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RE: REEK, rhymes with weak

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In reading AAR's and in my game this seems to be the last report of ideas for the JFB's .. go raid someting .. I am not sure that leads to surviving until 1946 . but it makes a big splash ...


Well, a well addressed raid can really ruin your day...imagine a couple of divisions moving from SF to PH....100 transport Ships...all sunk....

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Which is exactly why I do not use large transport TFs.. I try to disperse my troop movements as much as possible. I don't think I have ever used a convoy larger than 20 ships.
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True, I wouldn't dream of moving even a single division in a single convoy if not necessary for an invasion or if I knew the whereabouts of the Japanese carriers.
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Jun 28, 29 1943

Things, as always, didn't go as planned.

Only one of my 2 bombardment TF bombed effectively...Thousands Ships Bay...but without much result...despite i was very carefull in setting the recon planes...
My 4Es did bomb auki only for the second day, cause on the 28th there was a severe storm over the target...

Anyway...his main ships remains at Rabaul...and the 17k japs at Tulagi remain stuck

His raiding CVs retired from the Aleutinas....with not a single ship sunk[:)]

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Night Naval bombardment of Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 61 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 12 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 14 damaged
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed on ground

67 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Massachusetts
BB South Dakota
CA San Francisco
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 1
CL Denver, Shell hits 4
CL Columbia

Japanese ground losses:
183 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 10 disabled



Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19
Port hits 12
Port supply hits 2

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jun 29, 43

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Afternoon Air attack on Auki , at 115,136

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 9
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 21
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42



Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 94


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 19 damaged
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 1 destroyed
B-24D1 Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled



Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 58
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June 30, July 1 1943

The struggle continues.
We bombed again Russell Is., Thousands and Auki...this time we caused enough havoc among enemy positions and AF...
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Night Naval bombardment of Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 30 damaged
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 56 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 27 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground

231 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Indiana, Shell hits 1
CA Wichita
CA Quincy, Shell hits 1
CL Santa Fe, Shell hits 1
CL Boise
DD Perkins
DD Conyngham
DD Case
DD Radford
DD Nicholas
DD LaVallette
DD Jenkins
DD DeHaven

Japanese ground losses:
265 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled



Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 91
Port hits 26
Port supply hits 4


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Night Naval bombardment of Russell Islands at 113,136 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 69 damaged
N1K1-J George: 24 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 21 damaged
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 6 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed on ground
E13A1 Jake: 41 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 11 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 47 damaged
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 23 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 100 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 23 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 50 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 13 destroyed on ground

41 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Washington
BB North Carolina
CA Astoria
CA Houston, Shell hits 2
CA Portland
CL Cleveland

Japanese ground losses:
757 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 32 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 30 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)



Airbase hits 30
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 77
Port hits 19
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 9

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Morning Air attack on Auki , at 115,136

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 9
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 34
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 34



Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 6
B-24D1 Liberator x 119


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 1 destroyed
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled



Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 98



And July has finally begun. We have 2 brand new CVs (Essex and Yorktown) 2 CVLs and 3 CVEs...our fleet is becoming stronger every day!

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I think I would follow up your bombardment attacks with your B-24s hitting the same base to see if you can destroy his damaged planes on the ground. Since he cannot extract them from those bases without using transports, try to finish them off there.
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Looks like your doing pretty good to me Greyjoy.  Pound that bush,  I mean jungle with everything you got.[8|]
 
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I think I would follow up your bombardment attacks with your B-24s hitting the same base to see if you can destroy his damaged planes on the ground. Since he cannot extract them from those bases without using transports, try to finish them off there.

Yes, i'll try that asap!

For the moment i like the idea of having destroyed 200 of his planes on the ground...

Enemy BBs at Shortland....watch out for battle

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Looks like your doing pretty good to me Greyjoy.  Pound that bush,  I mean jungle with everything you got.[8|]

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Don't understimate Rader guys...he switched now on the defensive and he knows how to do it...see his other game and you'll see...we must be extracarefull...i'm coming up with some good ideas....
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I am amazed how he throws away aircraft. I only wish my opponent would stack his aircraft like that for me to nail...[:-]
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I am amazed how he throws away aircraft. I only wish my opponent would stack his aircraft like that for me to nail...[:-]


A bloody day in the air in the Solomons...

