Yes, Ndeni could be supported by LOC from Australia so getting close to its LOC from the USA is less effective.
Its also very easy sitting in CR's AAR, what must Chez think when another line of threat appears!
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Why not press further down the Kurile chain? You seem to have the only CV in the area, have the upper hand in large combatants, a land based air umbrella, and the season is getting late - anything you take may well be safe for the winter.
As you say he is totally preoccupied elsewhere. plus your 4 engine bombers really would like to get into the action and drain off some of his excess fighters. Without the DEI oil any hits on his HI will be a critical drain.
I understand that this isn't set up logistically but...just my thoughts as a move here would really, really force him to respond in a panic.
As you say he is totally preoccupied elsewhere. plus your 4 engine bombers really would like to get into the action and drain off some of his excess fighters. Without the DEI oil any hits on his HI will be a critical drain.
I understand that this isn't set up logistically but...just my thoughts as a move here would really, really force him to respond in a panic.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Hey, desicat. They're are many reasons not to press down any further. Among the most important:
1) Japan has had four months to garrison bases in the Kuriles and to build forts.
2) Japan has multiple airbases covering those islands, which are more than sufficient to counter any Allied air power that could project that far.
3) Any invaison would be very risky to ships and would require a large commitment of troops.
4) The Allies are very short on Political Points and don't have enough to buy restricted units that would be necessary for such an undertaking.
5) If held, Para and Onnekotan Jima are more than sufficient to permit Allied 4EB to strike Japanese resources at bases like Shikuka.
6) Para and Onne are at risk The Allies only have 150 AV (two forts) at Onne, and 450 AV (three forts) at Para. Japan can mount amphibious attacks that would rather readily take both bases, so each "cries" for reinforcement.
7) The Allied lodgement in the Kuriles poses a major threat to Japan, which simply has to address them sooner or later. The Allies wish to be prepared, both with strong garrisons and with a naval presence strong enough to require a major commitment by Japan.
8) Such a commitment by Japan likely will succeed, but will draw off resources dearly needed in other theaters (especially the DEI). Allied activity in the Kuriles is and always has been about benefiting the Allied defense of Sumatra. If Japan doesn't attend to this threat fairly soon, though, the Kuriles themselves become a major Allied base that poses a separate major threat to Japan.
Thus, the answer to your question is that the Kuriles represent a complexly woven tapestry, with the current operation advancing the Allied position there.
1) Japan has had four months to garrison bases in the Kuriles and to build forts.
2) Japan has multiple airbases covering those islands, which are more than sufficient to counter any Allied air power that could project that far.
3) Any invaison would be very risky to ships and would require a large commitment of troops.
4) The Allies are very short on Political Points and don't have enough to buy restricted units that would be necessary for such an undertaking.
5) If held, Para and Onnekotan Jima are more than sufficient to permit Allied 4EB to strike Japanese resources at bases like Shikuka.
6) Para and Onne are at risk The Allies only have 150 AV (two forts) at Onne, and 450 AV (three forts) at Para. Japan can mount amphibious attacks that would rather readily take both bases, so each "cries" for reinforcement.
7) The Allied lodgement in the Kuriles poses a major threat to Japan, which simply has to address them sooner or later. The Allies wish to be prepared, both with strong garrisons and with a naval presence strong enough to require a major commitment by Japan.
8) Such a commitment by Japan likely will succeed, but will draw off resources dearly needed in other theaters (especially the DEI). Allied activity in the Kuriles is and always has been about benefiting the Allied defense of Sumatra. If Japan doesn't attend to this threat fairly soon, though, the Kuriles themselves become a major Allied base that poses a separate major threat to Japan.
Thus, the answer to your question is that the Kuriles represent a complexly woven tapestry, with the current operation advancing the Allied position there.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Cr, Thank you for the detailed reply. It would be hard to argue against your logic.
I will make a prediction, based upon his current force disposition he will not only fail to dislodge your current holdings but come the Spring of 1943 this spearhead will become the main focus of the war.
