7/11/42
paullus99: I frankly don't know. I've really begun to wonder over the past weeks with the deployment of so much "weight" to the Pacific.
SoPac: The Japanese are invading Savaii Island with BBs Hyuga, Yamashiro, and Yamato, CAs Tone and Chickuma, and CVE Hosho confirmed present. This was the information I was looking for - it tells me that Steve hasn't stripped the Pacific to deal with the DEI (at least not yet). Warspite and North Carolina, plus two CAs, should make it to the DEI before any of these ships do, as they should be tied up for a few more days. Pago Pago B-17s took a shot at Hosho, but missed.
DEI: A Marine regiment arrives at Cocos Island tomorrow, which will bring the AV to 300. The Allies paid 260 political points to purchase an Indian armored brigade at Cochin. This unit will report to Benkolen (or possibly Padang). No sign of imminent enemy moves on Sumatra.
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"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Interesting thread on SCTV. However, I almost never use BBs in SCTV unless for some reason I am looking for a daylight battle. They are just too vulnerable and really not very reliable in a night action. I strictly use CAs and CLs mixed with DDS. I rarely use a TF over ten ships typically averageing about eight ships. I look to get multilple TFs into a fight rather than one big. Old BBs are for fire support and fast BBs are there to protect carriers.
In the dark days of 42 I used old BBs out of necessity but two long lance torpedoes into an old BB will put it in the yard for more than half a year. Why risk them. Many times depending on conditions they never shoot or ever land a shot, and they just seem to eat torpedoes.
For some reason my old American CLs use in DD TFs as DD leaders have been amazingly deadly. I don't know why-perhaps just luck.
I see no real benefit to using old BBs in night surface actions. They are more of a liabiltiy than a benefit.
In the dark days of 42 I used old BBs out of necessity but two long lance torpedoes into an old BB will put it in the yard for more than half a year. Why risk them. Many times depending on conditions they never shoot or ever land a shot, and they just seem to eat torpedoes.
For some reason my old American CLs use in DD TFs as DD leaders have been amazingly deadly. I don't know why-perhaps just luck.
I see no real benefit to using old BBs in night surface actions. They are more of a liabiltiy than a benefit.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
I finally caught up with the entire AAR. I started reading after the game with Q-Ball officially came to an end and I was looking for another way to enjoy my morning coffee. It's been a great read, very much appreciated. (yeah, taken me a long time to catch up!
A several occasions you have talked about having units shipped to Capetown that you are thinking of spending PPs to free up. In particular the 27th Div. That is a west coast restricted unit, so I understand having to pay PP to use it, but how are you even getting it on transports as far as capetown before buying them out?
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7/12/42
Lomri: You can transfer units from East Coast, Balboa, etc. to Capetown without the use of ships. You just click on the "transfer" button on the upper right side of the unit and send it to Capetown. This saves time and precious ship space. Since they reach Capetown without the need for loading, you don't have to use PP to buy them. To move them forward from Capetown, of course, you'll have to pay the PP and load them aboard ships the old fashioned way.
CenPac: Quiet here. The IJN carrier force, which is quite large (but I'm not sure yet that it's the full KB) is back near Majuro.
SoPac: Steve withdrew Hosho from Savaii vicinity, so there was no LRCAP. As a result, the SBD-1 and SBD-2 squadrons at Pago Pago tore into the transports, sinking or badly damaging four xAK and two or three xAKL. The Japanese landed enough to take the weakly defended island. The airfield is level one, so the Allies plan to use 4EB to suppress base building. The Mini-KB and combat capital ships have pulled back towards Fiji. North Carolina and Warspite TFs have refueled at Tahiti and will move out for the DEI via New Zealand and southern Oz.
DEI: Transports carrying a Marine regiment have arrived at Cocos Islands. Lots of supply ships unloading at Oosthaven.
Lomri: You can transfer units from East Coast, Balboa, etc. to Capetown without the use of ships. You just click on the "transfer" button on the upper right side of the unit and send it to Capetown. This saves time and precious ship space. Since they reach Capetown without the need for loading, you don't have to use PP to buy them. To move them forward from Capetown, of course, you'll have to pay the PP and load them aboard ships the old fashioned way.
CenPac: Quiet here. The IJN carrier force, which is quite large (but I'm not sure yet that it's the full KB) is back near Majuro.
