43-45 campaign (Axis) Aditia vs Delatabel (Sov)

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RE: 43-45 campaign (Axis) Aditia vs Delatabel (Sov)

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This was in fact the second game I played with Aditia. In the first game he busted my line open north and south of Kursk, and encircled the entire Kursk pocket on the first turn. In my first turn I re-opened the pocket, and worked on activating units south of the line, also railing in all of my spare mech units there. I did this for another turn and on the third turn tore his line open south of Kursk, massed tanks and artillery, and deeply encircled all of the elite forces he'd used to break my line. Aditia resigned at that point.

A critical factor in that first game was being able to have a lot of units activated for free when they retreated from German attacks.

In the second game he was much more circumspect. A few steps back and he held his line. I came forwards with my static army, activating units where I could and moving everything else one hex forward. Yes, it was much harder and it did take about 6 months to mobilise the army but now it's done.

It's simply ridiculous that it takes twice as many APs to activate a static tank corps as it does to build it from scratch. Unfortunately it's not possible to disband a static unit otherwise I would simply have disbanded about half of the army and started with mobile units.

The AP system, especially in the 1943 campaign, needs quite a bit of attention.
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RE: 43-45 campaign (Axis) Aditia vs Delatabel (Sov)

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That is why there no static Corps in the Revised edition: tm.asp?m=2789369
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That's not really a "revised edition" of the standard 1943 scenario, it's a new scenario based on the 1943 scenario with some historical updates.

The fact that the static corps exist doesn't bother me. After all on an average mud/blizzard turn about 1/3 to 1/2 of my army isn't moving anyway, so I'd just as soon put them into static mode. It's the AP cost to reactivate them afterwards that is the problem.
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That's not really a "revised edition" of the standard 1943 scenario, it's a new scenario based on the 1943 scenario with some historical updates.

English is not my mother tongue, so could you elaborate?
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OK sorry if I wasn't clear.

A "revised" scenario is one that I would expect the original developers of the game, that is 2by3 or Matrix, to include in some update of the game set. So we could say "This new update of WitE from Matrix includes a revised 1943 scenario that replaces the previous version".

What you have made is a very good scenario but it is a "modified" scenario.  So you have taken the supplied 1943 scenario and changed it to better reflect history, and to remove the annoying issue of the static corps.  So instead of the above we could say "This new update of WitE from Matrix still includes the original 1943 scenario" but also "there is a modified and improved scenario from Jyri that is better historically".  In gamer forums we often refer to those as "add ons" or "mods" or similar.

Think of it as the difference between fixing bugs in the software and adding new features to the software.

I hope that makes it more clear.

I would like to play your scenario but I would also like to see the AP gain/loss for putting units into static mode and taking them out to be reduced greatly.  It really does not take 2 - 3 x the amount of paperwork (admin points) to send a corps some trucks as it does to create the corps in the first place.  I made the suggestion of 0 AP to go static, and 1 AP to mobilise, for any size unit.
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RE: 43-45 campaign (Axis) Aditia vs Delatabel (Sov)

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Unfortunately the community has not really been receptive of mods unless they are "official" from 2by3/Matrix. This makes it especially frustrating to play the Russians in the later scenarios since they find so much of their army in static mode along with a mess for command and control. In addition, they still want to form certain units and assemble corps.

I pretty much agree with Flaviusx on what he does in this. I have not messed with the later scenarios that much, but from what I see, it appears the best course of action for the Red Army is to just bludgeon the Germans to pieces with infantry corps and artillery. It may take a bit, but the Germans just can't take the losses and at some point, the Russians won't need to do the huge assaults and can roll a bit better. Sort of like a boxer who works the body early in the fight with no real signs of damage, but later in the fight, his opponent is out of gas and fatigued from all the on going punishment.
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