Cats are already based at Baker Island now. Starting from Tomorrow we'll have Tarawa in our range of recon and so soon we'll now what he has there.
Then we must know where the dreaded KB is. My guess? she's sailing somewhere approaching truk from northwest (maybe passing through the PI). i've sent all my pacific subs (except those who have been ordered to recon Iwo, Haha, Tarawa, Makin, Mili, Ocean, Nauru and Kwalajein) to create a first allert perimeter from Truk to the Mariannas in order to have a decent allarm timing of incoming threats.
The other option is that she's sailing between Diego and Scoodra, waiting for my RN CVs...but with no decent ports to refuel at that would be a real waste of fuel and she could have better spent her time sinking my transports that everyday exit and enter from the Aden Channell
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RE: The fall of Scoodra
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
The other option is that she's sailing between Diego and Scoodra, waiting for my RN CVs...but with no decent ports to refuel at that would be a real waste of fuel and she could have better spent her time sinking my transports that everyday exit and enter from the Aden Channell
Well I guess that he just needs baby KB for that. My take is that baby KB may be replenishing at Singers right now before a redeployment.
RE: The fall of Scoodra
ORIGINAL: Fishbed
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
The other option is that she's sailing between Diego and Scoodra, waiting for my RN CVs...but with no decent ports to refuel at that would be a real waste of fuel and she could have better spent her time sinking my transports that everyday exit and enter from the Aden Channell
Well I guess that he just needs baby KB for that. My take is that baby KB may be replenishing at Singers right now before a redeployment.
But is the baby KB enough to take care of 3 main brit CVs and 1 CVL? I mean, i know mini KB can defeat them, but won't it be too risky for him?
And the main KB, without the support of the mini KB rapresent a Death-Star for the US CVs or "simply" a stronger but affordable enemy?
RE: The fall of Scoodra
May 28-29 1942
The raid at Surat went bad. Among those 120 units there must be some real Heavy FLAK! 5 4es were shot down by flak at 15k feet!!!...4 more were shot down by the CAP which was heavy and coordinated by a radar[X(]. Overall 10 4Es were lost for a total of 16 enemy planes...not a good exchange as Nemo has previously pointed out.
Ok, lesson learnt: never go to an enemy base with too much flak! Even jap AA can be deadly if massed.
At Manila the japs made their first attack...and it was a bloody bath for them. 16k men dead/disabled against my 2300...but forts down to level 2. At least they'll need some time to reduce Manila...
The BBs came again at Addu Atoll...and they nuked the base. This time my men got badly disabled...won't last long.
The Japs did a strange move at Surat. They landed just at the other side of the bay at Bahungar...they could have simply march there cause the base was empty...[&:]
Maybe they want to create a mutual supporting double-base (with Surat) in order to start reducing my northern bases before pulling the trigger and cross the LOD...don't know.
Today was a good day cause from Aden, heavily escorted, arrived at Karachi an AKV bringing another group of 13 B-17s...and God knows how badly i need the american bombers in India!
Tarawa seems empty and empy seem Ocean, Mili and Makin...that sounds pretty strange to me[&:] I'll order my subs to linger there few more days and in the meanwhile i'll order to my cats at Baker to start reconning (will send more cats to do naval search from Baker also).
Something strange happened at Baker. I sent a USN port det (B) to Baker with a fast transport... when it was loaded it was 100/100 and then, the next day, arrived at 45/45...seems like many men were lost during the process...but how? Baker was already in my hands and so no attrition from landing... strange!
Still no clue about where the KB is...i'm getting nervous. I cannot risk a major defeat right now...but at the same time the more i wait the more he has time to send reinforcements...what to do?
The raid at Surat went bad. Among those 120 units there must be some real Heavy FLAK! 5 4es were shot down by flak at 15k feet!!!...4 more were shot down by the CAP which was heavy and coordinated by a radar[X(]. Overall 10 4Es were lost for a total of 16 enemy planes...not a good exchange as Nemo has previously pointed out.
Ok, lesson learnt: never go to an enemy base with too much flak! Even jap AA can be deadly if massed.
