French Aircraft

[John 3rd]

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
2. Skyland: The French? Is there any aircraft for those boys or are they strictly land and sea?

I would love to see some Morane-Saulnier 406s. Maybe a squadron or two could get some Dewoitine 520s sometime? The Bloch 170s and Amiot 350 series weren't bad 2E light bombers either.

Didn't the French have a nice naval dive bomber? A Loire-Nieuport?

This is a call for anyone who has done French aircraft in AE. Has anyone accomplished this and, more importantly, would you be interested in adding it to the Perfect War Mod?

[Misconduct]

I can give all the specifications if needed for french aircraft, ships, tanks and units.

[oldman45]

I would love to see them too, but the question is spare parts. These planes have been flying for over a year since the fall of France. Whats keeping them in the air?

[Misconduct]

ORIGINAL: oldman45

I would love to see them too, but the question is spare parts. These planes have been flying for over a year since the fall of France. Whats keeping them in the air?

I don't think there would be any spare parts, more so I would believe they fly more Allied aircraft (hurri, P40s, Spitfires) rather then french aircraft themselves.

Edited: For example, they would start out flying D.520's, but when the planes run out have to switch to other aircrafts.

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Cut this out of the Perfect War Thread: Allied Side

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
2. Skyland: The French? Is there any aircraft for those boys or are they strictly land and sea?

I would love to see some Morane-Saulnier 406s. Maybe a squadron or two could get some Dewoitine 520s sometime? The Bloch 170s and Amiot 350 series weren't bad 2E light bombers either.

Didn't the French have a nice naval dive bomber? A Loire-Nieuport?

This is a call for anyone who has done French aircraft in AE. Has anyone accomplished this and, more importantly, would you be interested in adding it to the Perfect War Mod?

In Indo-China they had some squads of Potez-25 TOEs, a handful of MS.406, and some Farman 221s. Also a handful of CAMS 55 patrol flying boats and a few Loire 130 flying boats. By the end of the war, most of these were not in servicable condition due to lack of spares.

[JWE]

While ya'll are at it; something that might just warm the cockles of Skyland's little french fried heart would be a Latecoere 302 flying boat.

If you gots French ships and French troops, you need 'something' from the Armee de l'Air. Replacement parts? Ce qui fait ce moyen, pièces de rechange? Choses inutiles. Yeah, they will need to upgrade to something eventually, just like the Dutch, but the Dutch flew for a loooong time after the fall of the Netherlands. If you are gonna add French ships and troops, I think it's worth it to add some planes, too. Just mho [;)]

Basically, my friends, if you are going to do France, then do France.

[oldman45]

You just had to make me break out the translator didn't ya [;)] I agree there needs to be French planes, they had some good ones. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of flying them with out parts.

[Skyland]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Cut this out of the Perfect War Thread: Allied Side

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
2. Skyland: The French? Is there any aircraft for those boys or are they strictly land and sea?

I would love to see some Morane-Saulnier 406s. Maybe a squadron or two could get some Dewoitine 520s sometime? The Bloch 170s and Amiot 350 series weren't bad 2E light bombers either.

Didn't the French have a nice naval dive bomber? A Loire-Nieuport?

This is a call for anyone who has done French aircraft in AE. Has anyone accomplished this and, more importantly, would you be interested in adding it to the Perfect War Mod?

I have everything you need [:)]
I can do also the Loire Nieuport LN410 and the Laté 302.


The list of aircraft already done is here :
https://sites.google.com/site/waroption ... rts/france

Fighter :
Morane Saulnier MS-406/MS-410
Curtiss H-75 A4
Koolhoven FK-58A
Potez 631
Bréguet Br.700
Supermarine Spitfire IX

Heavy Bomber :
Farman 221

Medium Bomber :
Potez 542
Glenn Martin 167 F

Dive Bomber :
Curtiss CW-77

Attack Bomber :
Bréguet Br.693

Recon :
Potez 63.11
Potez 25 A2
Bréguet Br.694
Caudron C.510 Pélican

Transport :
Dewoitine 338
Potez 29
AAC-1 Toucan
Douglas Dakota

Seaplane :
Bréguet Br.521 Bizerte
Potez 452
Loire 130
Marcel Besson MB-411 Pétrel
C.A.M.S. 55-10
Latécoère 298 A
Consolidated PBY Catalina
Dewoitine HD-780

[John 3rd]

Should have GUESSED Skyland had all this! OK. Want a REALISTIC proposal for some form of Frenchie Air Contingent...please place it in the Allied Portion of the Mod Thread.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Cut this out of the Perfect War Thread: Allied Side

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd
2. Skyland: The French? Is there any aircraft for those boys or are they strictly land and sea?

