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Oogulloo loop is hilarious! Sounds like a "GreyJoyism." [:D]
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
6/28/42
DEI: To my surprise, BB New Mexico sank after a long string of "damage control failure" messages. I also think CA Kumano slid under (reports of "heavy fires/heavy damage" during the battle yesterday; today, two Dave show up on the "ground" loss table for aircraft). The Japanese arrive in overwhelming numbers at Merak on Java's western tip, where tomorrow they'll "do battle" with 69 AV behind three forts.
CenPac: The Japanese reclaim Nauru Island after landing three more small infantry units. This is a disappointment to the Allies, who had reinforcements enroute, but it did buy the Allies the time needed to work on other islands and garrisons without molestation. I'm watching to see if the Japanese Mini-KB recently sighted near Pago Pago (since vanished) shows up around Baker Island or Tarawa.
SoPac: As stated, no sign of the Mini-KB, but a big IJ surface force is not far to the west of Pago Pago.
DEI: To my surprise, BB New Mexico sank after a long string of "damage control failure" messages. I also think CA Kumano slid under (reports of "heavy fires/heavy damage" during the battle yesterday; today, two Dave show up on the "ground" loss table for aircraft). The Japanese arrive in overwhelming numbers at Merak on Java's western tip, where tomorrow they'll "do battle" with 69 AV behind three forts.
CenPac: The Japanese reclaim Nauru Island after landing three more small infantry units. This is a disappointment to the Allies, who had reinforcements enroute, but it did buy the Allies the time needed to work on other islands and garrisons without molestation. I'm watching to see if the Japanese Mini-KB recently sighted near Pago Pago (since vanished) shows up around Baker Island or Tarawa.
SoPac: As stated, no sign of the Mini-KB, but a big IJ surface force is not far to the west of Pago Pago.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
The New Mexico's demise is too bad. However, it does not surprise me. My experience with the older Allied BBs in combat has been somewhat limited. Most of them are usually sunk or so damaged at PH that they are not in play for 6-12 months. By then, the games I have played are usually decided. However, the ones that have gotten into the thick of things have not fared well when damaged. It seems that they are not very hardy. Damage control does not seem to be very good on them.
Has this been the experience of others?
Has this been the experience of others?
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6/29/42
SoPac: The Japanese have committed BBs Yamato, Hyuga and Yamashiro, CAs Furutaka and Tone, and the Mini-KB to an operation that appears to consist of landing four additional naval guard units at Pago Pago. Steve probably needs to land two good divisions to handle this operations, assuming it would be worth doing in the first place, which I don't think it is. A squadron of SBD1s scored multiple hits on three troop-carrying xAK, while shore guns scored some hits too. CA Furutaka was set afire.
CenPac: Tarawa, Baker Island and Ocean Island are secure for the Allies. Makin, Abemama and Tabituea need some help. Overall, though, things look good in this region.
DEI: The Japanese airforce sortied in large numbers against Palembang, where I temporarily didn't have fighters (they have been covering important reinforcement convoys at Oosthaven). Flak did a decent job of downing about 20 Sally, Betty and Nell. The Allies had to withdraw a big handful of fighters tomorrow, so I withdrew them today, thus adding some PP, and replaced Percival with a good commander that also has a solid Administration rating. This was after getting a very helpful PM from a player who I think prefers to remain anonymous. He pointed out, among other things, that Percival's anemic Admin rating could affect recovery by disrupted troops and drawing upgrades/reinforcements from the pools.
Damage Control: Re princep01's post, Allied damage control is much different in AE than it was in WitP. In the latter, a damaged Allied ship that survived combat had a very good chance of making it to port. In AE, a moderately to heavily damaged ship has a high chance of not making it to port. I don't know which of the two models is more accurate, so I'm not being critical.
Appalachian Trail: Me and my two boys and a family friend will be leaving early tomorrow a.m. for a 40-mile backpacking trip on the Appalachian Trail from Fontanta Dam, North Carolina, to Newfound Gap, on the N.C./Tennessee state line. This section is the longest on the AT without a road crossing, and it also includes the highest point on the AT (Clingman's Dome at 6,600+ feet). The weather forecast is great, but we'll have to keep an eye out for snakes, yellow jackets and bears. But we're very excited (and fortunate) to be doing one of the most memorable sections of the trail. So, if all goes well, I shall see you gents Friday. Have a good one.