At Manila the japs made their first attack...and it was a bloody bath for them. 16k men dead/disabled against my 2300...but forts down to level 2. At least they'll need some time to reduce Manila...
The BBs came again at Addu Atoll...and they nuked the base. This time my men got badly disabled...won't last long.
The Japs did a strange move at Surat. They landed just at the other side of the bay at Bahungar...they could have simply march there cause the base was empty...[&:]
Maybe they want to create a mutual supporting double-base (with Surat) in order to start reducing my northern bases before pulling the trigger and cross the LOD...don't know.
Today was a good day cause from Aden, heavily escorted, arrived at Karachi an AKV bringing another group of 13 B-17s...and God knows how badly i need the american bombers in India!
Tarawa seems empty and empy seem Ocean, Mili and Makin...that sounds pretty strange to me[&:] I'll order my subs to linger there few more days and in the meanwhile i'll order to my cats at Baker to start reconning (will send more cats to do naval search from Baker also).
Something strange happened at Baker. I sent a USN port det (B) to Baker with a fast transport... when it was loaded it was 100/100 and then, the next day, arrived at 45/45...seems like many men were lost during the process...but how? Baker was already in my hands and so no attrition from landing... strange!
Still no clue about where the KB is...i'm getting nervous. I cannot risk a major defeat right now...but at the same time the more i wait the more he has time to send reinforcements...what to do?
RE: The fall of Scoodra
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RE: The fall of Scoodra
The Japanese would "cross the line of death" if they marched by land from Surat to Bahungar. While Bahungar isn't "across the line," you do have to cross it to reach the hex. So, instead, the enemy invades and doesn't trigger any reinforcements. Now he can build that airfield to level nine if he wishes.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: The fall of Scoodra
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The Japanese would "cross the line of death" if they marched by land from Surat to Bahungar. While Bahungar isn't "across the line," you do have to cross it to reach the hex. So, instead, the enemy invades and doesn't trigger any reinforcements. Now he can build that airfield to level nine if he wishes.
I gotta say, at least for me this whole campaign does highlight how profoundly silly having a fixed line for reinforcements makes things after the 'where' of it becomes common knowledge.
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RE: The fall of Scoodra
Yes, but making it more nuanced would have taken alot of additional coding, I think. Not many games will reach this point, but at least everybody has a general idea of the consequences when it does. So while the "line of death" isn't particularly nuanced it does add a good bit of excitement.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: The fall of Scoodra
Thx CR, makes lot of sense now.
I'm pretty sure he will build that AF and, along with Surat he will soon start to reduce my bases with air power before triggering the LOD. And that may mean it will take him more weeks to advance...that's not exactly what i would have done if i was him but, unluckly, i'm pretty confident Rader does know what he does[:o] better than me.
Tomorrow we'll try to attack Surat with a base force so that we'll be able to know which forces he has massed for the upcoming campaign. We also have to consider that at Bombay there were more 2500 AVs 4 days ago and that at Manila 2600 AVs are reducing the allied base. I'm also sure that more units are moving by sea towards Calcutta (intel reports) so the numbers we'll watch at Surat are gonna be just a fraction of the total...(more 1000 AVs, including lots of tanks, are closing on Madras right now)...but we're gonna get an Idea...my guess? something like 12.000 AVs...
I'm pretty sure he will build that AF and, along with Surat he will soon start to reduce my bases with air power before triggering the LOD. And that may mean it will take him more weeks to advance...that's not exactly what i would have done if i was him but, unluckly, i'm pretty confident Rader does know what he does[:o] better than me.
Tomorrow we'll try to attack Surat with a base force so that we'll be able to know which forces he has massed for the upcoming campaign. We also have to consider that at Bombay there were more 2500 AVs 4 days ago and that at Manila 2600 AVs are reducing the allied base. I'm also sure that more units are moving by sea towards Calcutta (intel reports) so the numbers we'll watch at Surat are gonna be just a fraction of the total...(more 1000 AVs, including lots of tanks, are closing on Madras right now)...but we're gonna get an Idea...my guess? something like 12.000 AVs...