I will make a prediction, based upon his current force disposition he will not only fail to dislodge your current holdings but come the Spring of 1943 this spearhead will become the main focus of the war.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
He's coming overland to at least sniff out Pagang. I'll fight him there. He might be bringing more, but that will take a long time, the roads are bad, and the defensive terrain is good. He could possibly make things very hard on the Allies if he brings ten divisions overland from western Sumatra, but he wouldn't be in a position to fight until September or later. That's too late.
Another anomoly that's been developing lately is that he's finally attending to Malaybalay, where the Allies have 450 AV in a rough, jungle hex with 3k supply. It would have been fun to take advantage of this "Alamo" on Mindanao (Nemo did in his game vs. One-Eyed-Jacks), but it's awfully late for Steve to be attending to major "mop up" targets. He still has to attend to Darwin, Port Moresby, and Port Blair, and the Allies hope to string things out long enough that he can't do so.
I just took Malaybalay in my game with Bill. We're at the end of June 42 and it was a surprise when I hit it and got repulsed the first time. Not nice. Sort of rude even!
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8/1/42
NoPac: A singularly unsatisfying day up here. I had expected the Allied transports to drop at least 20k supply since they are amphibiously loaded and had a full day to work. Instead, only about 3,500 supply came ashore - half was devoted to resupplying the units. At this rate it will take a long time for the ships to unload, and time means exposure as the enemy has a chance to organize a response to the attack. Secondly, waves of Japanese fighters tangled with the Allied CAP. The Allied aircraft held their own, but most of the squadrons are now heavily disabled. I have two more LBA squadrons on the way to theater, but both are also currently heavily disabled (one at Adak and one at Prince Rupert). Most of the reinforcing RCT did come ashore, boosting Allied AV to about 500.
CenPac: No sign of the KB today. Unloading of engineers and supply at Ndeni continues without detection. Next to arrive at this base will be a port service unit that is perhaps three days out. Then comes a larger convoy carrying infantry and more engineers. It might be six days out. The TF carrying Marines and Sea Bees to Makin is about two days south of Tarawa and on the final approach.
SoPac: Heavy enemy naval bombardment and figher sweeps agains Pago Pago. Confirmed that the enemy has BBs Yamashior and Hyuga, plus CAs Nachi, Ashigara, Chikuma, and Tone.
Enemy Cruisers: The commitment of IJN capital ships to SoPac is interesting information. Ashigara and Nachi were posted in NoPac earlier in the year, suggesting that Steve has a pretty weak force up there now (I'm guessing no more than two CAs, if that). Thus, there are four CAs in SoPac, three known to be in the DEI (Kumano, Hagura and Maya), at least one near Tarawa (Kinugasa), and seven confirmed sunk. That leaves only three currently unaccounted for. It is likely that one or more of these is operating with the KB. So Steve has to be very weak in NoPac, and the force allocated to the DEI is woefully deficient, where Japan will have less capital ships (though ships of better quality) than the Allies. Japan cannot successfully invade Sumatra with half of her capital ships in SoPac and CenPac.
DEI: Enemy combat TF sighted at Semereng. I think Steve may employ Yamato, Kirishima, the three CAs, and perhaps more against Allied shipping at Oosthaven. The Allies currently have BB Valiant, BC Repulse, and CAs Portland, Chester, and Salt Lake City posted there. The Allies would likely lose and perhaps lose badly any clash between those two forces. But Japan cannot afford to lose even a signle capital ship at this point, so the Allies will stand and fight. Reinforcements are on the way. BB Revenge and CAs Devonshire and Indianapolis are four days away. BB North Carolina and CAs Pensacola and New Orleans are six days out. BB Warspite will arrive in about eight days. In one week, if nothing happens in the meantime, the Allies will have a much larger force at Oosthaven than Japan can bring over the short term.
NoPac: A singularly unsatisfying day up here. I had expected the Allied transports to drop at least 20k supply since they are amphibiously loaded and had a full day to work. Instead, only about 3,500 supply came ashore - half was devoted to resupplying the units. At this rate it will take a long time for the ships to unload, and time means exposure as the enemy has a chance to organize a response to the attack. Secondly, waves of Japanese fighters tangled with the Allied CAP. The Allied aircraft held their own, but most of the squadrons are now heavily disabled. I have two more LBA squadrons on the way to theater, but both are also currently heavily disabled (one at Adak and one at Prince Rupert). Most of the reinforcing RCT did come ashore, boosting Allied AV to about 500.