July 2, 3 1943

The KB comes down again, escorting his CAs at stops near Shortland. At the same time Rader orders a mass attack against my BBs. I've moved them back to Karaikira with a 160 fighter CAP.
For two days a furious battle raged over Karaikira and Lunga skies and it turned to be another Turkey shot.
After the sunset of the second day 235 enemy planes were counted shot down and 35 allied planes didn't come back. 3 pilots are reported KIA and 15 WIA. We have lots of brand new aces among our lines[;)]
He layed mines all over Tulagi with his subs but my AMs are working every day so we managed to detect the minefields and to start cleaning the path.

Now we have to decide what to do. We can push forward and move back our BBs to Tulagi in order to defend against a possible arrival of his CA/BBs (but the presence of the KB so close-by is clearly a problem), or we can wait and set up another good CAP-trap and wait one more turn, so to let him dance to my rithm and not the opposite...



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Sub attack near Attu Island at 146,61

Japanese Ships
AV Kano Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage[8D]
E Matsuwa

Allied Ships
SS S-35



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Submarine attack near Attu Island at 146,62

Japanese Ships
AV Kano Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

Allied Ships
SS Rasher


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kirakira at 116,140

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 21
A6M3a Zero x 69
D3A1 Val x 12
N1K1-J George x 37



Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 11
Hurricane XIIb x 5
P-38G Lightning x 10
P-39D Airacobra x 10
P-40K Warhawk x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 11 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
D3A1 Val: 3 destroyed by flak
N1K1-J George: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed
Hurricane XIIb: 1 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CA San Francisco
BB South Dakota

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kirakira at 116,140

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 21
G4M1 Betty x 9
N1K1-J George x 9



Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 8
Hurricane XIIb x 4
P-38G Lightning x 7
P-39D Airacobra x 7
P-40K Warhawk x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 8 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
BB Massachusetts



Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 114,138

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 43 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 32
A6M5 Zero x 8
D3A1 Val x 23
N1K1-J George x 9



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 6
Kittyhawk III x 7
Spitfire Vc Trop x 12
Hurricane XIIb x 1
P-38G Lightning x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 2
F4U-1 Corsair x 20
F6F-3 Hellcat x 39


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 13 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 9 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 114,138

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 113 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 36



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 5
Kittyhawk III x 6
Spitfire Vc Trop x 9
Hurricane XIIb x 1
P-38G Lightning x 2
P-39D Airacobra x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 2
F4U-1 Corsair x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 29


Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 17 destroyed

No Allied losses



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Kirakira at 116,140

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 91 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 3
A6M3a Zero x 25
G4M1 Betty x 9
N1K1-J George x 4



Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 11
Hurricane XIIb x 5
P-38G Lightning x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 9
P-40K Warhawk x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 4 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
BB Massachusetts
CL Raleigh



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kirakira at 116,140

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 29
A6M3a Zero x 47
G4M1 Betty x 13
N1K1-J George x 33
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 67
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 52
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 77
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 53



Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 10
Hurricane XIIb x 5
P-38G Lightning x 6
P-39D Airacobra x 8
P-40K Warhawk x 14
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 2 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed by flak
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 2 destroyed
Hurricane XIIb: 2 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota




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To me now it's clear that Rader is trying to put out of order my surface fleet. The fact that he dared to give his bombers a longer range so to try to hit my BBs is an evidence for this phylosophy.
LBA+KB may mean my CAP won't be enough. In fact, even if i'm clearly happy about the outcome of today battles, i have to say that i was hoping for a more efficient scrambling system. Most of my planes didn't take off even if the AFs were not overstacked and air HQs were present in every single of my bases. I do want a massive cover for my BBs, not a mild one!
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Another Essex Class CV arrived today. 3 CVs, 2 CVLs and 3 CVEs....[8D]
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good news in the airwar, GJ. and a nice bit of work from the sub-mariners up in cold-comfort land, clocking that AV.

given Rader's 3 airbases directly north of TLT, his pilot losses might not be all that you could wish, but they're certainly much greater than yours. gotta like how those unescorted Vals brickwalled into your CAP.

bombers at extended range deliver lighter ordnance, w/ worse penetration against BB armor. Tstorm weather helped protect your TFs this turn.

are you layering your CAP over a range of altitudes?


