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samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:46 am

Next version, including corrections and some Croat divisions (which were a pain due to their custom TO&E!) can be found here.

A couple more divisions and we get to the Neue Art divisions, which should be interesting.

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:48 am

Slow progress, but here is the next installment. Only three divisions done with TO&E and all this time, but one of those is probably the most detailed I've done so far.

More to come, assuming I'm not distracted by my map-making project during my vacation.[8|]

Panama · Post by **Panama** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:53 am

I'm beginning to think most everyone on this forum is either unemployed or retired. [:D]

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:59 am

Who else would spent hours figuring out what kind of French howitzer a certain division used?

sPzAbt653 · Post by **sPzAbt653** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:32 am

You might want to check the Rifle Squad count for the 369 and 373 Div's - there might be a discrepancy between the division count and the component count.

For the TOE.2 file, there are no 'AT Squads', so I took the liberty of giving the AT Abt for the above two units '(24) 37mm Door Knockers'.

sPzAbt653 · Post by **sPzAbt653** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:50 am

From page 97 -

22 Sturmhaubitzen (no source as to which mark – I would guess StuH42)

I like to think I can usually figure these things out, but in this case I'm not sure what is meant by the 'Sturmhaubitzen' because as far as I know the StuH 42 was only issued to Panzer Divisions. If I had to guess, I would think that they mean the StuG 75/48, which was very numerous from '42 on.

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:03 am

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

You might want to check the Rifle Squad count for the 369 and 373 Div's - there might be a discrepancy between the division count and the component count.

For the TOE.2 file, there are no 'AT Squads', so I took the liberty of giving the AT Abt for the above two units '(24) 37mm Door Knockers'.

No discrepancy, just my lazy cutting and pasting again. These divisions had no training battalion, so the reference to one should be deleted.

The door knockers seem fair enough. It seems they were starting to be phased out of the "proper" units about this time, so giving them to the Croats would seem logical.

As ever, thanks for catching the mistakes!

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:25 am

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

From page 97 -

22 Sturmhaubitzen (no source as to which mark – I would guess StuH42)

I like to think I can usually figure these things out, but in this case I'm not sure what is meant by the 'Sturmhaubitzen' because as far as I know the StuH 42 was only issued to Panzer Divisions. If I had to guess, I would think that they mean the StuG 75/48, which was very numerous from '42 on.

This hits on my weakness; i don't know much about AFV's (yet). Ask me about fighter planes instead!

However, some further research has revealed that there was no 282 abt. Only one source mentions it. Tessin doesn't list it at all.

Instead it seems the abteilung in question was the 905th. On this i have the following:

Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 905

Sturmgeschütz-Brigade 905 (Feb 44)

Heeres-Sturmartillerie-Brigade 905 (Fall 44)

Dec 42 - formed at Jüterbog, with three batteries

Mar 43 - arrives in 7th Army's sector

Apr 43 - transferred from 7th Army, France

Jul 43 - Corps Raus, Armee Abteilung Kempf, Army Group South (23 StuG III and 9 StuH 42; 23 vehicles operational and 8 under repair)

Aug 43 - attached to 282nd Infantry Division, XLII Corps, 8th Army, Army Group South (2 StuGs operational 21 under repair)

Jan 44 - assigned to XI Corps, 8th Army, Army Group South, Kirovograd; later Fourth Rumanian/Eighth Army, Army Group South Ukraine

Aug 44 - Eighth Army, Army Group South Ukraine

1945 Fifth Panzer Army (Eifel and Rhine), after rebuilding

So it seems logical to assume that when the unit was re-assigned it lost its StuH's and retained its StuG III's.

Make sense to you?

sPzAbt653 · Post by **sPzAbt653** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:07 pm

Make sense to you?

Yes, but I see now a lot of StuH 42's in the independent StuG units, so I'm glad I looked because another source said they were in the Pz Div's (it didn't say they were 'only' in the Pz Div's).

I wouldn't include StuG 905 in the 282.Inf standard TOE.

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:30 am

I still need to check up on this, but it seems the StuGs were there pretty much from the get go with this division. I have been thinking of listing the StuG units separately when i get on to the panzers (sometime in the late 23rd century[:D]), but it seems convenient to me to have them listed along with the divisions they were assigned to. Otherwise they might get left out (and THAT would obviously precipitate severe earthquakes, tsunamis and the end of the world generally, due to the displeasure of the gods of historical gaming![;)])

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:27 pm

Here is the next bit. Getting into the new stuff now! Also getting close to finishing the infantry.

ColinWright · Post by **ColinWright** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:51 pm

ORIGINAL: polarenper

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

You might want to check the Rifle Squad count for the 369 and 373 Div's - there might be a discrepancy between the division count and the component count.

For the TOE.2 file, there are no 'AT Squads', so I took the liberty of giving the AT Abt for the above two units '(24) 37mm Door Knockers'.

No discrepancy, just my lazy cutting and pasting again. These divisions had no training battalion, so the reference to one should be deleted.

The door knockers seem fair enough. It seems they were starting to be phased out of the "proper" units about this time, so giving them to the Croats would seem logical.

As ever, thanks for catching the mistakes!

Maybe you're already doing this, but you might want to mark information that's a guess with an asterisk or something.

A lot of times, when I'm looking at one of this sort of thing, I find myself wondering what actually has some documentation behind it and what's merely a best guess.

The problem's endemic to wargaming, as you have to fill the holes with something. You can't just have 373.Infanterie (undefined) as a unit.

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:04 pm

If i have no source for a unit i state that fact, and also where i got the to&e i decided to use.[8D]

Telumar · Post by **Telumar** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:41 pm

The link to www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de in the document's preface has a typo. Just substitute the c in lexicon for a k.

Otherwise, good work!

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:23 pm

ORIGINAL: Telumar

The link to www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de in the document's preface has a typo. Just substitute the c in lexicon for a k.

Otherwise, good work!

Fixed, thanks.

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:02 pm

Erm, ive made a significant error with the division n.A. they should have significantly more infantry. I've fixed it, and will upload the new version when i get sick of working on it for today.

Sorry![:o][8|]

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:13 pm

All right, enough for one day!
Here is the new and improved version.

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:38 pm

That's it! I've finished with the infantry! Get it here!

Next part will start with light/jager and mountain divisions. Then ... well, one thing at a time. But as long as i keep my interest alive I'll eventually get to motorized troops, then armored, and finally SS, Luftwaffe and Navy troops.

EDIT: I should add that I am certain to have missed things. If you find something strange, or thee is something you can't find, give me a shout and I'll look into it. I'll add what's missing or at least explain why it's not been included. Finally, i should say that you are free to do with the document what you like. Host it, email it etc. Just please leave my name in there somewhere!

samba_liten · Post by **samba_liten** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:15 am

Here we go. The first little segment of the next part of the project. On track for completion in time for the 2222 Olympics in Ulan-Bator.

Get it here.

sPzAbt653 · Post by **sPzAbt653** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:37 pm

Uh oh ... what are you working on now grandmaster Fred ?

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