RE: The door of India is open
I didn't quite understand - he can walk all the way to Karachi and never trigger the exceptional reinforcements? Isn't that a little bit edgy?
RE: The door of India is open
ORIGINAL: Fishbed
I didn't quite understand - he can walk all the way to Karachi and never trigger the exceptional reinforcements? Isn't that a little bit edgy?
What??? Oh lord...no, i don't think so...well i HOPE it's not like that...
As far as i understand if he passes the line of Ahmebadab the reinforcements are triggered!
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RE: The door of India is open
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Fishbed
I didn't quite understand - he can walk all the way to Karachi and never trigger the exceptional reinforcements? Isn't that a little bit edgy?
What??? Oh lord...no, i don't think so...well i HOPE it's not like that...
As far as i understand if he passes the line of Ahmebadab the reinforcements are triggered!
It's based on the y in the x,y line running, I believe, one hex south of Delhi. The map projection bends quite a bit in some places, so check the x,y. This is particularly critical in Australia, which is sway-backed in the game due to the map projection.
Aside: Could you post the two VP totals when you have a chance?
The Moose
RE: The door of India is open
Here you are Bullwinkle.
The y is the 18...and it runs from Ahdemabad to 1 hex south of Dehli...
The y is the 18...and it runs from Ahdemabad to 1 hex south of Dehli...
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RE: The door of India is open
Thanks.
PPs kinda hurtin' there. I don't know how AE works or if it's in the manual (can't check now), but I think WITP let PPs go negative. Might be an option to keep your air groups.
PPs kinda hurtin' there. I don't know how AE works or if it's in the manual (can't check now), but I think WITP let PPs go negative. Might be an option to keep your air groups.
The Moose
RE: The door of India is open
Yes, i'll try that BW. I'll keep my fighters and withdraw only the bomber groups (not the hudsons however cause they are great in ASW due to their radar). PP is going to hurt...but cannot let those hurricanes go back right now[:o]
we're getting close to 4-1 VPs...well, for the moment i'm not thinking about them....
we're getting close to 4-1 VPs...well, for the moment i'm not thinking about them....
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RE: The door of India is open
Just to clarify for Fishbed and any others who are (understandably) confused by the Line of Death conversation. It can be confusing, though it really isn't once you understand it... [:'(]
The line of death travels east/west on the game map - one hex south of Delhi, which means it includes the city of Ahmadebad. If any enemy troops march by land onto or across that line it triggers the reinforcements. The same thing happens if an enemy invasion force lands on or across that line of hexes.
Due to how the shoreline bends, there is a peninsula in India that crosses back south of the line (south on the game map). So enemy troops that invade the base at the southern tip of that hex are not across the line and thus don't trigger reinforcements. But the only way you can reach that base by land is by crossing the line.
Aint it clear?!
This little feature of the game has created a wonderful amount of confusion, study, analysis, and conclusions, making it alot of fun.
The line of death travels east/west on the game map - one hex south of Delhi, which means it includes the city of Ahmadebad. If any enemy troops march by land onto or across that line it triggers the reinforcements. The same thing happens if an enemy invasion force lands on or across that line of hexes.
Due to how the shoreline bends, there is a peninsula in India that crosses back south of the line (south on the game map). So enemy troops that invade the base at the southern tip of that hex are not across the line and thus don't trigger reinforcements. But the only way you can reach that base by land is by crossing the line.
Aint it clear?!
This little feature of the game has created a wonderful amount of confusion, study, analysis, and conclusions, making it alot of fun.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: The door of India is open
Strange enough Scoodra doesn't trigger the LOD despite being northwards of Dehli.
However guys, think i'll be the first one who will experiment the reinforcement trigger and a siege of Karachi...[:D]
However guys, think i'll be the first one who will experiment the reinforcement trigger and a siege of Karachi...[:D]
RE: The door of India is open
Not the first - believe we've run into that particular scenario a time or two before, particularly in WiTP.
