The PERFECT WAR Mod: Allied Side

[John 3rd]

Got to think about it some. I find myself coming back to occupying North Vietnam--I mean Indochina--(setting off the Embargo) and then the war starts. Hmmm...'tis a puzzlement.

Thanks for the book info!

Passed the 2/3 point in Silent Victory and got to thinking about something. Why aren't Allied players FORCED to pull out the S-Boats and Older SS? In the late-summer and fall of 42 this is exactly what happened. Anybody know about that?

[Terminus]

All the old boats have withdrawal dates.

[oldman45]

They could take Indochina in Late 40 or early 41. This allows the US to put its embargo in place but that also triggers the UK moving more assets into the theater. That takes time though plus they have to worry about the heavy German and Italian ships. By late 41 or early 42 they have been taken care of, at least the Italians have with a FF North Africa. This allows the edge to remain in the axis camp till the arrivals of the French and British units. The US using its changes, has reinforced the PI after 36, the ABDA is strengthend but in the end the IJAF still has its way with them along with the heavy surface units of the IJN. There are more allied toys to play with but the big push doesn't happen till 43. Of course with a human axis player who knows what will happen. [;)] Don't forget the US gets a few more modern subs and modern DD's.

Sometime in 42 could see the arrival of a foreign legion regiment with some minor assets along with a French colonial div. The fast modern French BB's and BC's are still tied up doing convoy escort, Tirpitz is still lurking about. So the French send its sea plane carrier and one or two heavy cruisers along with a couple of CL's escorted by 4 or 5 DD's to bring the troops into the IO.

Hows that one? [:)]

[John 3rd]

Interesting...

Term: Shows just how much I play the Allies by asking that stupid question. Thanks.

[DOCUP]

I agree with Skyland.  The Japanese set up there bases next to Malaya can cover the invasions from there of both Indo-China and Burma.  These bases along with the China situation the US puts in place an oil embargo.  The US could help with AC and ammo ect. either way you decide to do it. 
 
I see alot of SCs and the sort going in the evil sister thread.  Might need some French subs to off set the loses for the Allies.  Just a thought. 
 
for a PBEM this would be a new game.  For AI, I can see it having its problems.  Interesting situation we got you all in, and where not helping you much.    I just ordered a book that might have some info on the modernisation of the big 5.  If it does I'll post it.
 
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[ewbender]

How about moving up P-38 available dates by 9 months? Source of this information is Fire In the Sky starting at page 262. ISBN 0-8133-3869-7

A Lockheed report stated that the P-38 development was set back by at least 9 months. In the perfect war mod, Lockheed focuses effort on development of the P-38 instead of (or in addition to) Hudsons. Allies could have P-38Fs on the front lines at war start.

[John 3rd]

Sorry...the JFB in me just started to cry at the thought of P-38s early. It is OK. I'll go find my wife to hold me! [:'(]

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Sorry...the JFB in me just started to cry at the thought of P-38s early. It is OK. I'll go find my wife to hold me! [:'(]

Would you negotiate some SuperCharged P-39's? Or would you rather that the USN figured out how to use the F4U very early.... like March or April 1942....?

Me...
I'm easy... I didn't add the extra 50 cals to the F4F-4.... Makes them almost behave like the FM2..

[DOCUP]

RevRick what would be the difference with a supercharged P-39 over the regular one

[oldman45]

They could fly over 10k. Which means there performance did not take a hit. They were a pretty good airplane once you learned its quirks.

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

RevRick what would be the difference with a supercharged P-39 over the regular one

A whole lot! The plane was entirely different with the supercharger. From what I have read, it would probably approach the performance of the P-63 in the game. Higher speed, higher ceiling, greater capacity, probably would have been still quite short legged, but still....

When I lost my hard drive about five months ago, I had the data for the website. I could probably still find it, but it would have made the early war a little more difficult for the IJN flyers.

[DOCUP]

Hmm must be a slow day.  So how would supercharging the orginal P-39, affect all the later versions.
 
