Books for Allied Players
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Books for Allied Players
I'm in California for two months, and witps suggested this summer might be a good time to get updated on good books. So here's the first question: Please recommend a summer reading list for Allied players.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Books for Allied Players
The Forgotten Fleet; Winton
The British Pacific Fleet; Hobbs (I haven't started this yet, but it looks good from a quick skim through, and am hoping this will complement the excellent Forgotten Fleet).
The Sinking of the Prince of Wales and Repulse; Middlebrook/Mahoney
Odd Man Out (The story of the Singapore Traitor); Elphick and Smith
Singapore (The Pregnable Fortress); Elphick
The British Pacific Fleet; Hobbs (I haven't started this yet, but it looks good from a quick skim through, and am hoping this will complement the excellent Forgotten Fleet).
The Sinking of the Prince of Wales and Repulse; Middlebrook/Mahoney
Odd Man Out (The story of the Singapore Traitor); Elphick and Smith
Singapore (The Pregnable Fortress); Elphick
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: Books for Allied Players
I live in San Diego. [:)]
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RE: Books for Allied Players
So- you live in the UK, you're going to California for the summer- and you want to know what books to get?
Mail order my good man- and get a good pair of binoculars while you're at it. The beachside beckons [8D]
Mail order my good man- and get a good pair of binoculars while you're at it. The beachside beckons [8D]
RE: Books for Allied Players
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I live in San Diego. [:)]
.....and my recent purchase of the British Pacific Fleet from Amazon came all the way from the US.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: Books for Allied Players
The new Pearl Harbor book: Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths and Whatever" by Zimm would seem to be right up your particular alley (judging by many of your posts). It's got spelling errors and the occasional misstated date but the operational analysis aspect puts ordinary perceptions (myths?) in a very different light. I just thought I'd mention it since you've commented previously in the thread on that book but I wasn't sure if you've read it.
RE: Books for Allied Players
herwin,
I live in San Jose if you want to get together.
Mike
I live in San Jose if you want to get together.
Mike
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RE: Books for Allied Players
Eagle Against The Sun by Ronald Spector is probably the best general history of the war i have read.
Although you might enjoy these three by HP Wilmott that cover allied and Japanese stratergy in the early stages of the war:
Barrier and the Javelin: Japanese and Allied Strategies, February to June 1942
Empires in the Balance: Japanese and Allied Pacific Strategies to April 1942
The War with Japan: The Period of Balance, May 1942-October 1943
Finally I find these interesting, not only because of the Australian perspective, but they also give a good insight into the confusion, miscommunication and misunderstanding that occured during the early stages of the war and are great examples of how politics got in the way of actually winning the war. Although most people here probably have a low opinion of MacArthur already, Blamey really fares no better and is quite suprising how screwed up things really were during the Kokoda and New Guinea campaigns.
Those Ragged Bloody Heroes: From the Kokoda Trail to Gona Beach 1942 by Peter Brune
A Bastard of a Place: The Australians in Papua by Peter Brune
Although you might enjoy these three by HP Wilmott that cover allied and Japanese stratergy in the early stages of the war:
Barrier and the Javelin: Japanese and Allied Strategies, February to June 1942
Empires in the Balance: Japanese and Allied Pacific Strategies to April 1942
The War with Japan: The Period of Balance, May 1942-October 1943
Finally I find these interesting, not only because of the Australian perspective, but they also give a good insight into the confusion, miscommunication and misunderstanding that occured during the early stages of the war and are great examples of how politics got in the way of actually winning the war. Although most people here probably have a low opinion of MacArthur already, Blamey really fares no better and is quite suprising how screwed up things really were during the Kokoda and New Guinea campaigns.
Those Ragged Bloody Heroes: From the Kokoda Trail to Gona Beach 1942 by Peter Brune
A Bastard of a Place: The Australians in Papua by Peter Brune
RE: Books for Allied Players
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herwin,
I live in San Jose if you want to get together.
Mike
Perhaps for a drink while I'm at IJCNN 2011 (San Jose Doubletree Hotel, July 31-August 5)
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
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RE: Books for Allied Players
If you don't have it yet, herwin, you should get "Black Shoe Carrier Admiral" by John Lundstrom.
You're not coming through Phoenix, Arizona, per chance at any time are you? I'm usually in Southern California on weekends (Orange County, north of San Diego County) but am staying in Phoenix for the next 7 weeks.
You're not coming through Phoenix, Arizona, per chance at any time are you? I'm usually in Southern California on weekends (Orange County, north of San Diego County) but am staying in Phoenix for the next 7 weeks.
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RE: Books for Allied Players
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If you don't have it yet, herwin, you should get "Black Shoe Carrier Admiral" by John Lundstrom.
You're not coming through Phoenix, Arizona, per chance at any time are you? I'm usually in Southern California on weekends (Orange County, north of San Diego County) but am staying in Phoenix for the next 7 weeks.
Not close.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Books for Allied Players
Burma, The Longest War by Louis Allen.
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"History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
- Nigel Molesworth.
RE: Books for Allied Players
I am reading Hugh Ambrose's The Pacific and came across a character Ensign Micheel. Found him in AE Scenario 10 - under VS-6. [:D] Talk about AE being historical to the minute details. [&o][&o][&o]
RE: Books for Allied Players
Combined Fleet Decoded, by John Prados. Excellent information on the intelligence war for players of either side (and a must-read for game designers, IMHO).
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RE: Books for Allied Players
I would nominate Warfighting: Maneuver Warfare in the U.S. Marine Corps, edited by Lt. Col. H.T. Hayden. This is a good book to use to make operational plans. Copyright date is 1995 so some aspects may have now been supplanted.
RE: Books for Allied Players
Both of Lundstrom's First Team book are excellent. Particularly liked the first book due to the detailed description of early US CV Operations and the development of doctrine.

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RE: Books for Allied Players
Seconded. One of my favorites. Read in parrallel with Slim's Defeat into Victory for two very different perspectives on the Burma campaign.ORIGINAL: sprior
Burma, The Longest War by Louis Allen.
RE: Books for Allied Players
+1 for _Combined Fleet Decoded_ by Prados. An excellent read, combine it w/ _Battle of Wits_ by Stephen Budiansky, for more code-breaking goodness.
looking forward to exploring the books of Spector, Wilmott & Brune mentioned in this thread.
compelled to add that i thought James Hornfischer's _Neptune's Inferno_ was v. disapointing, great premise for the book was not backed up. Stick w/ Richard Franks for your Guadalcanal-theater reading.
looking forward to exploring the books of Spector, Wilmott & Brune mentioned in this thread.
compelled to add that i thought James Hornfischer's _Neptune's Inferno_ was v. disapointing, great premise for the book was not backed up. Stick w/ Richard Franks for your Guadalcanal-theater reading.
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RE: Books for Allied Players
If you're in San Diego you should go see the USS Midway Museum on the harbor and the Aviation Museum in Balboa Park (the Maritime Museum close to the Midway is worth it too). If you're in San Francisco you should go to Alameda (across the Bay) and see the USS Hornet II (Essex class carrier) Museum.
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RE: Books for Allied Players
I like the binocular idea. I can read on a plane or at home.
Come on Harry, head for the beach!
Come on Harry, head for the beach!
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