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String: An easier, although less informative, way is to see how many MIAs, WIAs and KIAs you have for the turn on the Top Pilots page at the bottom.

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Yes, but then you will never know if you have lost 10 useless (with all due respect) c-47 pilots that are involved into the air bridge over Lunga or if you have lost 10 fighter aces or 10 crack torpedo pilots... better to check
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There is a KIA/WIA/MIA total for the turn in the top pilots screen. Bottom left if I recall correctly.
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253 airframes and 310 engines for him to replace over two turns (not counting those that might be so damaged that they are written off), he cannot be happy about that [X(]
Well done GreyJoy!


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253 airframes and 310 engines for him to replace over two turns (not counting those that might be so damaged that they are written off), he cannot be happy about that [X(]
Well done GreyJoy!


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Thx mate [:)]

welcome back![:D]
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253 airframes and 310 engines for him to replace over two turns (not counting those that might be so damaged that they are written off), he cannot be happy about that [X(]
Well done GreyJoy!


Terje


Thx mate [:)]

welcome back![:D]

Never left, but I know to stfu when there are wiser ppl talking [;)]

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You know, CAP trapping at Ndeni and elsewhere isn't a bad idea, but I'd probably pull the old Mississippi out of the equation and leave him sniping at agile old DDs.

Asked to comment on the air battle, so I will. I think with Greyjoy getting 10-1 kill ratios against KB without using his Allied aces tells you a lot about Rader's pilot quality. You would think that whatever Rader has left in terms of quality would be on KB, and thus that GJ's B team just splattered Rader's A team, surely a good sign.

However, it is possible that Rader has gone so all in on air frames, and thus has such a surplus in planes, that he chose to offload his good pilots, put rookies on the CVs, and send them on this dangerous mission. I wouldn't really rate this as likely, but it is possible.

Bottom line - I think it's safe to say that the Allies have had enough Karachi, Ndeni, and Tulagi Turkey Shoots that Rader must be hurting. If his back isn't broken yet, it will be soon.

That is my newbie thought and why I asked for the comments. More so GreyJoy has been fighting this very tough campaign, but rather than a gradual lessening of resistance -- I am seeing signs of sudden collapse. Carrier aircraft unable to defend I have to think is a sure sign of a general depletion of pilot resources. I would think the results of GreyJoy's air campaign moving forward would indicate if this is true. If the air attacks are able to continue this pace without resistance I believe this is confirmed. If this extends into Japan proper, I can see the B-29's in 1944 reducing the IJ industry to rubble.
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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

You know, CAP trapping at Ndeni and elsewhere isn't a bad idea, but I'd probably pull the old Mississippi out of the equation and leave him sniping at agile old DDs.

Asked to comment on the air battle, so I will. I think with Greyjoy getting 10-1 kill ratios against KB without using his Allied aces tells you a lot about Rader's pilot quality. You would think that whatever Rader has left in terms of quality would be on KB, and thus that GJ's B team just splattered Rader's A team, surely a good sign.

However, it is possible that Rader has gone so all in on air frames, and thus has such a surplus in planes, that he chose to offload his good pilots, put rookies on the CVs, and send them on this dangerous mission. I wouldn't really rate this as likely, but it is possible.

Bottom line - I think it's safe to say that the Allies have had enough Karachi, Ndeni, and Tulagi Turkey Shoots that Rader must be hurting. If his back isn't broken yet, it will be soon.

That is my newbie thought and why I asked for the comments. More so GreyJoy has been fighting this very tough campaign, but rather than a gradual lessening of resistance -- I am seeing signs of sudden collapse. Carrier aircraft unable to defend I have to think is a sure sign of a general depletion of pilot resources. I would think the results of GreyJoy's air campaign moving forward would indicate if this is true. If the air attacks are able to continue this pace without resistance I believe this is confirmed. If this extends into Japan proper, I can see the B-29's in 1944 reducing the IJ industry to rubble.

It may be true. We'll see how good his pilots are when we'll start to sweep on regular basis his AFs.
However to use B29s against Japan industry you first have to get in range...which is not going to happen in this case untill 1945
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Keep up the good work GreyJoy, fun to watch this evolve over time and your playing style. Enjoying!
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Thanks Jeffk! My pleasure to have you here reading this story
 
 
However, forgot to tell you that i've ordered the TF including BB Indiana and Washington (plus CA Wichita and Hawkins) to "sweep" Thousands Ships Bay, followed by the 5 Old CAs TF. Both of these 2 TFs will move by night from Tulagi and should get back to Tulagi on the very same night.
I gave this particular order (so no naval bombardments this turn) cause i feel that Rader could move his BBs right to Thousands in a "sweep" mission, instead of going to Tulagi (where waves of PTs are waiting for him), in order to hope to catch my BBs during a bombardment run and so get the upper hand...
Lee "Ching" is in charge of this Task Force....the best of the best in the allied field...all my in-board float planes have been set to night Naval search at 3 hexes and every ship has the best captain i could spare...
Night CAP is provided by 8 Kingfisher and 9 Aircobras...shoud be enough.
 
