Nemo and appreciate the time and effort of good AAR writers like CR and Cuttlefish. I'd never do anything to compromise an AAR's author. They put too much time and effort in the game for me to consider compromising their efforts. Thanks, CR, for opening you forum to your strategic thinking and game execution.
Now, go out there and sink the hell outta both those reduced Mini-KBs. That is a great opportunity to snatch a tool out of the enemy's hand and bash him about with it.
As to the FatR incident, I will remain neutral as I don't have neither a dog in that fight nor know the circumstances surrounding it. But, I will always appreciate the game analyzing ability of Nemo and appreciate the time and effort of good AAR writers like CR and Cuttlefish. I'd never do anything to compromise an AAR's author. They put too much time and effort in the game for me to consider compromising their efforts. Thanks, CR, for opening you forum to your strategic thinking and game execution.
Now, go out there and sink the hell outta both those reduced Mini-KBs. That is a great opportunity to snatch a tool out of the enemy's hand and bash him about with it.
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bradfordkay
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
"It would take great luck for Albacores and Stringbags to score, but it's worth a shot. "
Good move... Steve HATES Stringbags!!! (I've had pretty good luck with them over the years. I even ran a nice RN carrier raid on his landings at Oosthaven last year - and then bugged out when the KB ran in to repay me for my effrontery!).
Oh, and Changsha holds pretty nicely. The urban terrain helps a lot. We are almost into '43 and he is having to try to flank it because his attacks there have gone so poorly.
Good move... Steve HATES Stringbags!!! (I've had pretty good luck with them over the years. I even ran a nice RN carrier raid on his landings at Oosthaven last year - and then bugged out when the KB ran in to repay me for my effrontery!).
Oh, and Changsha holds pretty nicely. The urban terrain helps a lot. We are almost into '43 and he is having to try to flank it because his attacks there have gone so poorly.
fair winds,
Brad
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
princep01,
Hmm, your moral relativism reminds me of Niemoller's "First They Came..." poem. Here's a few things I'd point out for your consideration. They're things I try to live by, not always succesfully of course but I try. You may decide they don't suit you or your worldview but you may find it interesting to ponder them a bit... You may also think that's an example of pomposity, so be it, there are far worse things than being thought of as pompous...
1. Good people ALWAYS have a dog in the fight when it comes to others being wronged. Once you start ignoring wrongs committed in front of your eyes then you become a party to those wrongs.
2. Even on a non-altruistic level once you let others be wronged and know they are wronged then you create a situation where societally that sort of behaviour becomes more and more tolerated and, eventually, you're going to be on the other side of the wrong, wondering why no-one is willing to stick their neck out to help you.
3. I would point you to the Niemoller pome "First they came..."
I'd also suggest you might find The Hangman an interesting poem to read.
4. Evil encroaches on our lives and world all the time. It isn't always some cloven-footed avatar we can all recognise. Sometimes it is just something wrong which we'll gain nothing by opposing because it is happening to someone else. Eventually though WE will be that someone else and if we don't stop up for others how can we hope they'll stand up for us? Notwithstanding that, even if you assume no-one will stand up for you when it is your time to be on the wrong side of that equation sometimes what is right and wrong is clear and we should stand up for what is right, IMO ( Of course, your opinion may well differ, I can respect that, even if it puts you in the pool of people I'd choose not to play, if I were continuing to play AE.).
As to the circumstances... Initially I thought it might be a misunderstanding so I wrote to FatR, giving him an opportunity to apologise. In his reply he freely admitted leaking the information purposely because he, as judge jury and executioner had decided I was guilty and he stated, "You will receive no apology from me, and nothing but contempt in the future. " So, the facts are pretty damned clear and admitted by FatR. So, if you choose not to act it isn't because you don't know the facts - as they are admitted by him - but simply because you don't care enough that someone else's game was ruined intentionally to take a position about said action.