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RE: The door of India is open
Ok, that's what we can call LOGISTIC!!!.... uncountable base forces, engeneers and AA units at SURAT!!....Oh God...
Ground combat at Surat (39,20)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 715 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9
Defending force 148434 troops, 2238 guns, 1326 vehicles, Assault Value = 3649
Allied adjusted assault: 0
Japanese adjusted defense: 1711
Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 1)
Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker: leaders(-), supply(-)
Allied ground losses:
268 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 46 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Assaulting units:
2nd West Coast Base Force
Defending units:
5th Division
48th Recon Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
16th Guards Regiment
56th Recon Regiment
4th Division
48th Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
15th Guards Regiment
6th Guards Division
5th Guards Engineer Regiment
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
21st Division
143rd Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
144th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
5th Guards Cav Regiment
17th Indpt Guards Regiment
33rd Infantry Regiment
15th Ind. Engr Rgt /2
34th Const Co
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
11th JAAF Base Force
11th Air Defense AA Regiment
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
26th Fld AA Gun Co
36th Const Co
12th Air Defense AA Regiment
41st Air Defense AA Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
35th Fld AA Gun Co
17th JAAF AF Bn
2nd Air Division
20th AA Regiment
47th Road Const Co
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
28th Fld AA Gun Co
30th JNAF AF Unit
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
49th Const Co
31st Road Const Co
6th JNAF AF Unit
27th JAAF AF Bn
25th JNAF AF Unit
39th Field AA Battalion
22nd Ind.AA Gun Co
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
25th Army
5th RF Gun Battalion
12th JAAF Base Force
23rd Ind.AA Gun Co
3rd Mortar Battalion
1st Ind.AA Gun Co
56th Const Co
42nd Air Defense AA Regiment
3rd Ind.AA Gun Co
8th RF Gun Battalion
55th Const Co
51st Const Co
8th Field AF Construction Battalion
21st Air Defense AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
35th Const Co
35th Field AA Battalion
29th Fld AA Gun Co
23rd AA Regiment
41st Field AA Battalion
36th Const Co
38th Field AA Battalion
21st JAAF AF Bn
40th Const Co
27th Fld AA Gun Co
31st Fld AA Gun Co
49th Field AA Battalion
43rd Ind.AA Gun Co
57th Field AA Battalion
25th Air Defense AA Regiment
30th Fld AA Gun Co
Southern Army
7th RF Gun Battalion
32nd Field AA Battalion
53rd Field AA Battalion
13th JAAF AF Bn
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion
5th Field AF Construction Battalion
43rd Const Co
13th Ind.AA Gun Co
18th JAAF AF Bn
48th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Const Co
38th Road Const Co
1st Air Defense AA Regiment
41st Ind.AA Gun Co
35th JAAF AF Bn
54th Const Co
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
6th Field AF Construction Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
44th Ind.AA Gun Co
54th Field AA Battalion
69th JAAF AF Bn
201st JAAF AF Bn
3rd FF Const Unit
48th Road Const Co
5th Mortar Battalion
15th Const Co
21th JNAF AF Unit
11th JNAF AF Unit
34th Ind.AA Gun Co
22nd Air Flotilla
92nd JAAF AF Bn
41st JAAF AF Bn
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
48th Field AA Battalion
12th Ind. AA Battalion
56th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd RF Gun Battalion
31st Air Defense AA Battalion
37th Const Co
4th Naval Construction Battalion
22nd Fld AA Gun Co
53rd Const Co
56th Field AA Battalion
34th Field AA Battalion
21st Ind.AA Gun Co
1st Air Defense AA Battalion
21st Fld AA Gun Co
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
42nd Ind.AA Gun Co
39th Road Const Co
21st Army
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Ground combat at Surat (39,20)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 715 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9
Defending force 148434 troops, 2238 guns, 1326 vehicles, Assault Value = 3649
Allied adjusted assault: 0
Japanese adjusted defense: 1711
Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 1)
Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-)
