changing night groups to day

[Hard Sarge]

I am out of town and on my laptop, and the editor does not work with my laptop, so can't get inside of the game, one thing I see, is you need the A8/R7, the 50 I put into stock to help out in the 44 Campaign, do not help (will change them to R7's in the pool when I get home)

the little I was able to follow last night, Stab/300 made the change, didn't see any of the others but was only a couple day run, so stilling to see what is what

[Hard Sarge]

total pain, took two days to get my stuff onto my main computer and getting it to work (odd, can't use the editor on Win 7, it works, but does not save the files ????) also can't copy and paste, but can click and drag ?

for the OOB, changed the 50 A8/R8s in the pool to A8/R7 and that seems to work better (you can't make the R8 other then with the Pak, and the game uses the R7 instead of the R8) for my tests after making the change, I was getting the 300's to upgrade

(kind of cheated, changed over the IV.JG3 to A8's so more were in the pool, but it worked for the test) the HARD part is checking the 109s Gruppen, but can cheat there too)

[Hard Sarge]

Moreover I noticed that after succesfully researching certain types of aircraft which have the gun pod attachment ability (109GX/R6 variants or the 109K4/K6), you can´t attach the gun pods until the date the aircraft originally becomes available. So when you research the G14 to become available in, say April, the gun pod attachment is only possibly starting with the original availabiliy date, i.e. July 44 for the G-14/R-6 or Sep 44 for the K6. This is really a nuisance. How about changing the availability dates of all the gun-pod mod planes to Sep 43, as they can´t be build directly either way.

that should be doable, will look at it

tests for the G-14 worked, at least with a 44 game as the starting point

hassle is, I am not sure if it is my test verison or or the game over all (my version was past what was released as a patch way before the patch was released last)

hassle with the G-14 upgrade path, is a lot of other units are going to want that plane, which if the player/AI does a massive production line change over, no hassle, but when you only have a few, they going to be going to other units before they go to the 300s

another hassle is, the units will upgrade to the base model, the player will have to change over to the Pak verison to get, the AI is not going to do this (and with my touch ups for the R8, you really are going to want to be using the R8 over the R7, it is still a pig and a dog, but up close, it is going to clobber bombers with that short range 30mm)

really wish I could force units to use the rocket, if I give a unit rockets, then the plane has rockets and can use the button to carry more rockets (duhh) but I think the AI would be much better if it would use them

[Hard Sarge]

just a test of the A8/R8, sort of a set up, but (and I missed the snap of the good attack)

two Gruppen of 190's with a Stab and a Staffen

[Hard Sarge]

the pilots after the raid

[Hard Sarge]

so 17 kills, for one lost 190, with a number of them damaged, one crashed on landing, pilot wounded for 17 days, end of day was 20 to 1, of course not Allied fighters were around

but did have a 5 damage/6 kill bounce

[Hard Sarge]

2nd test was the same target, same Allied Groups, but 2 Gruppen of 190A6's and a Stab

the bounce by a Gruppen of A6's

[Hard Sarge]

the pilots afterward

and to be honest, the Stab got into the straggers

[Hard Sarge]

end of the day results was 7 Allied for 5 A6s lost

now, will agree, not the best of tests, but it does show what the R8 can do, if it gets to the bombers (hint, Heavy fighters got to be away from the coast)

over all, the A6's did get damaged planes on there bounces, and got damaged bad in return, the A8/R8 got kills, and damaged, and got hurt in return, but, most made it back to base (if fighters were around, dont think that would of happened as well)

[ian66]

Thanks for trying to help but I'm sorry I'm still totally lost, I did try 44 campaign amd I did get 50 R8's in pool which upgraded stab 300 but no others. In 43 campaign if I change others, say IV/JG3 to A8/R8 then change back they go back into pool as R7 so as I say no way of getting R8's into pool and no way of auto upgrade. I see that 109-Ga6 etc will manually upgrade to 190A8/R7 with over 500 in pool.

[lastdingo]

A while ago players reported that the 30? wings do not convert to daylight fighters if you had them converted to another aircraft type before.

[ian66]

Fortunatly a read that before and I've never converted them to anything else, they still don't auto convert.

[lycortas]

Yeah, i remember playing JC's mod of the original game and having 32 Ju 88c's launch rockets into b17f's in '43. 6 dead, 1 damaged!!! Dude!
Still lost the campaign as my allied opponent was brilliant.

Mike

[harley]

I'm still doing some stuff for the next patch. Adding in the "auto upgrade" toggle on a global and per-unit basis might not make it, but it is on the list.

This would let you change them to something else, then change them back and put the auto upgrade back on.

Of course, this could lead to a NJG > Day Fighter cheat, so I'll have to put some work into it to make it OK...

[npsergio]

I'm into turn 6 on a 44'Campaign playing Axis.
At the moment Stab\300 have changed into daylight fighter. Do the others will change also into daylaight fighters or they won't?
I have made a test and after more than 50 turns the game ended with an automatic Axis victory and only Stab/300 changed into daylaight fighter... Have I to wait for more turns? Or there is any problem with this auto-upgrade?

Thanks in advance!

[ian66]

I gave up on the '43 full campaign and had a go at the '44 full campaign, only Stab JG300 upgraded as other have noted. Suddenly when the Me 262A became available Stab's JG 301 and 302 upgraded to that! Frustratingly I can't produce enough jets to see if the gruppen of JG 3xx's upgrade!