CenPac: No sign of the KB today. Unloading of engineers and supply at Ndeni continues without detection. Next to arrive at this base will be a port service unit that is perhaps three days out. Then comes a larger convoy carrying infantry and more engineers. It might be six days out. The TF carrying Marines and Sea Bees to Makin is about two days south of Tarawa and on the final approach.
SoPac: Heavy enemy naval bombardment and figher sweeps agains Pago Pago. Confirmed that the enemy has BBs Yamashior and Hyuga, plus CAs Nachi, Ashigara, Chikuma, and Tone.
Enemy Cruisers: The commitment of IJN capital ships to SoPac is interesting information. Ashigara and Nachi were posted in NoPac earlier in the year, suggesting that Steve has a pretty weak force up there now (I'm guessing no more than two CAs, if that). Thus, there are four CAs in SoPac, three known to be in the DEI (Kumano, Hagura and Maya), at least one near Tarawa (Kinugasa), and seven confirmed sunk. That leaves only three currently unaccounted for. It is likely that one or more of these is operating with the KB. So Steve has to be very weak in NoPac, and the force allocated to the DEI is woefully deficient, where Japan will have less capital ships (though ships of better quality) than the Allies. Japan cannot successfully invade Sumatra with half of her capital ships in SoPac and CenPac.
DEI: Enemy combat TF sighted at Semereng. I think Steve may employ Yamato, Kirishima, the three CAs, and perhaps more against Allied shipping at Oosthaven. The Allies currently have BB Valiant, BC Repulse, and CAs Portland, Chester, and Salt Lake City posted there. The Allies would likely lose and perhaps lose badly any clash between those two forces. But Japan cannot afford to lose even a signle capital ship at this point, so the Allies will stand and fight. Reinforcements are on the way. BB Revenge and CAs Devonshire and Indianapolis are four days away. BB North Carolina and CAs Pensacola and New Orleans are six days out. BB Warspite will arrive in about eight days. In one week, if nothing happens in the meantime, the Allies will have a much larger force at Oosthaven than Japan can bring over the short term.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
NoPac: A singularly unsatisfying day up here. I had expected the Allied transports to drop at least 20k supply since they are amphibiously loaded and had a full day to work. Instead, only about 3,500 supply came ashore - half was devoted to resupplying the units. At this rate it will take a long time for the ships to unload, and time means exposure as the enemy has a chance to organize a response to the attack.
Is the port still a 1, or has it gone up? This might only work for one ship if it's still a 1, but have you tried disengaging one or a few ships up to the docking limit and unloading those while docked, as well as continuing to unload the undocked TF? Seems to speed things up and once those finish you can get them out of there.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: obvert
NoPac: A singularly unsatisfying day up here. I had expected the Allied transports to drop at least 20k supply since they are amphibiously loaded and had a full day to work. Instead, only about 3,500 supply came ashore - half was devoted to resupplying the units. At this rate it will take a long time for the ships to unload, and time means exposure as the enemy has a chance to organize a response to the attack.
Is the port still a 1, or has it gone up? This might only work for one ship if it's still a 1, but have you tried disengaging one or a few ships up to the docking limit and unloading those while docked, as well as continuing to unload the undocked TF? Seems to speed things up and once those finish you can get them out of there.
+1. I have had success with this sort of approach.
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Yeah, I have one TF of three 3,200k ships docked (Para is a size two port), with the remaining TFs undocked. Basically, I was hoping my busy sailors would be tossing packages into the surf, but they insist on being neat and orderly. 
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Das darf nicht var sein! (aka "What hath God wrought?")
I'll post a complete report for the day later, but I wanted to focus for a moment on a terrible naval action in the Kuriles (I could title this "Carnage in the Kuriles," but the would be awful alliteration...it would be purile and putrid posting).\
By the way, notice that the amount of moonlight decreases during the turn...the dadgum moon was setting as this battle raged. Talk about level of detail in gaming!