SoPac: The Japanese have committed BBs Yamato, Hyuga and Yamashiro, CAs Furutaka and Tone, and the Mini-KB to an operation that appears to consist of landing four additional naval guard units at Pago Pago. Steve probably needs to land two good divisions to handle this operations, assuming it would be worth doing in the first place, which I don't think it is. A squadron of SBD1s scored multiple hits on three troop-carrying xAK, while shore guns scored some hits too. CA Furutaka was set afire.
CenPac: Tarawa, Baker Island and Ocean Island are secure for the Allies. Makin, Abemama and Tabituea need some help. Overall, though, things look good in this region.
DEI: The Japanese airforce sortied in large numbers against Palembang, where I temporarily didn't have fighters (they have been covering important reinforcement convoys at Oosthaven). Flak did a decent job of downing about 20 Sally, Betty and Nell. The Allies had to withdraw a big handful of fighters tomorrow, so I withdrew them today, thus adding some PP, and replaced Percival with a good commander that also has a solid Administration rating. This was after getting a very helpful PM from a player who I think prefers to remain anonymous. He pointed out, among other things, that Percival's anemic Admin rating could affect recovery by disrupted troops and drawing upgrades/reinforcements from the pools.
Damage Control: Re princep01's post, Allied damage control is much different in AE than it was in WitP. In the latter, a damaged Allied ship that survived combat had a very good chance of making it to port. In AE, a moderately to heavily damaged ship has a high chance of not making it to port. I don't know which of the two models is more accurate, so I'm not being critical.
Appalachian Trail: Me and my two boys and a family friend will be leaving early tomorrow a.m. for a 40-mile backpacking trip on the Appalachian Trail from Fontanta Dam, North Carolina, to Newfound Gap, on the N.C./Tennessee state line. This section is the longest on the AT without a road crossing, and it also includes the highest point on the AT (Clingman's Dome at 6,600+ feet). The weather forecast is great, but we'll have to keep an eye out for snakes, yellow jackets and bears. But we're very excited (and fortunate) to be doing one of the most memorable sections of the trail. So, if all goes well, I shall see you gents Friday. Have a good one.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Canoerebel: There is a switch "Realistic Allied Damage" .... what is this switch in your game? It might explain the behavior you are seeing.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Have fun in the mountains. If you lived closer I could loan you my shotgun for those snakes!

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Dan,
I'm about 45 minutes from Roan Mtn, Tenn (the actual mtn, not the town). I'm less than 10 minutes away from where the Appalachian Trail goes around Watauga Dam/Lake. Let me know when you get to my neighborhood. [;)]
I'm about 45 minutes from Roan Mtn, Tenn (the actual mtn, not the town). I'm less than 10 minutes away from where the Appalachian Trail goes around Watauga Dam/Lake. Let me know when you get to my neighborhood. [;)]
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Some of the old BBs come on with really poor crew quality. New Mexico could have been done in by her crew....
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
CR,
Enjoy the Appalachian Trial!
Holy overcommitment of imperial forces to Pago Pago, Batman!
I could have sworn my last post included something on Admin rating being a bit important for fatigue and disruption recovery. [;)]
Regarding pulling aircraft squadrons early to get PPs, does anyone know for sure whether the planes and pilots go back to the pools in that case? I've always checked "no" on getting the PPs after which I get the "planes and pilots back to the pool" message.
Cheers,
CC
Enjoy the Appalachian Trial!
Holy overcommitment of imperial forces to Pago Pago, Batman!
I could have sworn my last post included something on Admin rating being a bit important for fatigue and disruption recovery. [;)]
Regarding pulling aircraft squadrons early to get PPs, does anyone know for sure whether the planes and pilots go back to the pools in that case? I've always checked "no" on getting the PPs after which I get the "planes and pilots back to the pool" message.
Cheers,
CC
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.
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Thanks, AdmSpruance. Good to know.
Cheers,
CC
Cheers,
CC
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
I thought if you took the PPs you didn't get the planes in the pool? I'm wrong?ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance
I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: erstad
I thought if you took the PPs you didn't get the planes in the pool? I'm wrong?ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance
I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.
That's what I think, too.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Atleast in the latest official patch you get both.ORIGINAL: erstad
I thought if you took the PPs you didn't get the planes in the pool? I'm wrong?ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance
I just withdrew all the ABDA P-40E and A-24 squadrons( I think there are 5 P-40E and 4 A-24 squadrons) about 10 days early in my game that is currently in March 1942. Not only did I get over 200 PPs for the early withdrawals but I had over 80 P-40Es and 50 A-24s in the plane pools on the next turn.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
We returned from our Appalachian Trail trip tonight. I'll get back to the game tomorrow, but first one story from the Trail.