SoPac: Steve withdrew Hosho from Savaii vicinity, so there was no LRCAP. As a result, the SBD-1 and SBD-2 squadrons at Pago Pago tore into the transports, sinking or badly damaging four xAK and two or three xAKL. The Japanese landed enough to take the weakly defended island. The airfield is level one, so the Allies plan to use 4EB to suppress base building. The Mini-KB and combat capital ships have pulled back towards Fiji. North Carolina and Warspite TFs have refueled at Tahiti and will move out for the DEI via New Zealand and southern Oz.
DEI: Transports carrying a Marine regiment have arrived at Cocos Islands. Lots of supply ships unloading at Oosthaven.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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P.S. Lomri. I learned about that feature just like you did - from another player. I was well into my game with Q-Ball, shipping units from America to Capetown aboard trasnports, when some helpful somebody posted the shortcut feature in my AAR. So, I can't take any credit for knowing about this. Hang around long enough, and you pick up all kinds of good pointers!
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Thanks CR. I actually had been shipping b-17s to capetown that way, but didn't try LCUs. What is more lame of me is I feel like their was a similar feature allowing moving LCUs to Karachi in WitP, so why didn't I investigate it in AE! Well, glad I'm in good company not finding it until late in the day
(Although, to my discredit, I read your entire AAR vs q-ball and didn't pick up on the tip).
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7/13/42 and 7/14/42
NoPac: No activity up here beyond the daily Japanese bombing raids on Onnekotan and Paramushiro. Both bases have essentially been out of supply for more than two months, though sub transports and patrol transports are getting enough supply to Para to keep the AA guns and one patrol squadron running. CV Wasp is well to NE of Pearl Harbor now. A variety of supply ships are on the way to pre-position points. Tomorrow, I may spend the PP to buy a RCT at Seattle. In about two weeks or so, the Allies will be in a position to proceed with the operation to bring in some supply and reinforcements to Paramushiro. CV Wasp will contribute its fighters, though standing far enough away to (hopefully) be out of danger. I had planned to use the three P-38 squadrons that recently arrived at West Coast, but all are permanently restricted.
CenPac: Still a variety of big Japanese naval vessels reported operating between Kwajalein and Miri. Clearly, the Allied invasions here had the unexpected dividend of drawing a major commitment of Japanese forces that should be employed elsewhere. The Allies have withdrawn most naval assets now. Defense is left to a mixture of fighters and the very strongly held base at Tarawa (430 AV and three forts at this point). I don't think there's any way Japan can retake Tarawa or Baker Island. Ocean will be tough, but not impossible, for Japan to retake (130 AV there).
SoPac: Japan will build up Savaii Island and is reconning another to the south. If successful, there could come a day when the Allied defenders at Pago Pago could be isolated and low on supply. And then, after perhaps six or nine months of fighting, Japan could take and island that really isn't important at all. But it will cost them.
DEI: Quiet here at the moment. Salt Lake City and Chester continue to guard the port of Oosthaven, where several big supply TFs have just finished unloading. Oosthaven forts will go to level seven in four or five days. Cocos Island airfield just went to level three and the Marine regiment finished unloading, bringing the AV to 300. Japan will need at least two divisions and the KB in order to take Cocos at this point. I don't see any way Japan takes Cocos unless and until Sumatra is vanquished. And with Cocos in Allied hands, Japan can't impose a tight blockade.
Burma: Quiet here. Japan hasn't advanced towards Mandalay.
China: Quiet here too. The Allies have just positioned a big group of RAF fighters (plus one squadron of P-38s) at Liuchow and Kweilin, hoping to savage the large and unescorted raids that have been using these two bases as training runs for weeks now.
NoPac: No activity up here beyond the daily Japanese bombing raids on Onnekotan and Paramushiro. Both bases have essentially been out of supply for more than two months, though sub transports and patrol transports are getting enough supply to Para to keep the AA guns and one patrol squadron running. CV Wasp is well to NE of Pearl Harbor now. A variety of supply ships are on the way to pre-position points. Tomorrow, I may spend the PP to buy a RCT at Seattle. In about two weeks or so, the Allies will be in a position to proceed with the operation to bring in some supply and reinforcements to Paramushiro. CV Wasp will contribute its fighters, though standing far enough away to (hopefully) be out of danger. I had planned to use the three P-38 squadrons that recently arrived at West Coast, but all are permanently restricted.