I would love to see some Morane-Saulnier 406s. Maybe a squadron or two could get some Dewoitine 520s sometime? The Bloch 170s and Amiot 350 series weren't bad 2E light bombers either.

Didn't the French have a nice naval dive bomber? A Loire-Nieuport?

This is a call for anyone who has done French aircraft in AE. Has anyone accomplished this and, more importantly, would you be interested in adding it to the Perfect War Mod?

In Indo-China they had some squads of Potez-25 TOEs, a handful of MS.406, and some Farman 221s. Also a handful of CAMS 55 patrol flying boats and a few Loire 130 flying boats. By the end of the war, most of these were not in servicable condition due to lack of spares.

My test game opponent is a French pilot and he found data saying the CAMS 55s were down to one machine - in Tahiti. I have Potez 25 art and one other type in a WITP filmstrip if you want it and CAMS 55s in a AE filmstrip. But note the on map planes not in Tahiti would be Axis - not Allied

[wdolson]

The French also had Douglas DB-7s (A-20s), Vindicators, and SBC Helldivers.

Bill

[John 3rd]

Cool!

[oldman45]

The Glenn Martin 167F was the Maryland attack bomber. Kinda cool to add that to the DB.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: oldman45

You just had to make me break out the translator didn't ya [;)] I agree there needs to be French planes, they had some good ones. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of flying them with out parts.

They managed to keep aircraft in the air in NW Africa and Syria, probably cannibalised some aircraft to keep the rest flying.
Maybe give them a poor maintenance rating to show this.

IMHO, for the proposed changes to happen, lots of other things changed in the pre-war years. maybe France invested a bit more military force in FIC which makes these things happen.

[wdolson]

The Vichy government was allowed to keep some aircraft in production and produce spares for some other aircraft.  Parts for the American built aircraft were hard to come by though, which is probably why only a few DB-7s were flying by November 1942.  I don't know how many of the Curtiss Hawks they kept flying, but they started with a fair number.

The Finnish kept their American and British aircraft flying as long as possible too, but ultimately they had to give up due to lack of spares.

Bill

[Shark7]

The way I did it for the Vichy was to put them in with a small pool and make sure the aircraft was listed as 'out of production' by giving it a start and end date of 41-12. Seems to be a workable solution...you get the squads and enough to keep them flying for a couple of years, but you can't produce French aircraft in Japanese factories.

[oldman45]

The other way they kept flying was using allied aircraft. I know ppl want the French planes, but there are allied planes we don't use because the were only used in Europe or North Africa. Now we can include them as French planes.

[Mundy]

The SBCs wound up being left to rust on the beach in the Caribbean, due to US pressure at the time after France fell.

U.S. concerns about the aircraft were placated while technically allowing the French to "keep" them.

Ed-

[DOCUP]

Yea, these aircraft shouldn't be able to last to the end of the war. But it will add some spice with the changes. Now correct me if I am wrong. With the new Beta; dosen't it allow you to upgrade AC from any nationality?

doc

[Shark7]

In my case it didn't matter because there is no 'Vichy' side I simply had to add all the Vichy units as heavily restricted Japanese units with a 'Vichy' HQ to answer to. I had to do the same with the RTAF as well.

If you add in stuff as Free French, being able to upgrade to any nationalities aircraft would be very useful.

If there ever is a WiTP2, the Axis side needs to have defined nationalities for the puppets (Thailand, Vichy, Manchuko, etc) and even Germany (who operated a handful of subs and surface raiders in the Indian Ocean).