Night Time Surface Combat, near Paramushiro-jima at 137,47, Range 4,000 Yards
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Naganami
DD Natsushio, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Arare
DD Umikaze
Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
CL Phoenix
DD Bagley, Shell hits 3
DD Helm
DD Henley
DD Cummings, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Phelps
DD Monaghan, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Fox
DD Kane, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 1
Poor visibility due to Rain with 71% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 71% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
Tobita, Kenjiro crosses the 'T'
BB Pennsylvania engages DD Yukikaze at 4,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania engages DD Arare at 4,000 yards
DD Kane engages DD Arare at 4,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Kane at 4,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Arare at 4,000 yards
DD Phelps engages DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages BB Pennsylvania at 2,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Arare at 2,000 yards
DD Kane engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
DD Naganami engages DD Monaghan at 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Phelps at 2,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Cummings at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Bagley at 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania sunk by DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Cummings engages DD Arare at 3,000 yards
DD Kane engages DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Cummings at 3,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Monaghan at 3,000 yards
DD Cummings sunk by DD Naganami at 3,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Henley at 3,000 yards
DD Helm engages DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Bagley at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Umikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Kane at 2,000 yards
DD Fox engages DD Umikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Phelps engages DD Naganami at 2,000 yards
DD Helm engages DD Yukikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Umikaze engages DD Bagley at 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CL Phoenix engages DD Yukikaze at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Kane at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Fox at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Monaghan at 7,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Phelps at 7,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Henley at 7,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Bagley at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DMS Boggs at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Umikaze engages DD Bagley at 10,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Kane at 10,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Yukikaze at 10,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Natsushio at 10,000 yards
DD Naganami engages DD Kane at 10,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Yukikaze at 10,000 yards
DD Helm engages DD Natsushio at 10,000 yards
DD Umikaze engages DD Bagley at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Paramushiro-jima at 137,47, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 1
DD Yugure, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Satsuki
TB Kari
DD Myojinami
Allied Ships
DD Lardner, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
xAK Caleb Strong, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK George H. Williams, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK John C. Calhoun, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK John Page, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Stephen J. Field, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Poor visibility due to Rain with 71% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 71% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages DD Lardner at 6,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Satsuki at 6,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK John C. Calhoun at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages DD Lardner at 5,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK John Page at 5,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK John C. Calhoun at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Myojinami at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Satsuki at 2,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK John Page at 2,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK George H. Williams at 2,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Myojinami at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Satsuki at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Yugure at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK John C. Calhoun at 2,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK George H. Williams at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Myojinami at 3,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Stephen J. Field at 3,000 yards
xAK John C. Calhoun sunk by DD Yugure at 3,000 yards
xAK George H. Williams sunk by TB Kari at 3,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Caleb Strong at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Stephen J. Field at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK John Page at 2,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Stephen J. Field at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages DD Lardner at 3,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Paramushiro-jima at 137,47, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Nenohi
DD Yugure, on fire
DD Satsuki
TB Kari
DD Myojinami
Allied Ships
xAK Susan Luckenbach, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Manulani, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Clevedon, Shell hits 24, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Don Isidro, Shell hits 5, on fire
xAK Eldorado, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage
Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Reduced visibility due to Rain with 60% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 60% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 6,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK Clevedon at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Don Isidro at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Manulani at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Susan Luckenbach at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Eldorado at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
xAK Manulani sunk by DD Nenohi at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
xAK Susan Luckenbach sunk by DD Nenohi at 2,000 yards
Sakai K. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Eldorado at 4,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Don Isidro at 4,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 4,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Eldorado at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Eldorado at 9,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Don Isidro at 9,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Don Isidro at 9,000 yards
Task forces break off...
I'll post a complete report for the day later, but I wanted to focus for a moment on a terrible naval action in the Kuriles (I could title this "Carnage in the Kuriles," but the would be awful alliteration...it would be purile and putrid posting).\
By the way, notice that the amount of moonlight decreases during the turn...the dadgum moon was setting as this battle raged. Talk about level of detail in gaming!
