Community Awareness: gaming etiquette

[Mehring]

ORIGINAL: jzardos

ORIGINAL: Mehring

I really don't know what the problem is. Do you want to batter a beaten opponent to the bitter end? How unseemly. A win is a win, and if your opponent fights to the bitter end and loses or resigns, it matters not. You won. Enjoy! If you want a good challenge, increase your chances by soliciting an experienced opponent with some wins under their belt.

I think you're missing my point and the entire reason why I like to play these games.
It's not really about winning or losing for me. I think it's playing the under different circumstances that make it fun for me. If every time I played WitE it followed the same exact path, I would get bored with the game. So maybe I'm in a better position to win as Sov, but even if things were reversed I would still be playing. I hope that makes sense Mehring, not sure how else to explain my logic or enjoyment in playing these types of games.

Yes I do understand that for some people the situation and what you do with it is interresting, me included at times. You can learn an enormous amount from playing situations you don't necessarily have any hope of winning, particularly if it's a new situation for you or you think of a new way to play it. But that's not for everyone and not for all situations.

You are inverting portsmanship. If you have a fight with someone and they give in but you insist they stand up so you can keep on hitting them, is that sporting? No it's not, it's thuggery. Bottom line, a win is a win and if you're looking for and get something else, that's a bonus. Find someone who shares your enjoyment but don't expect everyone else will or even should.

[mmarquo]

>Do you want to batter a beaten opponent to the bitter end?

No; and I would almost always accept a resignation. It's disappearing into cyberspance without so much as a goodbye that is frustrating.

Marquo

[jzardos]

Well I understand what you're saying Mehring. But I don't look at it as beating on my opponent, just playing the game with the circumstances. Each player is entitled to view it how they want. It's just a game and I believe for me the fun part has nothing to do with if I'm on the losing end or not. Just playing the game and doing the best I can until the game ends. But we don't all think that way from what I understand. Yes, if there's a clear difference in ability, I probably wouldn't start a game with that person. So we don't always know. For example, I don't think, until more exp, that I would play a game against ComradeP. Since from the start it would always feel like the outcome was doom before t1.

[Michael T]

Marquo, I would like to play you some day.

[Encircled]

Yes I do understand that for some people the situation and what you do with it is interresting, me included at times. You can learn an enormous amount from playing situations you don't necessarily have any hope of winning, particularly if it's a new situation for you or you think of a new way to play it. But that's not for everyone and not for all situations.

Which is what I'm attempting to do here!

First turn (well, turn 38) sent back so lets see what I can do to salvage the situation.....

I've always wanted to be the new V3!

[jzardos]

Yes, thanks again Encircled. I just send you an email to propose a few things.

- going back 5-7 turns, about the point my opponent decided to just retreat 2-3 hexes each turn. Although this did save more of his troops, but now the line is further west then historical. He has over 3 million men and I think over 2.5k tanks to start t38. Which is better than I ever did for t38 as axis. Of course the Sov have 7 million men and 6k tanks.

- spending the spring moving the Soviets back to a more historical 42 summer start line. Yes, letting Leningrad get cut off as it was in summer 42.

I'm up for making it fun for Encircle. As odd it this might seem, with all the attention to organized my troops, I almost have this parent type connect with them. To seem how they will do with what I've tried to accomplish in adjustments in units and leadership. Probably more then people care to know about my attachment to my first real Soviet CG41 game.

[Encircled]

Stick to where you are

You deserve a chance to continue playing from this situation, and I want a chance to play from a poor situation as its all good practice.

Plus if I lose, I can always blame it on my previous German commander.....

[Michael T]

And if you win it..... I won't say it [X(]

[sveint]

I was the opponent here, for the record.

Ok, the drama of this story now continues. I need more opinions if I'm out of whack on this being something my opponent should agree on. As you can see above Encircled has graciously offered to take over this game. I've sent a few polite requests to my opponent to PM or Email Encircled with the password so he can play this on if he decides to after looking it over. I've yet to hear back from my opponent yet, which is kind of pissing me off even more. Should I feel this strongly that he should agree to this? Would it be possible to have a tester or veteran WitE member act as a mediator to help facilitate the passing of the game over to Encircled?

Looking desperately for anybody to play the hero and help there to be a somewhat happy end to this story.

Thanks

This is an example of why I stopped playing this game. jzardos expects an answer to emails within hours. And polite does not describe some of the emails I received.

There are two sides to every story and this really needs to end now. I wish jzardos and Encircled good gaming.

[elxaime]

IMHO, it is perfectly fine for someone to surrender/resign if things have reached a point where they are not enjoying the game. I would make one distinction though. If someone communicates and states the reasons for it, it shows some respect for the other person's expenditure of time as well. But far too often these things end with someone just deciding not to send or reply to emails anymore. I had that happen some time ago with a game of Moscow 41 - the German side player was unhappy with the way the game was going and just stopped sending turns and did not reply to my querying email. That is no good.

So, as long as people show mutual respect and communicate, I see no problem ending a game early. I do see a problem with people just dropping out without a word.

[76mm]

ORIGINAL: elxaime
So, as long as people show mutual respect and communicate, I see no problem ending a game early. I do see a problem with people just dropping out without a word.

One of the problems with server games is that unless you've exchanged e-mail addresses on the forum, there is no way to communicate with your opponent...

[mmarquo]

Michael,

When 1.05 comes out we can hammer out terms; my response time can only be 2 -3 moves/week at this time of year and given my other matches.

Marquo [:)]

[bwheatley]

ORIGINAL: abulbulian

I think that it would be a nice feature enhancement to have a special 'End Game' button with more choices as how it should end. Maybe two new features:

- End Game w/AI taking control: so if a player does want to play on, he can end the game this way and a turn will be saved giving future control to the AI.

- End Game w/new player: same conditions when a player doesn't want to play on, but now the password in the saved turn is reset so another human make take control and play on. Of course this can still be accomplished as happened here, for the previous player to just convey the password to the player taking over. However, sometimes we re-uses passwords and players might not want to disclose them in this manner.

What do people think the value of this feature would be?

In WITP we had a few major games that were passed off so that the whole war got finished. no reason you can't do that now with WITE. Well as long as you are not doing a server game.

[jazman]

ORIGINAL: bwheatley


In WITP we had a few major games that were passed off so that the whole war got finished. no reason you can't do that now with WITE. Well as long as you are not doing a server game.

So now the demand for German players to pick up 43-45 goes up... Good chance to hone your German 43-45 skills.

If you wonder if you are dealing with someone who can't take a beating as the German, play the 44 campaign. It's a morale check. If they're up to it, just skip it, and play what you really want. If they can't stand the idea, you know that, come 44 and you're beating them down, they won't be able to stand it.