THE THREAD!!!

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: sprior

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


Nein. There's the face sucker, the chest exploder and at least one adult / gravid female phase.

That makes three, not nein.

chest exploder and the adult are the same beastie in different phases...

In the movie, does the exploder unit become the adult? We see an adult in the movie-it's not the same organism (all growed up) as the exploder or face sucker, right?

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Mynok
A yacht club? In Fort Worth? It's fracking light years from the ocean!

Well duh, brush head, Eagle Mountain Lake, Lake Ray Hubbard, Lake Travis, down by Austin. Just where the heck you think all those Olympic Champions come from any way? New Ferkin Jersy? [;)]

Don't forget about Texoma or Texarkana. The latter had some mighty fine bass fishing. [8D]

[Chickenboy]

Ooh...a chest exploder UNP! [:D]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: sprior




That makes three, not nein.

chest exploder and the adult are the same beastie in different phases...

In the movie, does the exploder unit become the adult? We see an adult in the movie-it's not the same organism (all growed up) as the exploder or face sucker, right?

Iirc, it (the chest exploder) does become an adult... it gets out of the mess hall and starts eating stuff, then moves onto eating people.

The face hugger comes out of one of the eggs (so there are lots of other ones around, but not seen directly)... it shoves the embryo chest exploder down the throat and keeps it alive (while keeping the humans from removing it and/or the embryo chest exploder).

And here i thought you were an expert in parasitology!! [:'(]

[JWE]

ORIGINAL: Mynok
A yacht club? In Fort Worth? It's fracking light years from the ocean!

Well duh, brush head, Eagle Mountain Lake, Lake Ray Hubbard, Lake Travis, down by Austin. Just where the heck you think all those Olympic Champions come from any way? New Ferkin Jersy? [;)]

[ed] good food from TX. Nice BBQ, and good crappies.

[DuckofTindalos]

I believe the face hugger's only function is to deposit the egg inside the host and keep it from being removed until it's sufficiently advanced in growth. Then it falls off and dies.

By my count, Alien had two xenomorphs, the face hugger and the chest burster, the latter subsequently growing into the adult stage.

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Tithe...

Spoke to my boss's boss today. She called me into her office to explain that even though she was responsible for my sacking, she was "sorry", my work had been "excellent", and I would be given glowing references. Whoop-di-doo.

[:@]

You mean called you in as in you had to schlep into the office just to hear that? She couldn't tell you when they sacked you? Or call you on the telephone? [:(]

Grand, isn't it? A lousy end to what's been, on the whole, a good job.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso



chest exploder and the adult are the same beastie in different phases...

In the movie, does the exploder unit become the adult? We see an adult in the movie-it's not the same organism (all growed up) as the exploder or face sucker, right?

Iirc, it (the chest exploder) does become an adult... it gets out of the mess hall and starts eating stuff, then moves onto eating people.

The face hugger comes out of one of the eggs (so there are lots of other ones around, but not seen directly)... it shoves the embryo chest exploder down the throat and keeps it alive (while keeping the humans from removing it and/or the embryo chest exploder).

And here i thought you were an expert in parasitology!! [:'(]

(sigh...) Physicians...

If you follow the origin of the thread on this issue, you'll find my response is correct. There are a multitude of aliens in the movie, not just one in different phases. I'm counting those eggs (1-1000), face sucker (1001), chest exploder (1002) and adult (assuming that it's around as an adult and not a growed up chest exploder =1003).

So, to rehash Sprior's original question (and my original answer)-YES, there is more than one alien in the movie.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I believe the face hugger's only function is to deposit the egg inside the host and keep it from being removed until it's sufficiently advanced in growth. Then it falls off and dies.

By my count, Alien had two xenomorphs, the face hugger and the chest burster, the latter subsequently growing into the adult stage.

Not sure how the eggs are counted (as prehatched face-huggers, i would guess).

There was also the dead alien sitting in his "command chair" - the one who sent the warning that sucked in Nostromo to investigate.

i think Chickenboy might be confusing his face-huggers from the original movie with "Aliens" - where several face-huggers got wasted... of course, there were lots of larger types running loose there, and crawling, etc...

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



In the movie, does the exploder unit become the adult? We see an adult in the movie-it's not the same organism (all growed up) as the exploder or face sucker, right?

Iirc, it (the chest exploder) does become an adult... it gets out of the mess hall and starts eating stuff, then moves onto eating people.

The face hugger comes out of one of the eggs (so there are lots of other ones around, but not seen directly)... it shoves the embryo chest exploder down the throat and keeps it alive (while keeping the humans from removing it and/or the embryo chest exploder).

And here i thought you were an expert in parasitology!! [:'(]

(sigh...) Physicians...