 
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July 12, 13 1943

Rader is playing with me....
His BBs remain at Vella Lavella...while his KB is back at Rabaul... It seems that he's luring me into a naval battle "away" from my bases and under the threat of the KB...
I won't eat this bait...
We've now divided our surface forces in 5 different TFs. 2 Cruiser TFs will bomb Thousands, while a strong BB TF will act as a covering force...just in case he will send his BBs to sweep...
Then another CA TF will bomb russell, covered by a mixed TF composed of a BB, 2 CLs and 10 DDs.
Our 4Es (that were grounded this turn) will bomb Auki.
All my TFs will retire to Karaikira after completing their missions.
Subs and PTs will try to interdict the possible enemy BB movement...

I'm sniffing something in the Aleutinas...lots of volume traffic there....and the 25th Jap Division prepping for the base close to Attu Island....(Shamrkawhatever Island)

The first P-40N1 squadron is operative at Karaikira....we'll soon see what these guys are able to do

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In my game against Miller 27 zillion years ago, I wasn't favorably impressed by the P-40N.  I found the P-40K the better performer.  However, I wasn't engaging in pilot training while Miller was, so he was at an advantage.  In your game, rader's air force may be so weak right now that you could throw up Spads and Sopwith Camels and beat him.
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In my game against Miller 27 zillion years ago, I wasn't favorably impressed by the P-40N.  I found the P-40K the better performer.  However, I wasn't engaging in pilot training while Miller was, so he was at an advantage.  In your game, rader's air force may be so weak right now that you could throw up Spads and Sopwith Camels and beat him.

Remember that there are really two P-40Ns - the N1 (4 guns, shorter range, 378mph) and the N5/N26 (6 guns, longer range, more bombs, 350mph). The N1 is also more maneuverable, especially down low - it's basically ideal for a bottom layer to formations, while the N5 is a bit marginal against the better Japanese stuff. Of course, between new squadrons and replacements you only get about 75 N1s, so they're a limited resource...
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In my game against Miller 27 zillion years ago, I wasn't favorably impressed by the P-40N.  I found the P-40K the better performer.  However, I wasn't engaging in pilot training while Miller was, so he was at an advantage.  In your game, rader's air force may be so weak right now that you could throw up Spads and Sopwith Camels and beat him.

The P-40N should be 8 mhp faster than the "K" and with a better mvr below 15k...but considering our HRs it will be mainly a substitute of the P-39D (which operates in our game below 15k).

Anyway, we'll soon see how these new machine will perform. Now we'll have Hellcats and P-47s (for high alt performance - over 31k), P-38s, Corsairs and Kittihawks between 25 and 31k, P-40Ks at 20k along with SpitsVc and P-39s and P-40Ns at low altitudes (between 9k and 15k)
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In my game against Miller 27 zillion years ago, I wasn't favorably impressed by the P-40N.  I found the P-40K the better performer.  However, I wasn't engaging in pilot training while Miller was, so he was at an advantage.  In your game, rader's air force may be so weak right now that you could throw up Spads and Sopwith Camels and beat him.

Remember that there are really two P-40Ns - the N1 (4 guns, shorter range, 378mph) and the N5/N26 (6 guns, longer range, more bombs, 350mph). The N1 is also more maneuverable, especially down low - it's basically ideal for a bottom layer to formations, while the N5 is a bit marginal against the better Japanese stuff. Of course, between new squadrons and replacements you only get about 75 N1s, so they're a limited resource...

Yup, agree.

Only 75 N1s in total? they end the production so early?[:(]

Well, i think i'll have to live with what we have...
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Yup, agree.

Only 75 N1s in total? they end the production so early?[:(]

Well, i think i'll have to live with what we have...

