Invading Russia

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How foolish of me to think that the retreats after every battle and subsequent seeking, signing and maintenance of the non-aggression pact
had any significance whatsoever.

Indeed, as there were several major skirmishes with Soviet forces in addition to Nomanhan and the results were not always retreats...nor did every battle during Nomanhan result in a retreat and/or defeat. The seeking and signing of agreements and ultimately a non-aggression pact was part and parcel of the posturing, both diplomatically and at times, militarily that frequently occured along the vast Siberian/Manchurian border of which there were constant incidents and disputes on certain pieces of territory. Neither side wanted full scale war (not counting some radical voices within the troublesome Kwantung army), but neither side was going to have it's perceived soverenty compromised either. Thus like two children in a playground there were incidents and a few flash points but ultimately both sides backed down. Nomanhan was the biggest flash point of course and was a clear operational defeat for Japan, but the result was the same after the shooting stopped....both sides agreed to cease and an uneasy peace resumed. The non-aggression pact suited both sides at the time, but at one point after the German invasion the Kwantung Army did build up for a possible invasion. Its an interesting what if of course had it attacked Russia.

I am also unaware of the "institutionalized" use of Japanese soliders fanatically strapping mines to their chests and throwing themselves at Russian tanks in the period prior to the start of WWII as you suggested. I can recommend a couple of very good books on Nomanhan if your seriously interested in the subject.....which i doubt based on your recent pattern of posts. But the offer stands.


I'm interested! What are the names of these very good books?
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Nik,

I haven't read all of those particular disagreements you mentioned but I have read some of them. What you characterize as a racially tinged remark about CarDiv5's pilots I did not see as that. Rice balls and sushi are a normal part of the diet in that culture. Someone making a similarly flippant remark about US pilots with high rankings that the commentator felt undeserved might quip "I suppose their great skills were due to eating cheeseburgers and fries?" Nothing racial about that remark either, just flippant and customized to the subject.

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I wish you would have not said that. I'm trying to lose weight(I'm about 35 lbs over) and I LIVE for cheeseburgers and french fries. [:(]
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I'm interested! What are the names of these very good books?

The book you need to start with is Nomonhan: Japan Against Russia 1939 by Alvin D. Coox. (sorry...i always mis-spell the author's name initially)

It's the thus far definitive account of the battle and also includes the full history of the Kwantung Army and the situation in Manchuria. It's similar to the later works by David Glantz....aka, its mind numbing in it's detail. at 1,276 pages, it will keep you busy for a while. I exhausted 12 highlighters on it. (ok...i'm highlighter happy.....trying to be better...thank god for Kindle! still....thats how good it was if you rate it in highlighters instead of stars)

A good 2nd source to cross reference with is Krivosheev, G.F., Soviet Casualties and Combat Losses In The Twentieth Century, Stackpole: Pennsylvania, 1997.
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12 highlighters? Do they not put indexes in these books you read? [8|][:D]
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oh and an entire lead pencil for my own notes. [:)]
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You'd use fewer highlighters if you'd only highlight the stuff you didn't want to highlight. [:'(]
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You'd use fewer highlighters if you'd only highlight the stuff you didn't want to highlight. [:'(]
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The book you need to start with is Nomonhan: Japan Against Russia 1939 by Alvin D. Coox. (sorry...i always mis-spell the author's name initially)

You can most of the book online http://books.google.com/books?id=SIAwKi ... &q&f=false

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