The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[House Stark]

About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: House Stark

About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

[&:] what you mean? what kind of effect? i was never aware that there were problems with nav search...[X(]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

GreyJoy,

have you become a wolf, or why did you forget these words that should sound familiar:

"What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger"

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I've also spent the whole morning going through PzB vs AndyMac match,

If you have spent the whole morning reading about the epic battle between PzB and Andy Mac, in my opinion you should have noticed one really important thing: The Allied can take several really severe beatings, but they keep coming back.

I may add that in contrast to the Japanese, a lot of Allied men have blue eyes and their flesh is pale like milk. Rader should be the one who feels bad that Winter is coming. You are in command of the others, thus you should rejoice.

Personally, I believe you need to overcome a psychological barrier and make the big jump into a big operation - whichever that operation should be. Yes, you may be repulsed - but you will come back, harder and stronger.

Just my 2cts.

Hartwig

Too many years spent with the wolves can slow a kraken... but i do not sow...and never will.

[&o]

Seriously... it's an ethernal conflict inside me between boldness and coutiousness...between being a Jamie or a Tywin...Daario or Barristan

The allies can come back...for sure..i am the prooven evidence! I've lost two wars (China and India) and despite that i'm still fighting a third one!

...but that's not a reason worth enough to risk everything in a single move...

[Canoerebel]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: House Stark

About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

[&:] what you mean? what kind of effect? i was never aware that there were problems with nav search...[X(]

He said "plane research", GJ, not "nav search."

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: House Stark

About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

[&:] what you mean? what kind of effect? i was never aware that there were problems with nav search...[X(]

He said "plane research", GJ, not "nav search."

ouch...sorry. Misread...

plane research borked? So it may mean that Rader will have problems with his researches? It doesn't seem so so far...Tojos appeared in 5/1942 in hundreds and Franks were in-line in at least 100 units by late september/early nov 1943. Not to say about the Ki-100... so probably his research capabilities have been amplified by that borked beta!...I do fear we'll have to face in early 45 WAVES of shidens, me-262 and those dreaded 2E fighters that can outfly enything except the meteor...[:o]

Will be tough...

Will try to look for some infos about this borked patch...

Thx!

[Canoerebel]

If you're facing super weapons in early 1945, your game is radically different than my Scenario Two game with Miller.  That game ended a little over a year ago, so I suppose it's possible that patching has unleashed new capabilities, but if so I'm not aware of it.

[modrow]

GreyJoy,

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

plane research borked? So it may mean that Rader will have problems with his researches?

no, I think the borking works the opposite way [:D].

Last time I saw it popping up, it was quite near the end of jrcars AAR. Which is very good stuff to read anyway.

Hartwig

[GreyJoy]

Ok...here's an interesting thread...tm.asp?m=2718082&mpage=1&key=Ki%2D100&#2718204
 
Some say that the Ki-100 model could be advanced easily by 18 months....
 
...so... shidens in early 45 it's not a thing we won't see in this game i fear...

[JohnDillworth]

I played the Downfall Scenario.  Shidens definetly are a bad thing for your 4EB's

[GreyJoy]

Ok, in the meanwhile i'm elaborating a possible new plan...

the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Marine divisions will be committed, along with the 7th Inf Division and the 1st CAV division.
The rest of my divisions will operate in the Solomons and NG for the operations here (Choiseul, Treasury, Buka and Torokina and the advance towards Salamua).

Rader has heavily built the southern DEI region...but a limited offensive, provided we are able to make Darwin operative again and we can conquer Bathurst Island without much problems, should make it possible to get a strong footstep in the western coast of NG by mid 1944, in order to support our advancing operations in SOPAC/SWPAC.

Just an option...but it seems doable...

The CENTPAC gamble...is too much for me at the moment... The Mariannas (the only possible target) are really well defended and every single island has been built up to its max and i have my intels that tells me several divisions and engineers are based there...it will simply be too much to chew for me at the moment

[modrow]

...but that's not a reason worth enough to risk everything in a single move...

Don't let Asha hear that, else she'll mock you horribly.

Anyway, one more question and then I'll revert to read only mode again:

What would be reason to risk "everything" in a single move?

Hartwig

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

1. Miller didn't radically advance the late-war uber weapons (Shinden, etc.). I wasn't facing uber weapons. I assume he would have advanced them if he could have.

2. I think Bullwinkle and some others had some very bad experiences with kamikazees. I did not. They were a threat I had to account for, but if felt about "right" to me. And that's with me not attending to pilot training.

3. Allied strategic bombing did not feel "right." Even B-29s were able to accomplish very little. My failure to pilot train might be part of the equation, but I believe Bullwinkle found the same to be true in his game. Blying B-29s at fairly long range (say 15 hexes or more) against decent fighter opposition isn't going to bludgeon Japanese industry.

1. The AI does very moderate, historical-type R&D pacing. I still see a few Nate units near the HI in 1945. I haven't seen any Shindens yet in 4/45. The AI does produce a huge mass of airframes though. Peeking in 1/45 the AI had over 4500 engines in stock, several thousand finished planes, but was only making 15 HI per turn. No fuel. I don't know if the AI gets "taxed" on pipeline pilots or not (probably not), but it was starving for HI/fuel. The last fuel port it has is Palembang, and there are no tankers left running. I own the sea lanes between Sumatra and the HI.

2. Kamis have been my bane. Mostly multi-engine, trash plane models. I also think the AI converts many more units than a human player would. But maybe they should. AI pilot quality is the pits (25-30), but the kamis come in quantities which have really hurt my good amphibs.