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good news in the airwar, GJ. and a nice bit of work from the sub-mariners up in cold-comfort land, clocking that AV.

given Rader's 3 airbases directly north of TLT, his pilot losses might not be all that you could wish, but they're certainly much greater than yours. gotta like how those unescorted Vals brickwalled into your CAP.

bombers at extended range deliver lighter ordnance, w/ worse penetration against BB armor. Tstorm weather helped protect your TFs this turn.

are you layering your CAP over a range of altitudes?




Hi jmalter,

yes, i usually keep my CAP like that:

Hellcats between 26k and 36k (usually 3 different squadrons at 26, 31 and 36k)
Corsairs between 21k and 31k
P-40Ks and Kittihawks between 18 and 25k (usually P-40Ks at 20k and Kitti at 25k)
P-39s and Hurricanes between 9k and 15k (usually P-39s at 9k and Hurri at 15k).
P-38s always at 31k

I haven't made up my mind yet. The presence of the KB could really mean a big risk for my BBs....as you have just seen, despite the good results, some of his bombers got through...if he sends the 200 Kates and 150 Vals of the KB escorted by hordes of his LBA+KB fighters i think not even the 400 fighters i have at TLT will be enough....
Sending my Subs in an arc 8 hexes far from Tulagi...from where the KB could strike...will probably go for a "mid-solution".... a strong CAP over Tulagi (with 200 fighters based at Tulagi and 300 more based at Lunga and Tassa LRcapping Tulagi) and a single "agile" BB TF, supported by a "light" cruiser TF (CL Leander - with torps- + 6 Fletcher DDs), both moving to Tulagi, while the rest of my surface fleet will remain at Ndeni under a HUGE cap and ready to get in if he really dares to try to get back to Tulagi...

mmm... but i'm not sure!...God...the risk is really high here...

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Ok, orders given.
We'll move a TF composed by 2 BBs (Indiana and Massachusset), 1 CA (Wichita), 2 CLs (Cleveland Class) and 10 DDs (Fletchers and Bristol class) to Lunga passing by Tulagi, while another TF composed by CL Leander and CL Montpellier and 6 DDs (Mahans Class) will move at flank speed to Tulagi arriving by night.
550 fighters will provide air cover over TLT.
His BBs should still be at Rabaul while, as far as i can tellm, his CAs are moving with the KB, so if something arrives at Tulagi today, will be the CAs...
CAP has been shaped very carefully, covering every possible height. Fatigue is everywhere below 15 and experience and morale are both very high.
If he comes with the KB he will find a stiff opposition.
Subs have been moved.

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Can't wait to see what happens... A major naval battle? A major Air2Air - Air2Naval battle? Will he engage and risk? will he be conservative?
 
Anyway now, as soon as i will manage to unite 'em togheder, i'll have 9 fleet Carriers, 2 CVLs and 6 CVEs...enough i think to start to take some more risks with my fleet.
My CV pilots, after these long months of hard battles fought in the Solomons, have gained an incredible amount of experience (even if they are still somehow less "crack" than their Marine or USAFF counterparts) and i'm pretty confident i can start to use my CVs more aggresively (but always in coordination/combination with the LBAs).
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Ok, doing some math.
In case (yes, it's still "dubitative") i wanna attack Russell Island, considering there are 25,000 men there with 190 guns, knowing for sure that at least a combat regimental unit is there, how many combat units will i need? Let's say there are 1000 AVs behind 5 forts (which is pretty realistic). Let's also say that those units are not first line crack units (there should not be any division there).
Considering i'll have the complete dominion of the air-sea element
Will 4 Divisions with 4 Tank BN, 6 Artillery units, 3 Cbt Eng Regiments, 1 Corp HQ and 1 Command HQ (everyone fully prepped) be enough?...i can stand a long siege if needed...but i don't wanna committ the same mistake that Rader did at Tulagi...
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