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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

I've seen what appears to be a movement in supplies and/or fuel between Tulagi and Lunga, even though they are separate islands. Since your supplies are so important on Tulagi it wouldn't hurt to hoard them (or whatever the command is in the base panel).

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That would be really strange! BTW i'm sure troops cannot move from Tulagi to Lunga so it seems logic that supplies/fuel cannot move either...[&:]



A good turn the last one.

Feb 26,27 1943

Japan moves in the KB, placing her one hex west of Shortland. We moved to Tulagi 2 strong SCTFs composed only of Fletcher DDs and two CLs (The Boise and the Releigh) as flag ships in order to cover the arrival of an important convoy with 20,000 supplies to Tulagi.

We have placed our best fighters at Tulagi to act as a CAP umbrella. Spits, P-40Ks and KittihawksIII.

Japan noticed that and sent 150 Zeros to sweep the base. This time we were ready to meet them and it was a carnage! Our CAP remained strong even after that and when the Kates and Vals from the KB arrived, we had the upper hand.
Our ships are safe and after 2 days we claim more than 100 enemy planes shot down over Tulagi, losing "only" 20 of ours.

KB attacked also a little convoy delivering men at Tassafaronga...we lost an APD and a little AP but nothing else.

Thousands Ships Bay reached level 1 AF...we all know what it means...

Rennell Island was again occupied by Japanese Paras. We'll take it back asap.

...March is going to be bloody....

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We're fighting with fangs and nails, grabbed at those pieces of rock in the middle of nowhere not to be kicked out.
We're fighting. We're bleeding...and we're still there.

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i do wonder how's the state of his KB pilots by now...his losses have been huge...
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Japan noticed that and sent 150 Zeros to sweep the base. This time we were ready to meet them and it was a carnage! Our CAP remained strong even after that and when the Kates and Vals from the KB arrived, we had the upper hand.
Our ships are safe and after 2 days we claim more than 100 enemy planes shot down over Tulagi, losing "only" 20 of ours.

That's a good rate of exchange, with any luck it's going to have cost him a lot of those pilots as well.
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Japan noticed that and sent 150 Zeros to sweep the base. This time we were ready to meet them and it was a carnage! Our CAP remained strong even after that and when the Kates and Vals from the KB arrived, we had the upper hand.
Our ships are safe and after 2 days we claim more than 100 enemy planes shot down over Tulagi, losing "only" 20 of ours.

That's a good rate of exchange, with any luck it's going to have cost him a lot of those pilots as well.

I bet it have! The battles were all fought over Tulagi and, considering what happens to my pilots shot down when we fight over enemy territory, a good 70% of those bastards are now in my POWs[8D].

With all the losses suffered at Karachi and during the Ndani raid last month, his pre-war KB pilots must be all gone by now. For sure he has a good training program but he cannot have no more lots of those super-humans pre-war pilots
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Japan noticed that and sent 150 Zeros to sweep the base. This time we were ready to meet them and it was a carnage! Our CAP remained strong even after that and when the Kates and Vals from the KB arrived, we had the upper hand.
Our ships are safe and after 2 days we claim more than 100 enemy planes shot down over Tulagi, losing "only" 20 of ours.

That's a good rate of exchange, with any luck it's going to have cost him a lot of those pilots as well.

I bet it have! The battles were all fought over Tulagi and, considering what happens to my pilots shot down when we fight over enemy territory, a good 70% of those bastards are now in my POWs[8D].

With all the losses suffered at Karachi and during the Ndani raid last month, his pre-war KB pilots must be all gone by now. For sure he has a good training program but he cannot have no more lots of those super-humans pre-war pilots

I dont think you realize it, but with a some more aircraft to use you'd have easily the upper hand when it comes to air war. Your LBA is fighting both KB and his 2000-plane LBA and beating them at loss rate of 3:1 or so. [;)]

Once you start getting Hellcats, and if you decide to use them as LBA, his air force will collapse. He is not getting better planes before the arrival of N1K/J2M in the 3rd quarter of the year and Ki-84 in early 44 or late 43.
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That's a good rate of exchange, with any luck it's going to have cost him a lot of those pilots as well.