Yesterday afternoon, we arrived at a high and remote mountain shelter called Double Springs Gap. As we were sitting around the campsite talking, two backpackers stopped by briefly to chat. They reported that a group of backpackers from Poland were heading for the shelter for the night. This news excited one of my group, because he speaks five languages and is working on Polish.
A little while later, we heard the Polish backpackers coming down the trail toward the shelter, talking excitedly. I turned to my language-gifted companion and said, "Quick, tell me how to say 'Hello!' in Polish."
He replied: "Favyorka!"
When the five young Polish backpackers emerged from the forest and approached the shelter, I walked out to meet them, raised my hand in greeting, and exclaimed, "Favyorka!"
They look dismayed.
I looked back at my companion, who was laughing so hard he had tears in his eyes, and asked, "What did I just say to them?"
He replied: "Squirrel!"
Yesterday afternoon, we arrived at a high and remote mountain shelter called Double Springs Gap. As we were sitting around the campsite talking, two backpackers stopped by briefly to chat. They reported that a group of backpackers from Poland were heading for the shelter for the night. This news excited one of my group, because he speaks five languages and is working on Polish.
A little while later, we heard the Polish backpackers coming down the trail toward the shelter, talking excitedly. I turned to my language-gifted companion and said, "Quick, tell me how to say 'Hello!' in Polish."
He replied: "Favyorka!"
When the five young Polish backpackers emerged from the forest and approached the shelter, I walked out to meet them, raised my hand in greeting, and exclaimed, "Favyorka!"
They look dismayed.
I looked back at my companion, who was laughing so hard he had tears in his eyes, and asked, "What did I just say to them?"
He replied: "Squirrel!"
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
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Just read through this AAR over the past couple of days, very interesting and congrats on what to date has been a serious can of whoop hienie on chez
Something to keep in mind, havent heard it mentioned, he should have Junyo and Hiyo by now, he almost certainly accellerated them after losing his CVLs. Gives him a little more flexibility CentPac and SoPac
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Just read through this AAR over the past couple of days, very interesting and congrats on what to date has been a serious can of whoop hienie on chez
Something to keep in mind, havent heard it mentioned, he should have Junyo and Hiyo by now, he almost certainly accellerated them after losing his CVLs. Gives him a little more flexibility CentPac and SoPac
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6/30/42
DEI: More Japanese bombers and fighters hit Palembang, where two squadrons of the AVG plus anti-aircraft fire score plenty of kills. No sign of imminent Japanese moves on Sumatra. The Allies have a Marine division divided between Bombay and Capetown. I will consolidate the regiments and have selected a prep target.
SoPac: Hiyo and Junyo confirmed near Pago Pago (their Zeros downed most of the SBD squadron based at PP) along with the three BBs and three CAs. Steve might have landed two more Naval Guard units - not enough to make a difference.
Tarawa and Vicinity: The Allies are nearly finished unloading operations in this region.
DEI: More Japanese bombers and fighters hit Palembang, where two squadrons of the AVG plus anti-aircraft fire score plenty of kills. No sign of imminent Japanese moves on Sumatra. The Allies have a Marine division divided between Bombay and Capetown. I will consolidate the regiments and have selected a prep target.
SoPac: Hiyo and Junyo confirmed near Pago Pago (their Zeros downed most of the SBD squadron based at PP) along with the three BBs and three CAs. Steve might have landed two more Naval Guard units - not enough to make a difference.
Tarawa and Vicinity: The Allies are nearly finished unloading operations in this region.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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7/1/42 and 7/2/42
DEI: The Japanese have finally finished off Java (Merak fell on the 2nd). Steve also halted the Palembang bombings after two days. He had nearly shut down the field, but I don't think he liked the amount of damage his aircraft took from two squadrons of the AVG plus flak. The Allies are pulling out of Sibolga (lightly defended, no airfield, and IJA 21st Division just a few days out). Oosthaven forts to 6.50 and building quickly. Reinforcements are landing at Cocos Island - AV now at 121 and will increase to 150+ in a few days (and later to 300 when a Marine regiment arrives from Capetown). Cocos is particularly important now - holding it prevents Japan from truly isolating Sumatra. I went ahead and withdrew the AVG today ([:(]) to gain the political points. Sad to see those puppies go.
Burma: The Allies successfully withdrew from Toungoo and will stand at Mandalay/Magwe.