Attacker: leaders(-), supply(-)
Allied ground losses:
268 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 46 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Assaulting units:
2nd West Coast Base Force
Defending units:
5th Division
48th Recon Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment
16th Guards Regiment
56th Recon Regiment
4th Division
48th Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
15th Guards Regiment
6th Guards Division
5th Guards Engineer Regiment
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
21st Division
143rd Infantry Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
144th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
5th Guards Cav Regiment
17th Indpt Guards Regiment
33rd Infantry Regiment
15th Ind. Engr Rgt /2
34th Const Co
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
11th JAAF Base Force
11th Air Defense AA Regiment
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
26th Fld AA Gun Co
36th Const Co
12th Air Defense AA Regiment
41st Air Defense AA Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
35th Fld AA Gun Co
17th JAAF AF Bn
2nd Air Division
20th AA Regiment
47th Road Const Co
55th Mountain Gun Regiment
28th Fld AA Gun Co
30th JNAF AF Unit
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
49th Const Co
31st Road Const Co
6th JNAF AF Unit
27th JAAF AF Bn
25th JNAF AF Unit
39th Field AA Battalion
22nd Ind.AA Gun Co
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
25th Army
5th RF Gun Battalion
12th JAAF Base Force
23rd Ind.AA Gun Co
3rd Mortar Battalion
1st Ind.AA Gun Co
56th Const Co
42nd Air Defense AA Regiment
3rd Ind.AA Gun Co
8th RF Gun Battalion
55th Const Co
51st Const Co
8th Field AF Construction Battalion
21st Air Defense AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
35th Const Co
35th Field AA Battalion
29th Fld AA Gun Co
23rd AA Regiment
41st Field AA Battalion
36th Const Co
38th Field AA Battalion
21st JAAF AF Bn
40th Const Co
27th Fld AA Gun Co
31st Fld AA Gun Co
49th Field AA Battalion
43rd Ind.AA Gun Co
57th Field AA Battalion
25th Air Defense AA Regiment
30th Fld AA Gun Co
Southern Army
7th RF Gun Battalion
32nd Field AA Battalion
53rd Field AA Battalion
13th JAAF AF Bn
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th RF Gun Battalion
5th Field AF Construction Battalion
43rd Const Co
13th Ind.AA Gun Co
18th JAAF AF Bn
48th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Const Co
38th Road Const Co
1st Air Defense AA Regiment
41st Ind.AA Gun Co
35th JAAF AF Bn
54th Const Co
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
6th Field AF Construction Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
44th Ind.AA Gun Co
54th Field AA Battalion
69th JAAF AF Bn
201st JAAF AF Bn
3rd FF Const Unit
48th Road Const Co
5th Mortar Battalion
15th Const Co
21th JNAF AF Unit
11th JNAF AF Unit
34th Ind.AA Gun Co
22nd Air Flotilla
92nd JAAF AF Bn
41st JAAF AF Bn
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
48th Field AA Battalion
12th Ind. AA Battalion
56th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd RF Gun Battalion
31st Air Defense AA Battalion
37th Const Co
4th Naval Construction Battalion
22nd Fld AA Gun Co
53rd Const Co
56th Field AA Battalion
34th Field AA Battalion
21st Ind.AA Gun Co
1st Air Defense AA Battalion
21st Fld AA Gun Co
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
42nd Ind.AA Gun Co
39th Road Const Co
21st Army
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RE: The door of India is open
LOL
I count five divisions, so certainly he can have many more than that on the loose in India.
But those titanic stacks 65 units tall are comprised heavily of non-combat units. At least you learned that much.
I may be biased in favor of GreyJoy given his newness to the game, but shouldn't rader be a bit embarrassed to have 38 AA units in a single hex? I mean, isn't it time we formed a kangaroo court and levied a few fines?
I count five divisions, so certainly he can have many more than that on the loose in India.
But those titanic stacks 65 units tall are comprised heavily of non-combat units. At least you learned that much.
I may be biased in favor of GreyJoy given his newness to the game, but shouldn't rader be a bit embarrassed to have 38 AA units in a single hex? I mean, isn't it time we formed a kangaroo court and levied a few fines?
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.