3. I concur that B-29s aren't the terror weapons they were in RL. Part of that is the maintenance rating. I can't get more than one powerful strike per ten days or so. It's not unusual for a B-29 to come home damaged with a 17 days repair time at a Level 9 base. I've seen daylight raids at 15,000 feet with 60 B-29s do one point of damage to armament targets. When I do night manpower attacks I get Fires in five-digits, but I don't know how to correlate that to anything. I've never gotten a fire storm.

I've done a decent amount of strat damage by now, but I started from Sakhalin Island in mid-1944, not on the historic timeline. I'd say if a player didn't get started until spring 1945, from China or Formosa say, there wouldn't be enough time to do a great deal of decisive damage.

[jeffk3510]

Your virtual hug made my day. Now go get them! The Java area can be a godsend for your 4Es

[Itdepends]

One of the Betas had plane research advancing even if the R+D factory wasn't fully repaired (effectively accelerating late war planes). I was fixed in a later beta. I can't remember which version had the issue but if you look in the beta patch thread you should be able to find it.

Regards,

Daniel

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

Anyway, one more question and then I'll revert to read only mode again:

What would be reason to risk "everything" in a single move?

Hartwig

Hartwig, at this point of the match, when i survived the fall of China, the disaster of India and the coming back in the Solomons after the drawback of PM and the victory in the Aleutinas?...sincerly?...the answer is noone. The allies now have finally reached a more or less parity in terms of paper strenght...For sure it will be in 1946...but we'll get there, close to the HI...risking everything now would be, imho, after all the considerations we have all made, probably un-wise, to say the least...

Always a pleasure to have you here whenever you will want to switch back to write mode [:)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

Your virtual hug made my day. Now go get them! The Java area can be a godsend for your 4Es

Nice to have you back Jeff!

[:)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Itdepends

One of the Betas had plane research advancing even if the R+D factory wasn't fully repaired (effectively accelerating late war planes). I was fixed in a later beta. I can't remember which version had the issue but if you look in the beta patch thread you should be able to find it.

Regards,

Daniel

I just now that the latest betas have surely lowered allied strenght by making very expensive to change from 2Es to 4Es...100 PPs now...very explensive!! I guess i will have to leave with tons of useless 2Es...

Till now my 2Es have been really useless...even the "light" zeros can put a dent to any 2Es missions...Every time i tried to use the 2Es in their historical role (naval interdiction, ground support, AF low alt strikes) i paid a HUGE price in term of highly trained pilots...

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

1. Miller didn't radically advance the late-war uber weapons (Shinden, etc.). I wasn't facing uber weapons. I assume he would have advanced them if he could have.

2. I think Bullwinkle and some others had some very bad experiences with kamikazees. I did not. They were a threat I had to account for, but if felt about "right" to me. And that's with me not attending to pilot training.

3. Allied strategic bombing did not feel "right." Even B-29s were able to accomplish very little. My failure to pilot train might be part of the equation, but I believe Bullwinkle found the same to be true in his game. Blying B-29s at fairly long range (say 15 hexes or more) against decent fighter opposition isn't going to bludgeon Japanese industry.

1. The AI does very moderate, historical-type R&D pacing. I still see a few Nate units near the HI in 1945. I haven't seen any Shindens yet in 4/45. The AI does produce a huge mass of airframes though. Peeking in 1/45 the AI had over 4500 engines in stock, several thousand finished planes, but was only making 15 HI per turn. No fuel. I don't know if the AI gets "taxed" on pipeline pilots or not (probably not), but it was starving for HI/fuel. The last fuel port it has is Palembang, and there are no tankers left running. I own the sea lanes between Sumatra and the HI.

2. Kamis have been my bane. Mostly multi-engine, trash plane models. I also think the AI converts many more units than a human player would. But maybe they should. AI pilot quality is the pits (25-30), but the kamis come in quantities which have really hurt my good amphibs.

3. I concur that B-29s aren't the terror weapons they were in RL. Part of that is the maintenance rating. I can't get more than one powerful strike per ten days or so. It's not unusual for a B-29 to come home damaged with a 17 days repair time at a Level 9 base. I've seen daylight raids at 15,000 feet with 60 B-29s do one point of damage to armament targets. When I do night manpower attacks I get Fires in five-digits, but I don't know how to correlate that to anything. I've never gotten a fire storm.

I've done a decent amount of strat damage by now, but I started from Sakhalin Island in mid-1944, not on the historic timeline. I'd say if a player didn't get started until spring 1945, from China or Formosa say, there wouldn't be enough time to do a great deal of decisive damage.

mmm...so the B29s aren't a winning weapon and the Kamis are a real problem....

I've read all your threads about the Kami experiments you have made...that scared the hell out of me[X(]...

The rule says Kami will be available from 1.1.1944, right?...so few days...Oh Lord...[:o]


I have a question for you.... my CVs are all due to upgrade....The Essex class have the 10/43 upgrade which takes only 10 days and bring up the AA from 950 to 1150...is it worth to send my CVs back now?

My idea is to send just a couple of them to get this "fast" upgrade and slowly rotate them all...but does it make any real difference?

[Canoerebel]

Kamis aren't available until you take a base within certain range (13 hexes??? measured by sea, not by land???) of Saigon, Tokyo or Taipai (or one of the bases on Formosa).  You aren't close to any of those, so you won't see kamis for quite some time.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Kamis aren't available until you take a base within certain range (13 hexes??? measured by sea, not by land???) of Saigon, Tokyo or Taipai (or one of the bases on Formosa).  You aren't close to any of those, so you won't see kamis for quite some time.

Thank God!

Thank you CR!...now hopefully we'll get back on track with the pace of the game for tonight...