Cleric 'sowed seeds of Australian Islamic state'

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Originally posted by Cap Mandrake
Blast... I hit submit to early. Retkit...all islamic terrorists are arab or arab-financed??? What about the Iranians, Chechens, Pakistanis, Malaysians, Indonesians or Phillipino-muslims who espouse terrorism as a means to establish Islamic states? None of these groups consider themselves Arabs. Do you really think this all started with Saudi oil money?
It is PRECISELY the fundamentalist Islamic notion of a "pure" Islamic state under Sharia (Islamic law) and free of "infidels" that fuels these 11th century nut-cases. It doesn't help that were it not for oil money, all the Islamic states would be economic basket cases instead of just 80 %. With these extremists, Turkey does not count as an Islamic state...in fact if they succeed, more of these friendly chaps will be heading Turkey's way.

Just once I would like to see an Islamic spokesperson or Imam state simply that "the killing of the innocent in the name of Islam is a sin" AND JUST STOP THERE.. Inevitably, however, there is the following clause "but the West must understand the level of anger in the Muslim world about the.....(choose your cause..Palestinians, Kashmir, the Shah, infidel soldiers in the land of the Prophet etc etc)


BTW Bill.....if there is a future Islamic State of Australia....you can take the entire month of Ramadan off if you work in a fast food restaurant ;)

Actually, YES. Saudi backed terror goes a long way. I would have added Iranian efforts but they are another case as well as Chechens. But I still stand on the same ground , Arabs are to blame for the mess.

Each civilization has its unique way of fighting a war , and theirs is the terrorism. It i s very much like the V2, doesnt kill that much but demoralizes out of its physical proportion.

I agree about Turkey being the next target. With those European 'friends', at our back, we do need some strong support. In fact Bin Laden counted us with the Israel claiming that we have to be 'rehabilitated'. ( actually, given a free hand turks will be happy to re-educate their arabs once more , apparently they sort of forgot their past - I mean about democratic ways of government - they just never grasped the idea of a centralized government)

Actually, this is all British mistake. arabs got their freedom from a lottery , they never deserved it and they probably never will. In fact, going like this they will simply become extinct because of the social evolution.
:rolleyes:

bw. noone takes the Ramadan off even if they work ina restaurant, we just eat later....

the cool thing is the ramadan festivities, 4.5 days of vacation followed by another 5 days 2 months later for Abraham's sacrifice ( or whatever it is called )
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Post by Les_the_Sarge_9_1 »

How about this for a comment.

Islam Judaism and Christianity all come from the same roots essentially.

Now when you consider the much bandied accuracy of the Bible, when you stop to realise that genuine verifiable historical accounts are unable to even verify Abraham even existed (half of the people IN the Bible don't appear to exist OUTSIDE of the Bible).

What we have is a world, that is largely obsessed with killing each other, over interpretations of a religion, created by people that never existed in some cases.

As such, I could care less if you say it's the fault of Arabs, world wide Muslim extremists, Christian loonies, Catholics, or Zionists (I left some variations out, but you get the point.

These people all hate each other with a passion. They all KNOW the other groups are heathens. And every last one of them, are following fairy tales to destruction.

I think we should outlaw the whole lot of them until they can practice their beliefs in a manner that says they understand the core of their religion in the first place.

God never wanted anyone to kill anyone.
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Post by Culiacan Mexico »

Originally posted by retkit
I agree about Turkey being the next target. With those European 'friends', at our back, we do need some strong support.
:D

In fact Bin Laden counted us with the Israel claiming that we have to be 'rehabilitated'. ( actually, given a free hand turks will be happy to re-educate their arabs once more , apparently they sort of forgot their past…
:D

That WW1, sure made a mess of things.
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Post by Cap Mandrake »

Originally posted by retkit

Actually, this is all British mistake. arabs got their freedom from a lottery , they never deserved it and they probably never will. In fact, going like this they will simply become extinct because of the social evolution.
:rolleyes:

bw. noone takes the Ramadan off even if they work ina restaurant, we just eat later....




retkit...apparently the political correctness wave hasn't reached Turkey ;) And if you are still ticked off about the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire...you need to get over it....what do you expect when you name a whole empire after a footstool.

But what we really want to know is are you guys gonna let us use Incirlik to attack Iraq?

And I was joking about the Ramadan/restaurant thing.
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Post by retkit »

Originally posted by Cap Mandrake
retkit...apparently the political correctness wave hasn't reached Turkey ;) And if you are still ticked off about the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire...you need to get over it....what do you expect when you name a whole empire after a footstool.

But what we really want to know is are you guys gonna let us use Incirlik to attack Iraq?

And I was joking about the Ramadan/restaurant thing.


stool was named after the empire and it was a coffee table essentially. besides I am not ticked off. it was kaputt anyway. but I guess even when they were going they mide a fine job of it, some of the battles in the west and east are actually quite interesting.
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Post by Noodleboy »

Originally posted by Twotribes
Explain how it is a majority when NONE speak up. Where is the outrage about the planes, as I recall the majority of the coverage was muslim ( granted the extremests) shooting and dancing in the street. But it also was across the whole area...


Sorry for going back a bit but (yes, i know you mention the 'but' later on!) don't forget that in Gaza and the West Bank, 600 Palestiniand went to give blood as a result of watching 11 September on TV.

They wouldn't show that on CNN though... :rolleyes:
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