If you follow the origin of the thread on this issue, you'll find my response is correct. There are a multitude of aliens in the movie, not just one in different phases. I'm counting those eggs (1-1000), face sucker (1001), chest exploder (1002) and adult (assuming that it's around as an adult and not a growed up chest exploder =1003).

So, to rehash Sprior's original question (and my original answer)-YES, there is more than one alien in the movie.

i was responding to THIS statement:

We see an adult in the movie-it's not the same organism (all growed up) as the exploder or face sucker, right?

And yes, it IS the same organism as the exploder (but not the face sucker).

EDIT: This assumes, of course, that the face-hugger and exploder are two different organisms... it could be they are part of the same being, with the face-hugger part being sort of a "placental" attachment that is shed from the embryo once it is ready to leave the host... alas, they failed to provide DNA analysis of the different parts (assuming it actually has DNA). [;)]

RE-EDIT: How's THAT for geeky?? [:D]

[rtrapasso]

This one would have been more appropriate last week, but i guess some of you can use it as you celebrate this holiday at the end of the month...

[Chickenboy]

I think the confusion here may be one's definition of 'organism'. If you refer to the organism as the species then there's only one (non-human; non-felid) species in the movie-the Alien. If you are referring to 'organism' as individuals (my useage), then there's a multitude of organisms in Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and (I assume-haven't seen it) Alien 4.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
EDIT: This assumes, of course, that the face-hugger and exploder are two different organisms... it could be they are part of the same being, with the face-hugger part being sort of a "placental" attachment that is shed from the embryo once it is ready to leave the host... alas, they failed to provide DNA analysis of the different parts (assuming it actually has DNA). [;)]

RE-EDIT: How's THAT for geeky?? [:D]

Placental? How mammalocentric of you. [:'(] There's lots better examples than that clunky mammalian placenta out there to choose from.

More likely would be some sort of asexual autofertility (think bee workers) or other asexual reproductive cycle. Even if it were an example of binary fission or other asexual reproductive life cycle, the new form would be considered a different organism once it left the host. A completely different organism that was indistinguishable from its progenitor by genetic analysis.

Your DNA analysis would be unable to differentiate such a spawned lifeform from the placental attachment theory you espouse above-both would have identical DNA to the 'parent' or 'placenta' that you mention. Assuming, of course, it has DNA. [;)] For myself, I would venture that Alien has SNA (sulfuric nucleic acid).

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


EDIT: This assumes, of course, that the face-hugger and exploder are two different organisms... it could be they are part of the same being, with the face-hugger part being sort of a "placental" attachment that is shed from the embryo once it is ready to leave the host... alas, they failed to provide DNA analysis of the different parts (assuming it actually has DNA). [;)]

RE-EDIT: How's THAT for geeky?? [:D]

I think you will find explained in Alien 3 that the exploder/adult picks up characteristics from its host - ie the dog exploder was a very different organism to the human gestated Alien...

That would make categorising it's DNA a very difficult task - talk about rapid evolution!! [:D]


If it was real that is!! [:'(]

[Chickenboy]

The comparative cute and small chest burster is apparently just a little version of a full-sized adult. It grows to that size in a matter of hours post-bursting. [X(]

I'm more concerned about it's apparent small feed conversion ratio. Even if we assumed that it ate the entire thoracic cavity of an adult male (say about 70 lbs. worth of vittles), it somehow manages to grow into something hominid-sized or larger with just that one full meal. It's mass has got to be at least that of a full adult male, therefore, we have an inexplicable FCR of less than 0.5:1 . Namely, for every pound of gain, it eats 0.5 lbs. (or less) of something else.

Sulfuric acid blood? Eats people? Chest burster little 'uns? Doesn't need much to grow lots? Grows to full size in hours? Big sharp pointy teeth (makes chomping teeth motion with hands)? Ick. I'm startin' to get fidgety just thinking about another species like that in the same solar system.

ETA: Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...

[USSAmerica]

Oooh!  Alien spat!  

[USSAmerica]

I'm hungry at 2230 hours.  That's why I have so much extra weight to lose.  Time to go raid the fridge.  [:D]

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Mynok
A yacht club? In Fort Worth? It's fracking light years from the ocean!

Well duh, brush head, Eagle Mountain Lake, Lake Ray Hubbard, Lake Travis, down by Austin. Just where the heck you think all those Olympic Champions come from any way? New Ferkin Jersy? [;)]

The ocean, bro, the ocean. How can you develop a yacht on a freakin lake?!!?

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: USS America

Oooh!  Alien spat!  

Watch your tongue biped. We rule you whether you like it or not. [:D]

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Mynok

ORIGINAL: USS America

Oooh!  Alien spat!  

Watch your tongue biped. We rule you whether you like it or not. [:D]

How about a demonstration of your strategic might in the form of a turn? [:'(]