AC-130 and terrorists don't mix... video

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:50 am

Originally posted by CCB
And you, of course, have magic personal inside info on that these particulars are dead 'afghans'? They may be, but YOU dont know that.*

Agreed!
or:
Whoopsie!
or:
Auuh... ya got me in the gut!

Its also pretty irrelevant.

CCB · Post by **CCB** » Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:55 am

By Thor's Hammer you will learn 'humility' young one. :p

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:58 am

Originally posted by dighost
MSG I have no problems here with you, I agree its probably not the right thing to do to gloat over a mans death.

Of course if or when bin laden and his fellow terrorists die, I won't be cryin' a river either

Redneck stuff doesn't bother me at all-- in fact here is a joke my southern wife told me..hehe

No tears for that particular tall fella or his playmates from my side either, thats for sure. Personally though, Id prefer to se him locked up in a mental asylum for life, I think he´d like that less than being killed anyway.

As for the redneck stuff, Im an opponent, although unwilling perpetrator now and again of course, of generalizations. I TRY to catch myself though. Culi just asked (literally!) for it!

Cap Mandrake · Post by **Cap Mandrake** » Fri Dec 27, 2002 11:07 pm

Speaking of rednecks...I've often wondered, in the Southern Hemisphere, does the FRONT of their neck get red;) ?

Secondly, I am worried about Bin Ladin, my wife thinks he is good looking...says he has "sensitive eyes":(

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 1:01 am

Originally posted by Cap Mandrake
Speaking of rednecks...I've often wondered, in the Southern Hemisphere, does the FRONT of their neck get red;) ?

Secondly, I am worried about Bin Ladin, my wife thinks he is good looking...says he has "sensitive eyes":(

If I was you, Id be more worried about the wife!!!

Cap Mandrake · Post by **Cap Mandrake** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 4:13 am

MSG...if old Bin shows up here...he can have her...I'll turn him in for the reward and pay off all the credit card bills she ran up for Christmas.

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 4:16 pm

Originally posted by Cap Mandrake
MSG...if old Bin shows up here...he can have her...I'll turn him in for the reward and pay off all the credit card bills she ran up for Christmas.

Its just as they say, cant live with 'em, cant live without 'em!:D

11Bravo · Post by **11Bravo** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 9:03 pm

Originally posted by Cap Mandrake
Speaking of rednecks...I've often wondered, in the Southern Hemisphere, does the FRONT of their neck get red;) ?

Secondly, I am worried about Bin Ladin, my wife thinks he is good looking...says he has "sensitive eyes":(

Women are drawn to power. And to red cars, but not to red necks.

Cap Mandrake · Post by **Cap Mandrake** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 11:49 pm

Bravo;

You are indeed all-knowing. Ever since I got that new Red Geo Metro with AM/FM and casette, the women are all over me!

rockymtndoc · Post by **rockymtndoc** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 12:16 am

Unless you are used to it, or have extensive military background in combat ops, MSG's reaction is going to be pretty typical. I imagine he has watched the aircraft slam into the World Trade Center numerous times. I hope he remembers to say the same things each time,loudly enough to be heard around the world.

Unfortunately, life isn't fair, and it almost never is pretty. The best way to avoid being a target is to stay as far away from actions and conflicts which may cast you in that light. Waving guns and dancing in the streets each time Americans die, for example, is not target avoidance behavior.

brent_2 · Post by **brent_2** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:24 am

Originally posted by rockymtndoc
Waving guns and dancing in the streets each time Americans die, for example, is not target avoidance behavior.

this has sigline potential my friend

Noodleboy · Post by **Noodleboy** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 2:24 pm

If they were grade A genuine Talebs or Wahabi volunteers responsible for oppressing an entire nation then i, like so many others on this DB ain't gonna shed too many tears.

The problem arises with, how the hell do we know we're not watching some poor bastard's wedding party being blown to hell?

This stuff just frightens me...

moore4807 · Post by **moore4807** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:48 pm

all of you guys -give it up

ALL Americans aren't fat, confederate flag flying, crush empty beer cans into our forehead stupid morons.
ALL Swedes aern't blond, blue eyed, 3 girls on your arm, dashing princes either.
As was noted, death isnt pretty, nice or enjoyable in real life, however since power is the root of all evil, war is the form to obtain or keep it.