Night Time Surface Combat, near Paramushiro-jima at 137,47, Range 4,000 Yards
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Naganami
DD Natsushio, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DD Arare
DD Umikaze
Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
CL Phoenix
DD Bagley, Shell hits 3
DD Helm
DD Henley
DD Cummings, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Phelps
DD Monaghan, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Fox
DD Kane, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 1
Poor visibility due to Rain with 71% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 71% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
Tobita, Kenjiro crosses the 'T'
BB Pennsylvania engages DD Yukikaze at 4,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania engages DD Arare at 4,000 yards
DD Kane engages DD Arare at 4,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Kane at 4,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Arare at 4,000 yards
DD Phelps engages DD Natsushio at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages BB Pennsylvania at 2,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Arare at 2,000 yards
DD Kane engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Natsushio at 2,000 yards
DD Naganami engages DD Monaghan at 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Phelps at 2,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Cummings at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Bagley at 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
BB Pennsylvania sunk by DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Cummings engages DD Arare at 3,000 yards
DD Kane engages DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Cummings at 3,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Monaghan at 3,000 yards
DD Cummings sunk by DD Naganami at 3,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Henley at 3,000 yards
DD Helm engages DD Yukikaze at 3,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Bagley at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Umikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Kane at 2,000 yards
DD Fox engages DD Umikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Phelps engages DD Naganami at 2,000 yards
DD Helm engages DD Yukikaze at 2,000 yards
DD Umikaze engages DD Bagley at 2,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DMS Boggs at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CL Phoenix engages DD Yukikaze at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Kane at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Fox at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DD Monaghan at 7,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Phelps at 7,000 yards
DD Natsushio engages DD Henley at 7,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Bagley at 7,000 yards
DD Yukikaze engages DMS Boggs at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Umikaze engages DD Bagley at 10,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Kane at 10,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Yukikaze at 10,000 yards
DD Monaghan engages DD Natsushio at 10,000 yards
DD Naganami engages DD Kane at 10,000 yards
DD Henley engages DD Yukikaze at 10,000 yards
DD Helm engages DD Natsushio at 10,000 yards
DD Umikaze engages DD Bagley at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Paramushiro-jima at 137,47, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 1
DD Yugure, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Satsuki
TB Kari
DD Myojinami
Allied Ships
DD Lardner, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
xAK Caleb Strong, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK George H. Williams, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK John C. Calhoun, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK John Page, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Stephen J. Field, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Poor visibility due to Rain with 71% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 71% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages DD Lardner at 6,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Satsuki at 6,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK John C. Calhoun at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages DD Lardner at 5,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK John Page at 5,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK John C. Calhoun at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Myojinami at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Satsuki at 2,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK John Page at 2,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK George H. Williams at 2,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Myojinami at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Satsuki at 2,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Yugure at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK John C. Calhoun at 2,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK George H. Williams at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Lardner engages DD Myojinami at 3,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Stephen J. Field at 3,000 yards
xAK John C. Calhoun sunk by DD Yugure at 3,000 yards
xAK George H. Williams sunk by TB Kari at 3,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Caleb Strong at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Stephen J. Field at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK John Page at 2,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Stephen J. Field at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages DD Lardner at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Caleb Strong at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages DD Lardner at 3,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Paramushiro-jima at 137,47, Range 6,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Nenohi
DD Yugure, on fire
DD Satsuki
TB Kari
DD Myojinami
Allied Ships
xAK Susan Luckenbach, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Manulani, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Clevedon, Shell hits 24, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Don Isidro, Shell hits 5, on fire
xAK Eldorado, Shell hits 18, heavy fires, heavy damage
Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway
Reduced visibility due to Rain with 60% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 60% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Eldorado at 6,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 6,000 yards
TB Kari engages xAK Clevedon at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Don Isidro at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Manulani at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Susan Luckenbach at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Eldorado at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
xAK Manulani sunk by DD Nenohi at 2,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Clevedon at 2,000 yards
xAK Susan Luckenbach sunk by DD Nenohi at 2,000 yards
Sakai K. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Eldorado at 4,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Don Isidro at 4,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Clevedon at 4,000 yards
DD Nenohi engages xAK Eldorado at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Myojinami engages xAK Eldorado at 9,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Don Isidro at 9,000 yards
DD Yugure engages xAK Don Isidro at 9,000 yards
Task forces break off...