It is, of course, your business whether or not you are happy to allow such things to go in within your reach and do nothing about them. I do believe, however, that such an attitude is unfortunate. Standing up for others can get you into trouble at times of course and it isn't risk-free but, overall, I think that if everyone stood up for others when they saw them being wronged the world would be a better place.
Within medicine I see this as colleagues have often argued against my policy of stopping for EVERY car crash/moped crash etc I see. The majority of my colleagues ( about 90%+ don't stop ). Most of them drive by on the basis that if they stop there is a risk of being sued. So, selfishly, to reduce the risk of being sued they drive by and increase the risk of the injured parties dieing. I choose to minimise the risk of people dieing at the cost of increasing my risk of being sued. It doesn't make me a great person or anything and I'm not saying it in that vein. I'm just saying that I believe that's the right thing to do and therefore do it even though it increases the risk to me. Will that ever effect you? No, the odds of me coming across a car crash you are involved in are pretty much zero BUT if you generalise that to society then, yeah, the more people who stop because they've learned that's the right thing to do because they've seen others stand up for whats right online and in the real world the more likely it is that when you or someone you care about is in a crash that some doctor would stop because he or she has learnt to prioritise what's right over what's easy.
I do, of course, recognise that you aren't alone in that viewpoint Princep01. The fact that it is prevalent here is why I amn't AARing my current game. Why bother putting the time and effort in to AAR something that people will let be destroyed at a whim? No point at all.
I know that might come across as a bit preachy but I write as someone whose grandfather was in one of the German death camps in World War II and so really believes in the importance of holding the line of what is right whenever possible. If people had held the line in 1933 when Hitler first came into power then large swathes of my family mightn't have died in the last portion of WW2. Obviously FatR breaching the confidentiality of an AAR is a miniscule thing compared to the evil of Hitler BUT the point is that you prevent large evils by standing up and being counted when small evils happen ( at least that's my viewpoint ). It mightn't be easy and it mightn't be the best option individually in the short term but in the long term, collectively and individually it is our BEST chance of stopping the encroaching darkness of amorality engulfing society.
Sorry for the thread hijack Canoerebel. This is just something I feel really strongly about.
P.s. Thanks for the kind words, it really is appreciated.
P.p.s. Princep01, nothing personal, I just disagree with the decision you seem to have made and have tried to explain why. I hope it is taken in that spirit.
Hmm, your moral relativism reminds me of Niemoller's "First They Came..." poem. Here's a few things I'd point out for your consideration. They're things I try to live by, not always succesfully of course but I try. You may decide they don't suit you or your worldview but you may find it interesting to ponder them a bit... You may also think that's an example of pomposity, so be it, there are far worse things than being thought of as pompous...
1. Good people ALWAYS have a dog in the fight when it comes to others being wronged. Once you start ignoring wrongs committed in front of your eyes then you become a party to those wrongs.
2. Even on a non-altruistic level once you let others be wronged and know they are wronged then you create a situation where societally that sort of behaviour becomes more and more tolerated and, eventually, you're going to be on the other side of the wrong, wondering why no-one is willing to stick their neck out to help you.
3. I would point you to the Niemoller pome "First they came..."
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
I'd also suggest you might find The Hangman an interesting poem to read.
4. Evil encroaches on our lives and world all the time. It isn't always some cloven-footed avatar we can all recognise. Sometimes it is just something wrong which we'll gain nothing by opposing because it is happening to someone else. Eventually though WE will be that someone else and if we don't stop up for others how can we hope they'll stand up for us? Notwithstanding that, even if you assume no-one will stand up for you when it is your time to be on the wrong side of that equation sometimes what is right and wrong is clear and we should stand up for what is right, IMO ( Of course, your opinion may well differ, I can respect that, even if it puts you in the pool of people I'd choose not to play, if I were continuing to play AE.).