I bet it have! The battles were all fought over Tulagi and, considering what happens to my pilots shot down when we fight over enemy territory, a good 70% of those bastards are now in my POWs[8D].

With all the losses suffered at Karachi and during the Ndani raid last month, his pre-war KB pilots must be all gone by now. For sure he has a good training program but he cannot have no more lots of those super-humans pre-war pilots

I dont think you realize it, but with a some more aircraft to use you'd have easily the upper hand when it comes to air war. Your LBA is fighting both KB and his 2000-plane LBA and beating them at loss rate of 3:1 or so. [;)]

Once you start getting Hellcats, and if you decide to use them as LBA, his air force will collapse. He is not getting better planes before the arrival of N1K/J2M in the 3rd quarter of the year and Ki-84 in early 44 or late 43.


The problem isn't the loss rate. The problem is the sustainability in the long run of these losses. He can replace his a/c, while i cannot. My pools are always empty and i have no reserves, so i have to pick my battles with a lot of care...
As soon as i'll get the Hellcats i'll be able to throw on the battlefield more than 250 modern fighter each month, which will mean that i could stand and fight and not only do a hit-and-run tactic
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I bet it have! The battles were all fought over Tulagi and, considering what happens to my pilots shot down when we fight over enemy territory, a good 70% of those bastards are now in my POWs[8D].

With all the losses suffered at Karachi and during the Ndani raid last month, his pre-war KB pilots must be all gone by now. For sure he has a good training program but he cannot have no more lots of those super-humans pre-war pilots

I dont think you realize it, but with a some more aircraft to use you'd have easily the upper hand when it comes to air war. Your LBA is fighting both KB and his 2000-plane LBA and beating them at loss rate of 3:1 or so. [;)]

Once you start getting Hellcats, and if you decide to use them as LBA, his air force will collapse. He is not getting better planes before the arrival of N1K/J2M in the 3rd quarter of the year and Ki-84 in early 44 or late 43.


The problem isn't the loss rate. The problem is the sustainability in the long run of these losses. He can replace his a/c, while i cannot. My pools are always empty and i have no reserves, so i have to pick my battles with a lot of care...
As soon as i'll get the Hellcats i'll be able to throw on the battlefield more than 250 modern fighter each month, which will mean that i could stand and fight and not only do a hit-and-run tactic

Maybe, but currently his air force, despite its numbers, is thanks to its poor pilots unable to fulfill its mission: he is nowhere near air superiority in the area and each time he chooses to use his strike aircraft he loses them in hundreds. Even if they got though they probably wouldnt hit much. Last week I saw you had a Spitfire ace with 33 kills... Dare ask Rader how many do his top pilots have, or how many 20+ kill, EXP 99 aces does he have? [;)][:D]
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Don't agree completeley. He's being more cautious than usual with his Air Force. He still has the power of sending sweeps of 5/600 modern fighters over my bases...and, even if i win in terms of numbers, i'll lose the battle cause my ships and my airfields will be voulnerable to the following bombers attack.

Now he has AFs at one hex from my bases and that will mean that the jaws of his Air Force are closing on us...we need to resist and fight back untill we can put some decent numbers in the air...like we did at Karachi...
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Ok we've not finished yet our order phase but more or less we've decided.

We'll stay and fight for another day. 115 fighters will remain at Tulagi with range 0. 50 fighters at Lunga with LRCAP Tulagi at 100%. 70 wildcats at Karakira with CAP range 3 (need some cover for the moving ships in the southern approaches).
50 fighters at Tassafaronga will escort (0%CAP) 70 SDB and 45 Torpedo Bombers with range 1.
A TF composed of 8 DDs will move to Tulagi, while the Releigh TF will bombard Thousands Ships Bay and will soon retire to Ndeni. CL Boise with her 6 Fletchers DD escort will patroll Tulagi with range 3.

A TF with a Coastal Artillery REGIMENT (yes, 20 155mm guns[8D]) will arrive at Tulagi tonight, along with 20k supplies. We badly need to have that battery ashore and those supplies too.

We do predict a great attack by japanese forces for Tomorrow. We do espect a SCTF at night and a strong reaction by his LBA and KB during the day. We have considered the risk of losing a LOT of good planes but these are the last adjustments to my disposition in the Solomons. I wanna have those guys ashore and i wanna have thousands ships bay bombard by ships before my 4Es (that are still resting) will be called in.