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[John 3rd]

I have been doing some work on a tentative Japanese Atoll Defense Unit. Not much else exciting and, evidently, my partner in crime has been busy today as well.

[oldman45]

Putting in the two stage supercharger would allow the planes to fight at a higher altitude. It wasn't a bad plane but it had a nasty habit of going into a flat spin. The US used them in the pacific because they didn't have anything else.

[Bradley7735]

ORIGINAL: RevRick

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

RevRick what would be the difference with a supercharged P-39 over the regular one

A whole lot! The plane was entirely different with the supercharger. From what I have read, it would probably approach the performance of the P-63 in the game. Higher speed, higher ceiling, greater capacity, probably would have been still quite short legged, but still....

When I lost my hard drive about five months ago, I had the data for the website. I could probably still find it, but it would have made the early war a little more difficult for the IJN flyers.

I thought I read somewhere that a supercharged P-39 was very similar to the P-51, except the range. Of course, everything I've ever read is true.

Or was it that the P-51 with the prototype engine was similar to the P-39? It's been so long....

[Blackhorse]

ORIGINAL: oldman45

Putting in the two stage supercharger would allow the planes to fight at a higher altitude. It wasn't a bad plane but it had a nasty habit of going into a flat spin. The US used them in the pacific because they didn't have anything else.

For all its shortcomings, the Russians liked the P-39 a lot -- they thought it was a much better fighter than the P-40.

[CaptBeefheart]

Just got caught up with this. Very interesting, gentlemen. I would say Indochina should remain as Japanese (i.e. remain the same as stock). Otherwise, there's much less of a threat on Thailand to join Axis and it would cock up the Malaya operations. Say the governor there was a quisling who panicked and sold out to the Japanese in May 1940.

However, why not add a naval squadron at New Caledonia with a few Dewotine (sp?) 520s, with upgrades to U.S. equipment later, and perhaps a Legionnaire bn or rgt? Also, a few fleet and air units and colonial troops could be added later as reinforcements.

I have no idea how tough it would be to mod the map, but regarding Madagascar, perhaps you could port its facilities over to Mombasa, and even base a couple of French units there, so as to keep the map intact?

Cheers,
CC

[JWE]

While I would enjoy seeing lots of different nationality's Naval Sqds floating around, I'm reminded that there is a kinda-sorta logistics thing going on.

There's a bunch of AKEs and AXs, and NavSup squads about, but I doubt they would have 90mm M1926, or 138mm M1910, or 240mm M1902, shells in present stock, unless they are French, of course. We are already pushing the envelope by allowing nominal ships and nominal squads to rearm, resupply, rewhatever, both US and RN/RAN/RNZN ships without regard to nationality.

Couple French DDs and Avisos won't break the bank, but once they get significant numbers of ships in the early war period, I wonder just how one will get the right shells to the ships and the pate to the Officers.

[ed] This is my latest serious code push. Make it where Brit ships need to rearm from Brit bases or from a Brit tender - only. US ships need to rearm from US bases or from a US tender - only. That would put an end to the nonsense of the Illiterate, Repulsive, and Prince of Whales, sailing around in a TF with Enterprise, Lexington, and a couple Pensacolas. Tagging rearm to base (or tender) ownership would sure limit operational deployment of any French squadrons.

Know how it might be done, but it isn't transparent to stock, and can't be faked as an _Alt thing, so not likely to be coming to a beta near you. Oh, well.

[John 3rd]

I LIKE that John! Stop this total meshing of two Fleets that couldn't do that even in 1945.

[oldman45]

I love the idea, hope it can get implemented. I would like to add there were French naval stores in North Africa and to a lesser extent in the IO and Indochina. Since this mod assumes a transfer of French units to the Far East, then it would not be that much of a logistical problem for the French to ship stores over in 1940 and 41. Then the US could start making the ammo. Its not like we didn't do that for our other allies.