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Owwwwww.....that's got to be a morale boost for Chaz.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
That is a tough loss. Those are some mean DDs.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
I feel your pain...Japanese DDs in 42 can be a terrible opponent even for CAs or BBs...i lost several BBs in these kind of fights...
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
I feel your pain...Japanese DDs in 42 can be a terrible opponent even for CAs or BBs...i lost several BBs in these kind of fights...
Especially against slow BBs. That TF would probably have done better without Pennsylvania in it.........
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Miller, it reminded me of a big naval clash we had near Morotai in our game. You had a small CL/DD force that ate up a TF led by BB South Dakota. Your guys sank South Dakota, which started a chain reaction of bad things for the Allies in that very costly battle. It had me chewing nails. But note that South Dakota is a modern BB and still got chewed up. So I'm not positive that having BB Pennsylvania present was the cause of this disaster. Maybe, maybe not. Does anybody have any educated thoughts?
Here's the thing: Was this an anomoly - a bad dice role - or was this something that could well happen again? I'm inclined to stick at Paramushiro and fight, but what if the same thing happens again? And that's certainly possible.
I think what I'm going to do is draw some ships from the Wasp TF and its escorting combat TF - probably CA Quincy, CA Houston, and a few DDs and send them to Para.
P.S. The Pennsylvania debacle wasn't due to leadership. The TF was flagged by John Henry Newton, with a leadership rating of 71, and good inspiration and aggression numbers too.
Here's the thing: Was this an anomoly - a bad dice role - or was this something that could well happen again? I'm inclined to stick at Paramushiro and fight, but what if the same thing happens again? And that's certainly possible.
I think what I'm going to do is draw some ships from the Wasp TF and its escorting combat TF - probably CA Quincy, CA Houston, and a few DDs and send them to Para.
P.S. The Pennsylvania debacle wasn't due to leadership. The TF was flagged by John Henry Newton, with a leadership rating of 71, and good inspiration and aggression numbers too.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Probably a combination of bad dice rolls & aggressive Japanese skippers - their DDs can be awfully dangerous opponents. At this point though, I think you're better off sticking it out - it is a sideshow, but if you can bleed him a bit it will be worth it.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
This situation illustrates the amazing complexity of this game. Paramushiro is important, so I want to stay and fight. I just decisively lost a big naval engagement. In trying to decide whether to stay and fight, I have to weigh the possibility of further "unlikely" battle results causing more damage. I want to bring in additional combat ships, but I'm also concerned about the fact that my fighters suffered high losses the day before. There is a chance that enemy LBA could break through and wreak devastation of its own. There's also the chance the enemy will commit more surface combatants, though I think it will take some days to get the heavy-lifters up here (I think this move caught Steve off guard with his capital ships far away). And this is just one relatively "simple" situation in a vast ocean of situations of equal or greater complexity. What a game this AE is!
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
As far as i can tell from my very limited experience, untill you get your late 42/early 43 upgrades (with decent radars) things won't go good for allied TFs. Better to risk only small TFs (i imagine an omaha class CL leading 4/5 Bristol Class DDs) that are nimble enough to avoid his dreaded long lances
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
This situation illustrates the amazing complexity of this game. Paramushiro is important, so I want to stay and fight. I just decisively lost a big naval engagement. In trying to decide whether to stay and fight, I have to weigh the possibility of further "unlikely" battle results causing more damage. I want to bring in additional combat ships, but I'm also concerned about the fact that my fighters suffered high losses the day before. There is a chance that enemy LBA could break through and wreak devastation of its own. There's also the chance the enemy will commit more surface combatants, though I think it will take some days to get the heavy-lifters up here (I think this move caught Steve off guard with his capital ships far away). And this is just one relatively "simple" situation in a vast ocean of situations of equal or greater complexity. What a game this AE is!