As to the circumstances... Initially I thought it might be a misunderstanding so I wrote to FatR, giving him an opportunity to apologise. In his reply he freely admitted leaking the information purposely because he, as judge jury and executioner had decided I was guilty and he stated, "You will receive no apology from me, and nothing but contempt in the future. " So, the facts are pretty damned clear and admitted by FatR. So, if you choose not to act it isn't because you don't know the facts - as they are admitted by him - but simply because you don't care enough that someone else's game was ruined intentionally to take a position about said action.
It is, of course, your business whether or not you are happy to allow such things to go in within your reach and do nothing about them. I do believe, however, that such an attitude is unfortunate. Standing up for others can get you into trouble at times of course and it isn't risk-free but, overall, I think that if everyone stood up for others when they saw them being wronged the world would be a better place.
Within medicine I see this as colleagues have often argued against my policy of stopping for EVERY car crash/moped crash etc I see. The majority of my colleagues ( about 90%+ don't stop ). Most of them drive by on the basis that if they stop there is a risk of being sued. So, selfishly, to reduce the risk of being sued they drive by and increase the risk of the injured parties dieing. I choose to minimise the risk of people dieing at the cost of increasing my risk of being sued. It doesn't make me a great person or anything and I'm not saying it in that vein. I'm just saying that I believe that's the right thing to do and therefore do it even though it increases the risk to me. Will that ever effect you? No, the odds of me coming across a car crash you are involved in are pretty much zero BUT if you generalise that to society then, yeah, the more people who stop because they've learned that's the right thing to do because they've seen others stand up for whats right online and in the real world the more likely it is that when you or someone you care about is in a crash that some doctor would stop because he or she has learnt to prioritise what's right over what's easy.
I do, of course, recognise that you aren't alone in that viewpoint Princep01. The fact that it is prevalent here is why I amn't AARing my current game. Why bother putting the time and effort in to AAR something that people will let be destroyed at a whim? No point at all.
I know that might come across as a bit preachy but I write as someone whose grandfather was in one of the German death camps in World War II and so really believes in the importance of holding the line of what is right whenever possible. If people had held the line in 1933 when Hitler first came into power then large swathes of my family mightn't have died in the last portion of WW2. Obviously FatR breaching the confidentiality of an AAR is a miniscule thing compared to the evil of Hitler BUT the point is that you prevent large evils by standing up and being counted when small evils happen ( at least that's my viewpoint ). It mightn't be easy and it mightn't be the best option individually in the short term but in the long term, collectively and individually it is our BEST chance of stopping the encroaching darkness of amorality engulfing society.
Sorry for the thread hijack Canoerebel. This is just something I feel really strongly about.
P.s. Thanks for the kind words, it really is appreciated.
P.p.s. Princep01, nothing personal, I just disagree with the decision you seem to have made and have tried to explain why. I hope it is taken in that spirit.
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Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
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Bullwinkle58
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
China: Steve is indeed moving his stack of about 26 units into Changsha, which suits me as that's the best place I can fight. Forts are up to 4.97 and should reach 5 tomorrow. Allied AV is 3981 with about 600 more on the way. I hope he attacks and I hope it decimates his army. If it should decimate mine...well, I'd be hurting.
I've read recent posts on the forum about the ease or non-ease of taking China in a Scen2 game. I don't have the game map open to look around Changsha, so I'll just ask a couple of general questions.
1. Is AV the best way to look at your situation in China, given the supply state? Might it give over-confidence as to urban holding power?
2. Given #1, is it feasible to pull some of the stack a hex outside the city to allow the re-supply logic to flow toward them, even as their buds inside Changsha starve? Without looking at terrain I can't tell, but is it worthwhile to defend in depth along his approach path, using well-supplied, smaller "slow-down" stacks to eat into his momentum before he hits city forts? If you get some Chinese thrown out in front now, and they have any engineers, they have time to build entrenchment-type forts which have a lot of utility in static defenses.
I'd hate to see Changsha collapse in epic fashion for want of supply when "game supply" is available one hex away in the bush.
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