Funny but since we are all posting on a WARGAMING site, why have the conversation anyway, we all enjoy in gaming what the video did (and still does) in real life. In Steel Panthers, a 105mm howitzer blowing a squad of men to smitereens is acceptable to us or we wouldn't be playing here, so why the difference????

I totally agree with MSG about war - there is a saying though that I keep in mind, I cant quote the author - but it goes

" It is good war is so horrible or else we would grow too fond of it"

Also my comment for 9/11/01 and the aftermath, if "they" want to hate us - Lets give them a reason...

Noodleboy · Post by **Noodleboy** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 4:57 pm

i think...

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:24 pm

Originally posted by Noodleboy
i think...

"It is well that war is so terrible--we should grow too fond of it"
- Robert E. Lee gave this observation while watching thousands of Union soldiers sent to the slaughter at Fredericksburg

More at;
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/La ... quote.html

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:34 pm

Originally posted by moore4807

Funny but since we are all posting on a WARGAMING site, why have the conversation anyway, we all enjoy in gaming what the video did (and still does) in real life. In Steel Panthers, a 105mm howitzer blowing a squad of men to smitereens is acceptable to us or we wouldn't be playing here, so why the difference????

Wargaming is of course war without the horror, and perhaps we who frequent this place do "grow to fond of it".

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:36 pm

Originally posted by CCB
By Thor's Hammer you will learn 'humility' young one. :p

Dont hold your breath!

The MSG · Post by **The MSG** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 5:50 pm

Originally posted by rockymtndoc
Unless you are used to it, or have extensive military background in combat ops, MSG's reaction is going to be pretty typical.

I havent said a word about my personal reaction to the video. I reacted to a comment made in this thread by Fallschirmjäger...

Originally posted by rockymtndoc

I imagine he has watched the aircraft slam into the World Trade Center numerous times. I hope he remembers to say the same things each time,loudly enough to be heard around the world.

Why do you imagine that? Because the massive coverage by various media or because you think I like watching stuff like this?

I caught the second aircraft and both towers collapsing live, and a very strong sense of unreality while watching it...

Originally posted by rockymtndoc

Unfortunately, life isn't fair, and it almost never is pretty. The best way to avoid being a target is to stay as far away from actions and conflicts which may cast you in that light. Waving guns and dancing in the streets each time Americans die, for example, is not target avoidance behavior.

Life isnt fair, so anything goes? Are you a fatalist perhaps?

So all the responsibility falls on the targets? The "shooter" isnt supposed to discriminate between them or what? I dont think you apply this logic in reverse, consider the implications for Israeli settlers in Palestinian areas...

Im still not refering to the particular ac-130 clip.

Noodleboy · Post by **Noodleboy** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:54 pm

Originally posted by The MSG
"It is well that war is so terrible--we should grow too fond of it"
- Robert E. Lee gave this observation while watching thousands of Union soldiers sent to the slaughter at Fredericksburg

More at;
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/La ... quote.html

i knew it was one of them -he had a beard didn't he?

moore4807 · Post by **moore4807** » Mon Dec 30, 2002 6:56 pm

MSG,
While I agree with your comments for the most part - check the bottom of my last post " If they want to hate us -Lets give them a reason..." is exactly WHY one can be opposed to violence yet understand and accept its inevitability.

I do not expect anyone to think America is right and good in all things, I do not expect that everyone will like us as a nation, I DO expect that no one will purposely fly commercial airliners filled with innocent passengers into buildings - ever!, or bomb them from the skies, calling fear as a "holy" means to change world power?

As obviously wrong as I was about that, I strongly feel that those who would wage "war" against non-military innocents lose the right to exist or breathe air. I believe exterminating the family of the terrorist is the only way to cause enough fear in them to stop thier activities since killing our non-military family members is "ok" by them. (funny we are the "barbarians" and they are holy men?)

As I understand it, certain Muslims have multiple wives and it is honorable to have many sons... its been ok for centuries and its ok with me - just if they are terrorists who attack non-military civilians then the same/next generation of thier family is killed in retribution for the terrorist act (an eye-for-an-eye overkill, but deterrent nonetheless) I imagine we would see them spending a lot more time protecting and providing for their family than making themselves into bombs to kill others.

Feel free to disagree and flame me if you must -fortunately I dont make America's foreign policy and think wiser men do this instead. Just record my vote at election time because I follow the laws of my country and I DO think theres a lot wrong with us as a nation- I just dont see the need to kill over it, we already settled that here about 150 yrs ago.

BTW - thank you for the attribute - I didnt know it was Lee.

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