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8/2/42
Naval Battle of Paramushiro Jima: See post above for the one-sided IJN naval battle victory in which five Japanese destroyers wrought havoc against the USN Pennyslvania flagged TF. The remaining Allied transports will retire briefly to rendezvous with the new American cruiser force that will be assembled from the Wasp and Houston TFs. Then we'll try to get more supply in to this important base (after two days of unloading, Para only has 3k suppies! Augh! What's going on?).
Das Darf etcetera: The way those five IJN DDs ran through the Allies gives me nightmare visions of similar IJN DD TFs loosed all over the map. The thought of total carnage visited up the key Allied fleet in the DEI is enough to make me nauseous. Then reality kicks in - there's really no way a bunch of Japanese DDs can destroy the entire Allied navy. Something's gonna happens somwhere, sometime to balance this out.
CenPac: Patrols report the KB in the same position near Maloelap. This has to be cover for a counterinvasion of Tarawa. Down at Tabituea, I have a big CL/DD force and a large troop transport TF waiting an "all clear" to go in to Makin Island, which currently only has 15 AV. The reinforcements are a Marine RCT and a Sea Bee unit to build forts. I'm not sure I'll get the needed window to safely make the insertion. Over at Ndeni, things remain quiet. The Sea Bee detachment has forts to 0.90 and port/airfield each at 0.03.
SoPac: The small Allied fighter force at Pago Pago is fighting gamely. I have some reinforcements and supply on the way, though inserting them successfully and safely will be a challenge.
DEI: I look at my good combat ships posted at the exposed port of Oosthaven, consider what just happened at Paramushiro, and tremble. But we gotta stick it out and defend the port. If something bad should happen here, though, at least the Allies have stout reinforcements on the way. I have to maintain a good reserve force here to make sure there is a combat ship presence to interdict any attempted landing at Oosthaven or Benkolen. 182nd RCT should arrive at Oost tomorrow or the next day, at which time the APD TF will move it forward to Billiton Island.
Burma: The situation around Meiktila and Magwe is still development. Japan has a larger force, but the Allies are fighting on the defensive. There is, however, room for maneuver. So this may be an interesting contest.
Naval Battle of Paramushiro Jima: See post above for the one-sided IJN naval battle victory in which five Japanese destroyers wrought havoc against the USN Pennyslvania flagged TF. The remaining Allied transports will retire briefly to rendezvous with the new American cruiser force that will be assembled from the Wasp and Houston TFs. Then we'll try to get more supply in to this important base (after two days of unloading, Para only has 3k suppies! Augh! What's going on?).
Das Darf etcetera: The way those five IJN DDs ran through the Allies gives me nightmare visions of similar IJN DD TFs loosed all over the map. The thought of total carnage visited up the key Allied fleet in the DEI is enough to make me nauseous. Then reality kicks in - there's really no way a bunch of Japanese DDs can destroy the entire Allied navy. Something's gonna happens somwhere, sometime to balance this out.
CenPac: Patrols report the KB in the same position near Maloelap. This has to be cover for a counterinvasion of Tarawa. Down at Tabituea, I have a big CL/DD force and a large troop transport TF waiting an "all clear" to go in to Makin Island, which currently only has 15 AV. The reinforcements are a Marine RCT and a Sea Bee unit to build forts. I'm not sure I'll get the needed window to safely make the insertion. Over at Ndeni, things remain quiet. The Sea Bee detachment has forts to 0.90 and port/airfield each at 0.03.
SoPac: The small Allied fighter force at Pago Pago is fighting gamely. I have some reinforcements and supply on the way, though inserting them successfully and safely will be a challenge.
DEI: I look at my good combat ships posted at the exposed port of Oosthaven, consider what just happened at Paramushiro, and tremble. But we gotta stick it out and defend the port. If something bad should happen here, though, at least the Allies have stout reinforcements on the way. I have to maintain a good reserve force here to make sure there is a combat ship presence to interdict any attempted landing at Oosthaven or Benkolen. 182nd RCT should arrive at Oost tomorrow or the next day, at which time the APD TF will move it forward to Billiton Island.
Burma: The situation around Meiktila and Magwe is still development. Japan has a larger force, but the Allies are fighting on the defensive. There is, however, room for maneuver. So this may be an interesting contest.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.