The Marine CD unit at Tassafaronga (the TF has been attacked yesterday) will hopefully be ashore by dawn...will be at risk...i know...but it's a risk i can efford to sustain.

Tomorrow we'll also bomb the paras at Rennell Island and we'll immediately drop ours own paras. We wanna that damned base back in our hands.

My plans, again, are to fight and "offensive defence". Till i fight my aerial battles over my own territory he's losing more than me.

Let's see...

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GreyJoy, those aircraft losses shown on your Intelligence Screen:  Wow!  Nearly two to one and decidedly in favor of the Allies.  Very few players have seen numbers like these, and for a newcomer to achieve them against an experience player in a Scenario Two match is remarkable.
 
You have found your opponent's achilles heel.  The tendon in his heel (the Japanese airforce) has snapped.  The wound is open.  He is bleeding profusely.  One of your highest priorities right now should be to further attrit the enemy airforce whenever and wherever possible (of course, you already know this, but soemtimes it helps to look at it from a different angle).
 
Typically, the Japanese navy is also an Achilles Heal.  Japan has a limited number of battleships, cruisers and aircraft carriers. Each one of those you claim is a big score.  Eventually you'll probably begin whittling down the IJN navy.  If you win the air war, Japan's aggression will diminish, you'll gradually change over to Allied aggression, and rader will have to employ his navy to slow you down.  But if you break the back of his air force in the meantime, his navy is going to be much more vulnerable.
 
Keep up the good fight.
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GreyJoy, those aircraft losses shown on your Intelligence Screen:  Wow!  Nearly two to one and decidedly in favor of the Allies.  Very few players have seen numbers like these, and for a newcomer to achieve them against an experience player in a Scenario Two match is remarkable.

You have found your opponent's achilles heel.  The tendon in his heel (the Japanese airforce) has snapped.  The wound is open.  He is bleeding profusely.  One of your highest priorities right now should be to further attrit the enemy airforce whenever and wherever possible (of course, you already know this, but soemtimes it helps to look at it from a different angle).

Typically, the Japanese navy is also an Achilles Heal.  Japan has a limited number of battleships, cruisers and aircraft carriers. Each one of those you claim is a big score.  Eventually you'll probably begin whittling down the IJN navy.  If you win the air war, Japan's aggression will diminish, you'll gradually change over to Allied aggression, and rader will have to employ his navy to slow you down.  But if you break the back of his air force in the meantime, his navy is going to be much more vulnerable.

Keep up the good fight.

Don't know CR if this vision is too optimistic.
We all thought Rader's got his backbone broken during the air battles of Karachi, where his fighters and bombers were falling in droves...and he had not.
Probably his avg pilot quality has decreased. That's for sure imho. But he still has so many planes that it's easy to compensate at least part of his losses.
For sure we're improving. For sure we're getting stronger and our losses can, under certain limits, be replaced (talking about Navy now).
Now i need to start to exchange 1 ship for another ship of the same class. I have to stop losing major ships for nothing...but, unfortunately, i cannot count on Rader's mistakes, cause he seldom does any. So to sink his ships, to kill his pilots, i need to begin to really attrit him and the Solomons are prooving to be a good attrition field.

I need to have him bleed against my walls. he still has to save from destruction those 5 divisions trapped at Tulagi since Jannuary. Don't think he can efford to lose them. At the same time he cannot let me live in the Solomons...if he did so within the next few months i'd start to bomb Rabaul back to stoneage....no, he need to dislodge me from there. To do that, once he discovered that the frontal clash was too expensive (remember the terrible landings at Tulagi) he wisely decided to advance slowly building an incredible chain of mutually supporting bases in order to strangle Lunga and starve it imposing a definitive air and naval blockade.

...and we have to fight still to remain alive and to gain time...time is on my side (as the old song says). He's now fully committed here, as am i. But every day i get new toys...and in April things will be changing.
With those 130 Hellcats (plus the 45 Wildcats, the 65 P-40Ks, the 30 Kitti and Spits V, the 30 Corsairs, the 40 P-38s and the 25 P-39s) i'll be able to stand a continuous defensive CAP over Lunga and Tulagi...and my walls will get stronger.
...and in April we'll start our counteroffensive from Karachi...we'll open another front again....and he'll have to divert more air assets there...