CenPac: Still a variety of big Japanese naval vessels reported operating between Kwajalein and Miri. Clearly, the Allied invasions here had the unexpected dividend of drawing a major commitment of Japanese forces that should be employed elsewhere. The Allies have withdrawn most naval assets now. Defense is left to a mixture of fighters and the very strongly held base at Tarawa (430 AV and three forts at this point). I don't think there's any way Japan can retake Tarawa or Baker Island. Ocean will be tough, but not impossible, for Japan to retake (130 AV there).
SoPac: Japan will build up Savaii Island and is reconning another to the south. If successful, there could come a day when the Allied defenders at Pago Pago could be isolated and low on supply. And then, after perhaps six or nine months of fighting, Japan could take and island that really isn't important at all. But it will cost them.
DEI: Quiet here at the moment. Salt Lake City and Chester continue to guard the port of Oosthaven, where several big supply TFs have just finished unloading. Oosthaven forts will go to level seven in four or five days. Cocos Island airfield just went to level three and the Marine regiment finished unloading, bringing the AV to 300. Japan will need at least two divisions and the KB in order to take Cocos at this point. I don't see any way Japan takes Cocos unless and until Sumatra is vanquished. And with Cocos in Allied hands, Japan can't impose a tight blockade.
Burma: Quiet here. Japan hasn't advanced towards Mandalay.
China: Quiet here too. The Allies have just positioned a big group of RAF fighters (plus one squadron of P-38s) at Liuchow and Kweilin, hoping to savage the large and unescorted raids that have been using these two bases as training runs for weeks now.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
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What the heck is he doing, continuing to reinforce or expand in SoPAC right now? His SLOCs are a lot longer than your's & he should know that he's going to be on the wrong side of the reinforcement curve (if he isn't already) very soon. He doesn't have any major ports nearby & should you spring another ambush on him, his ships will have quite a ways to go for repairs.
At least a move against your recent acquisitions in CentPac make a little more sense - but if he's committing major carrier assets there (and with his current OOB, compared to losses, it has to be perhaps a CarDiv from the KB) again, he's concentrating on a side-show while letting you get away with more preparations for the main course.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Perhaps there should be an AV for the Allies.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
The day is approaching when Sumatra converts from defensive bastion to fully secured offensive dagger in Japan's MLR. What are your plans for offensive action in the DEI, if any?
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Cribtop, you're right. If that day comes - the day when the Allied position in Sumatra converts from defensive to offensive - the war is over.
It's too early to know exactly what the situation will be if and when that happens. Will Japan have a strong cordon of airfields heavily garrisoned? Or will their be holes in the defenses? That will dictate how the Allies might evaluate offensive moves.
Certainly, the Allies will build up airfields and employ 4EB against the major IJ bases at Singapore, Batavia, Semereng, Soerabaja, Balikpan, Kuching, etc. That is not a good thing for Japan.
When the war started, I hypothesized that Japan had roughly nine months (January through September '42) to run amock. That is, Japan basically could go where it wanted when it wanted. After that, the Allies begin to have enough assets to contest Japan in carefully selected areas and circumstances. I think the Allies begin to transition from a defensive position in Sumatra to a stasis situation in September and perhaps October, and from there to offensive possibilities.
It's too early to know exactly what the situation will be if and when that happens. Will Japan have a strong cordon of airfields heavily garrisoned? Or will their be holes in the defenses? That will dictate how the Allies might evaluate offensive moves.
Certainly, the Allies will build up airfields and employ 4EB against the major IJ bases at Singapore, Batavia, Semereng, Soerabaja, Balikpan, Kuching, etc. That is not a good thing for Japan.
When the war started, I hypothesized that Japan had roughly nine months (January through September '42) to run amock. That is, Japan basically could go where it wanted when it wanted. After that, the Allies begin to have enough assets to contest Japan in carefully selected areas and circumstances. I think the Allies begin to transition from a defensive position in Sumatra to a stasis situation in September and perhaps October, and from there to offensive possibilities.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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2 cents from the peanut gallery: You have a very easy to follow AAR, it appears you have played a proactive game and Chez has been in a corner for some time. He said so as much in the thread relating to f-ups, (your thread I believe). I have never visited his AAR; would it be wrong to drop in on his, leave here and try and promote calculated aggression or SOMETHING? I've been in the shadows here for a long time, learning and appreciating all the well articulated commentary trying get some absorbtion (pardon the spelling) into my thick Yankee skull and I would hate to see this just evolve into you pounding him to dust and invade, pound to dust, invade etc. Not to provide technical advice, I have none worthy, nor disposition info, nor right or wrong areas etc for said aggression, just support for what ever hes doing? Probably something like Nemo mentioned many pages ago, step back and get a handle re-prioritize, and get get back in the fight. (in laymans terms [:D])? or would this be taboo?