SoPac: Little Vietnam continues at Pago Pago, where shore guns have roughed up five to ten IJ merchants including an AMC and a a variety of xAKL and xAK. The Hiyo/Junyo group has slid to the north, but I'm not sure yet the Steve has the "nads" to move them into the Allied controlled waters east of Tarawa, where there is alot of shipping.
CenPac: Most unloading is complete at Tabituea, Ocean and Tarawa. By tomorrow, all transports will retire. Most return to Pearl, but a handful go to Baker Island to retrieve one of the two RCT, which will then be used to bolster the garrison at Makin Island.
NoPac: Quiet here, but the Allies are pre-positioning ships for the eventual move to re-supply and reinforce the Kuriles.
DEI: The Japanese have finally finished off Java (Merak fell on the 2nd). Steve also halted the Palembang bombings after two days. He had nearly shut down the field, but I don't think he liked the amount of damage his aircraft took from two squadrons of the AVG plus flak. The Allies are pulling out of Sibolga (lightly defended, no airfield, and IJA 21st Division just a few days out). Oosthaven forts to 6.50 and building quickly. Reinforcements are landing at Cocos Island - AV now at 121 and will increase to 150+ in a few days (and later to 300 when a Marine regiment arrives from Capetown). Cocos is particularly important now - holding it prevents Japan from truly isolating Sumatra. I went ahead and withdrew the AVG today ([:(]) to gain the political points. Sad to see those puppies go.
Burma: The Allies successfully withdrew from Toungoo and will stand at Mandalay/Magwe.
SoPac: Little Vietnam continues at Pago Pago, where shore guns have roughed up five to ten IJ merchants including an AMC and a a variety of xAKL and xAK. The Hiyo/Junyo group has slid to the north, but I'm not sure yet the Steve has the "nads" to move them into the Allied controlled waters east of Tarawa, where there is alot of shipping.
CenPac: Most unloading is complete at Tabituea, Ocean and Tarawa. By tomorrow, all transports will retire. Most return to Pearl, but a handful go to Baker Island to retrieve one of the two RCT, which will then be used to bolster the garrison at Makin Island.
NoPac: Quiet here, but the Allies are pre-positioning ships for the eventual move to re-supply and reinforce the Kuriles.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
I cannot understand his obsession with Pago Pago. Surely he has to cut his losses by pulling out fragments of the units there to rebuild and leave the masses to their fate.
Even if he did eventually capture it, what is it its value to the IJN now? None.
Even if he did eventually capture it, what is it its value to the IJN now? None.
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7/3/42
Paul, I can only guess that Steve thinks he can accomplish something worthwhile in SoPac while awaiting the right time to move against Sumatra.
SoPac and CenPac: There are enemy TFs all over the place - the Hiyo/Junyo group NW of Pago Pago, a TF at Allied occupied Makin (just north of the Warspite TF at Tarawa), approaching Nauru Island, and elsewhere in the Gilberts. Also, Allied patrols report a sizeable combat TF on a northeast heading SE of Davao. It's as though Steve is moving a great deal of weight to the Gilberts region, which doesn't make sense. I have Wasp and Long Island well to the east of Tarawa. Warspite is in harm's way, but I need her there a few more turns to cover the arrival of Forward AirCenPac HQ unit. A CL/DD TF will sortie from Tarawa to see what's up at Makin.
DEI: Quiet, though lots of reinforcements are on the way to theater. IJA 21st Div. arrived at Sibolga today, but the Allied troops are all 44 or 45 miles into the move out of the hex.
Oosthaven forts are growing at .04 per day, meaning it will reach level seven in just 12 days. No further bombings at Palembang.
Paul, I can only guess that Steve thinks he can accomplish something worthwhile in SoPac while awaiting the right time to move against Sumatra.
SoPac and CenPac: There are enemy TFs all over the place - the Hiyo/Junyo group NW of Pago Pago, a TF at Allied occupied Makin (just north of the Warspite TF at Tarawa), approaching Nauru Island, and elsewhere in the Gilberts. Also, Allied patrols report a sizeable combat TF on a northeast heading SE of Davao. It's as though Steve is moving a great deal of weight to the Gilberts region, which doesn't make sense. I have Wasp and Long Island well to the east of Tarawa. Warspite is in harm's way, but I need her there a few more turns to cover the arrival of Forward AirCenPac HQ unit. A CL/DD TF will sortie from Tarawa to see what's up at Makin.
DEI: Quiet, though lots of reinforcements are on the way to theater. IJA 21st Div. arrived at Sibolga today, but the Allied troops are all 44 or 45 miles into the move out of the hex.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.