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I'm the man on the wall. I'm the man of the watch. I will never surrender

Wow, this is not the same GreyJoy as started this game for sure [&o]
Going to be interesting


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I'm the man on the wall. I'm the man of the watch. I will never surrender

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I'm the man on the wall. I'm the man of the watch. I will never surrender

"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall"

Col. Nathan Jesup, USMC

Excatly! i was thinking at that precise movie (or book, whatever)[:D]

Col. Jessep, was you the one who ordered the "Code Red" ? [8D]
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When this is over I'll be interested to hear from Rader whether it was his plan all along to see if numbers could make up for poor pilot quality in the air, or whether or Greyjoy just forced him down that path by mauling his air force so badly over Karachi.

Greyjoy, I'm in the camp that says if you're holding in the air now, the Hellcat with its increased numbers and quality will ruin Rader's day.
Re-edited in: Also, was that an ASOIAF reference?
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"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come"
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As a region, the Solomons and New Ireland really aren't that important, especially as you get later in the game.  There are regions that are much more important (for resources) or much closer to Japan's heart.

However, the Solomons/New Irelland have become important because that's where the two sides seem to be fighting their Guadalcanal. It really isn't important when and even if you conquer Shortlands, Rabaul, etc, though you may well eventually and can make good use of them.  What is important is that you are meeting in a titanic engagement that is bleeding Japan badly. Hear this:  The real focus of this campaign is to kill the enemy and destroy his assets.  As long as he's coming to you, you are fine and don't have to press your luck.  Eventually, as he weakens, you may have to push him a bit to get him to fight hard.  But for the moment you are safe to put expansion plans way on the back burner as you concentrate on creating killing fields.
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When this is over I'll be interested to hear from Rader whether it was his plan all along to see if numbers could make up for poor pilot quality in the air, or whether or Greyjoy just forced him down that path by mauling his air force so badly over Karachi.

Greyjoy, I'm in the camp that says if you're holding in the air now, the Hellcat with its increased numbers and quality will ruin Rader's day.

Well, considering how my training program is going, i won't call his pilots "poorly trained". My guess is that, by now, most of his pilots are 50 exp, 70 A2A and 40/50 def...so basically as good as mines when they come out of the training program.
The fact is that my front line pilots are all well beyond those standards. USAFF, AUS and Brit pilots actually flyin are all with exp 70+, with the A2A skill in their high 70s and Def between 50 and 60. These are all those pilots who survived the Battle for India.
While my USMC pilots are probably matching their japanese counterparts.

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As a region, the Solomons and New Ireland really aren't that important, especially as you get later in the game.  There are regions that are much more important (for resources) or much closer to Japan's heart.

However, the Solomons/New Irelland have become important because that's where the two sides seem to be fighting their Guadalcanal. It really isn't important when and even if you conquer Shortlands, Rabaul, etc, though you may well eventually and can make good use of them.  What is important is that you are meeting in a titanic engagement that is bleeding Japan badly. Hear this:  The real focus of this campaign is to kill the enemy and destroy his assets.  As long as he's coming to you, you are fine and don't have to press your luck.  Eventually, as he weakens, you may have to push him a bit to get him to fight hard.  But for the moment you are safe to put expansion plans way on the back burner as you concentrate on creating killing fields.

Precisely CR. That's exactly what i think. At the moment i cannot hope to go on the offensive. He's still too strong and i wanna risk another disaster like Tarawa or PM. I could not efford a third one, while the early conquest of the Solomons is offering me now the chance of actually fighting him without always being offbalance. If i can bleed him enough here, then i will be able to start thinking of something more strategically important for the year 1944 (basically DEI).

Obviously a drawback in the Solomons will hurt...but not as much as a failure in a amphibious operation far from my bases (Timor, Southern Dei, Kuriles or whatever).

Now i'm curious to see how India will unfold during the rest of 1943. I know he's buildind a lot in Burma (intel says he has some good eng units there) and he had time to dig well in!...sooner or later i'll be able to get out of Karachi and reconquer India back...so then, at least, he will have to face me on 2 fronts
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