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Forget it. I will not. I just want a BIG BATTLE!! If I had any patience I would have been a doctor.
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Forget it. I will not. I just want a BIG BATTLE!! If I had any patience I would have been a doctor.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Without a doubt, a big battle or a series of battles will occur sooner or later.
Steve is in the driver's seat in the DEI for now. That battle will happen whenever he elects. Eventually, the Allies will be able to swing over to the offensive in this region, but that probably won't happen until late '42. However, the Allies are currently gathering a force for a counterinvasion somewhere in the DEI timed to coincide with any IJ move on Sumatra. Possible targets: Sibolga, Sabang, Georgetown, Victoria Point.
The Allied move to reinforce and resupply the bases in the Kuriles could/should prompt some fireworks up there.
At present, I don't see any pending major Allied moves in the Pacific unless Steve pulls his carriers out. If that happens, the Allies might invade Miri or move SW to occupy and build up the Santa Cruz Islands (in fact, the latter is pretty high on my list of objectives; doing that will really throw a kink into Steve's long (Long!) LOC to Fiji and Savaii Island.
Steve is in the driver's seat in the DEI for now. That battle will happen whenever he elects. Eventually, the Allies will be able to swing over to the offensive in this region, but that probably won't happen until late '42. However, the Allies are currently gathering a force for a counterinvasion somewhere in the DEI timed to coincide with any IJ move on Sumatra. Possible targets: Sibolga, Sabang, Georgetown, Victoria Point.
The Allied move to reinforce and resupply the bases in the Kuriles could/should prompt some fireworks up there.
At present, I don't see any pending major Allied moves in the Pacific unless Steve pulls his carriers out. If that happens, the Allies might invade Miri or move SW to occupy and build up the Santa Cruz Islands (in fact, the latter is pretty high on my list of objectives; doing that will really throw a kink into Steve's long (Long!) LOC to Fiji and Savaii Island.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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I will remain faithfully attached here. I guess several early whoopins took some teeth out of the tiger. You have provided such a clear picture of the battlefield; I have found following here quite entertaining.
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Canoe, FWIW, I think you have the timing of offensive action in the DEI about right - late year is the correct season.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Hi CR,
Sorry for the hijack. You mentioned in Greyjoy's AAR that is was possible to transfer restricted American LCU's to Capetown via Balboa or Eastern USA. I've been trying to do it, but can't find the transfer button you had mentioned. I'm looking at the unit screen and can't find anything relating to "transfer", am I looking in the wrong screen, or just not seeing it? Do I need to put the unit in strat mode? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Sorry for the hijack. You mentioned in Greyjoy's AAR that is was possible to transfer restricted American LCU's to Capetown via Balboa or Eastern USA. I've been trying to do it, but can't find the transfer button you had mentioned. I'm looking at the unit screen and can't find anything relating to "transfer", am I looking in the wrong screen, or just not seeing it? Do I need to put the unit in strat mode? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
The unit doesn't have to be in strategic mode. Click on the unit. Then click the "Set Transfer To" button at the top right side of the unit box. When the menu of destinations comes up, you can choose from various off map bases.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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Crib,
I think about two months ago would have been the correct time. As it is he could transition right now and be successful but he's being cautious ( IMO too cautious --- bur he's still learning to judge the proper time to transition so this must be viewed as part of a learning process ). It doesn't matter though, this thing was decided way back in February, now we're just seeing the inevitable being worked out.
Aggression now though could accelerate the IJN losses and continue drawing them into the DEI region - as opposed to giving them the leeway to continue surviving in out of the way regions.
I think about two months ago would have been the correct time. As it is he could transition right now and be successful but he's being cautious ( IMO too cautious --- bur he's still learning to judge the proper time to transition so this must be viewed as part of a learning process ). It doesn't matter though, this thing was decided way back in February, now we're just seeing the inevitable being worked out.
Aggression now though could accelerate the IJN losses and continue drawing them into the DEI region - as opposed to giving them the leeway to continue surviving in out of the way regions.
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The unit doesn't have to be in strategic mode. Click on the unit. Then click the "Set Transfer To" button at the top right side of the unit box. When the menu of destinations comes up, you can choose from various off map bases.
It does look like the unit has to be on the East Coast first. At least in the Vanilla not beta patched version. I just tested it .. just did a set destination to: cape town .. and it did it ..but from SF said invaild location ..
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