You get replacements at 70/month (for one month) and there are I think two or three Sqns that bring a couple of them each in - by design, I suppose you're meant to fill those up and then that's it.
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Yes, I think the N model was a bit heavier even though it had a more powerful engine than earlier models. The P40 at that stage of the war was becoming more of a ground support aircraft and top speed was not as important as durability. Problem is that in AE-especially in #2 it is still needed as a front line fighter to fend off the flood of Japanese planes. I try to keep it away from Mr. Frank. Otherwise it does well enough vs the other fighters. I am recalling from memory here but I think I read that the N1 model was not very popular as the pilots felt that they stripped too much out of it and it was not as safe, and they preferred the extra pair of MGs over the speed advantage.
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July 14, 15 1943
 
Ok so Rader always surprises me.
I thought the Jap advance was over. Wrong.
I thought he had shifted to the defensive. Wrong.
 
While the japanese "BB bait" remains at Vella LaVella and the KB (or what i think is/was the KB) has moved to Kavieng, my bombardment TFs mauled Russsell and Thousands and my 4Es carpet bomb Auki.... while all this happens in the Solomons...
 
....a Japanaese invasion force supported by CVs (among them, for sure, CV Tahio), is approaching Shemya Island, in NOPAC, right 1 hex east of Attu... We identified a CL combat TF preceeding an ASW TF which escorts the CVs.... Intel says 2 jap divisions and 2 jap regiment are prepping for Shemya Is.... We have nearly 300 AVs there behind 6 forts...not a single CD gun tough...
 
 
 
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Night Naval bombardment of Russell Islands at 113,136 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
 
Japanese aircraft
      no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      E13A1 Jake: 2 damaged
      Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged
 
108 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
 
Allied Ships
      CA Quincy
      CA Astoria, Shell hits 3
      CA Salt Lake City
      CA Louisville
      CL Denver, Shell hits 1
      CL Columbia
      DD Cushing
      DD Drayton
      DD Lang
      DD Aaron Ward
      DD Meredith
      DD Taylor
      DD Strong
      DD Renshaw
 
Japanese ground losses:
      220 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 16 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
 
 
 
Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 60
Port hits 14
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 4
 
 
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Night Naval bombardment of Russell Islands at 113,136 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
 
Japanese aircraft
      no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 damaged
 
76 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
 
Allied Ships
      CA San Francisco
      CA Portland
      CL Detroit
      CL Raleigh
      DD Jarvis
      DD Blue
      DD Bache
      DD Aulick
      DD Abbot
 
 
 
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 5
Port hits 4
 
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Night Naval bombardment of Thousand Ships Bay at 114,136 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
 
172 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
 
Allied Ships
      BB Mississippi
      CA Chester
      CA Houston
      CA Northampton
      CA Indianapolis, Shell hits 2
      DD Shaw, Shell hits 1
      DD Mahan
      DD Craven
      DD Helm
      DD Morris
      DD Anderson
      DD Gansevoort
 
Japanese ground losses:
      306 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
         Engineers: 4 destroyed, 20 disabled
 
 
 
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 35
Port hits 4
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Auki , at 115,136
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Boomerang C-12 x 1
      B-24D1 Liberator x 149
      F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
      36 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
 
 
 
Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 42
Runway hits 235
 
 
 
Later will follow screenshots and more analyses....
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25th Division is planning for an attack on Shemya Island.
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade is planning for an attack on Shemya Island.
46th Division is planning for an attack on Shemya Island.
74th Infantry Regiment is planning for an attack on Shemya Island.


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This is great news! Solomon Island North!

Is this prep info sudden, or have you been getting it for quite awhile?

Gets some transport aircraft squadrons up there and start airlifiting in some excess troops from Adak or vicinity. You can increase your garrison markedly in just a few days. Don't delay on this. Even if you have to move the aircraft in stages all the way from Oz, get some going. You'll want them. The sooner the better.

What in the world is rader thinking?
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This is great news! Solomon Island North!

Is this prep info sudden, or have you been getting it for quite awhile?

Gets some transport aircraft squadrons up there and start airlifiting in some excess troops from Adak or vicinity. You can increase your garrison markedly in just a few days. Don't delay on this. Even if you have to move the aircraft in stages all the way from Oz, get some going. You'll want them. The sooner the better.

What in the world is rader thinking?

Yup, already 2 Regiments are being airlifted from nearby bases and some training squadrons are being transfered from Seattle Area.

The 25th Division is being prepping for a while now but i thought it was just one of the multi-deception actions by Rader (divisions are prepping since 41 for Brisbane, Aukland, Sydney, PH etc etc).

I have the equivalent of a reinforced regiment there (3 BNs + 1 combat Eng Bn) and 6 lvl forts with 70k supplies...

I'm not scared anyway....even if i lose the Island i won't lose anything important and i'll be able to get back there pretty easily...

Subs are being sent there to flood the whole area, while i keep 3 CVs, 2 CVLs and 4 CVE at PH...eventually ready to come in if needed...
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