Aircraft data errors

[Helpless]

Air group morale doesn't play the same role as unit morale, it has very little to do with air combat efficiency comparing to experience. There was serious air combat roll bug which was fixed very recently.

Also, please don't hijack the thread. Thanks.

[jaw]

I'm not responsible for the aircraft data but I can assure you that your comments will be reviewed in due course.

[jaw]

ORIGINAL: Denniss

Tanks may need a review as well, I already spotted some errors at Marder II/III, SiG33/Grille and StuGs
StuG-H42 has a correct name: StuH 42
StuGIII F showed a G (superstructure more sloped)
One of the early Marder II does not show a Panzer II Ausf. D/E based vehicle but another early Marder III, see http://www.achtungpanzer.com/marder-marten-series.htm
There's some confusion with siG33 equipped vehicles on 38(t) chassis, both versions with more central gun mount (Ausf. H) and the later one with rear-mounted gun (Ausf. M) were commonly called Grille (may have been an official name for some time). These vehicles were often mislabeled as Bison.
I remember to have seen some image quirks with the Panzer III, expecially the Ausf. N images for GER and ROM (can't remember exactly, no access currently)
PaK 43 and PaK 43/1 had some different stats although the latter had just a different mount to adapt them for use in different vehicles
2cm Flakvierling 38 is based on four 2cm FlaK 38 barrels yet rate of fire is more the 4 times that of FlaK 38, range or alt were also different

This stuff I am responsible for so here's my reply:

The naming of German equipment is often just a question of style. Most of the technical names are too long to fit into the available field so the name commonly associated with the AFV is used instead. If a previous title described a StuH 42 as an StuG-H42 it would get carried forward that way on the assumption that was the name people were familiar with. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other so you might see it changed.

I didn't select the photos to go with units so I can't comment on why any particular photo was used but I regard them in general as just there to give you an idea of what the unit looked like and not an absolutely accurate representation.

The differences between the Pak 43s is both doctrinal and technical. The 88 on the Nashorn was given better stats than 88 on the Elephant to reflect the fact that the Nashorn was employed as a long range tank destroyer while the Elephant (which was intended to also be a long range tank destroyer) was employed (at least at Kursk) in a more assault gun role. Technically the Nashorn also should have enjoyed some range advantage due to its ability to elevate its gun higher than the Elephant (20 degrees versus 14 degrees). You could argue that none of that should matter and their stats should be the same. Considering how minor a factor the Elephant is, I don't think either approach as any game effect.

Both version of the 20mm flak gun are actually firing at less than their ROF. The quad gets an ROF boost on the assumption that it is better supplier with ammo.

[Omat]

Hello

I am not sure if this is an error or not.
I am also not sure if I am highjacking this thread but I think it is so unimportant that it does not deserve an extra thread. If my post is not condign for this thread I am sorry.

scenario: All which starts 1941

Air groups:


1117 2/41 IAP
1232 2/20 IAP
1266 2/69 IAP

All set to group size to "Air Regiment". The other units which named "2/xx IAP" are only "Air Battalion".

Hope it helps....

Omat

[Denniss]

I claimed somewhere above the Panzer III Ausf. N image (Panzer III with short 7.5cm gun) is not of an Ausf. N, now I have a confirmation. I found other images of the same tank not taken as head-on shot of the gun:
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/photopos ... photo=9574 and http://www.armchairgeneral.com/photopos ... photo=9553
They clearly show a Panzer III with a long 5cm gun.

[Denniss]

The last production Hs 123 aircraft rolled out of the Berlin factories in 1937 but in-game I saw one factory producing it in Kassel ?
Henschel aircraft division had it's production facilities in Berlin-Schönefeld and Berlin-Johannistal

Axis production has Czechoslovakia and Poland with a production factor of 80-85% and manpower of 8%. Dependiing on the included areas this may be from slightly incorrect to grossly incorrect:
1) CZE was overturned/annexed in a rather peacefull way via diplomatic pressure, military threat and the GER-supported secession of Slovakia. People in Slovakia should be considered friendly to the Axis and both production and manpower gain should be higher. 1a) Czech area is a bit different as people did not like the germans very much. The current factors seem to be OK here except if it counts-in the Sudetenland area with a majority of german people (area was integrated into the German Reich).

2) Poland on the opposite was conquered by war and both production and manpower gain should be lower - 70% production and 4% manpower should be a good value to start with. Exception again are areas with a major german population that were integrated into the German Reich after conquering Poland.

3) Soviet Union captured/conquered/annexed lots of areas (Bessarabia from Romania, Baltic states, Karelian area from Finland, Eastern Poland) but in the production screen there's no reduction for factories or manpower gain ?
I was also not able to find any information how these provinced behave if they were freed/taken back by their rightful owner - do they behave like national territory (or fall under the Poland regulation in case of former Estern Poland, maybe Baltic states as well) or are they always handled as captured territory?

UPDATE:
Finnish BT-7 tank image shows T-26
Please rename the german SP rocket art vehicle "Maultier" to Panzerwerfer 42 - Maultier was the nickname for the basic tracked vehicle but not for this special purpose vehicle.

[Denniss]

Some aircraft gun stats are a bit off
It seems all guns of the same caliber have the same range but there were actually short- medium and long range guns with the same caliber.
Compared to all others the MG FF is a shorter range weapon, the MG 151/20 a medium range and the Hispano cannon a long range version. Comparing MG FF and MG 151/20 the gun stats may need soem correction -If we assume the MG FF is actually the MG FF/M the the first had a RoF of about 750 while the latter had 520-540. Both guns used the same projectiles but in different cartridges.
-> RoF too high on MG FF

Similar with 3cm guns, the MK 108 was a very short ranged weapon with rather high RoF (accuracy was not that good either), the MK 103 had a long barrel, was very accurate but low RoF.
-> accuracy of the MK 103 too low, RoF too high; accuracy of the MK 108 too high

The german 37mm Flak 43 has exactly the same states as the older Flak 36, I'm not the expert in these weapons but what I've read the 43 was a major improvement over the 36 in RoF.

I may have written it already above but single 2cm Flak 38 and the quadruple version have the same barrel - they should not have different ceiling.

The (german?) AA MG has no ceiling ?

The german 128mm Flak has a range of 32000 and an accuracy of only 10 ?

7.5cm KwK37/StuK37 and KwK40/StuK40 L/43 are the same guns in different mountings yet the StuK has two points less RoF, surprisingly neither StuK 40 nor PaK39 L/48 have reductions.

German version needs a translation for equipment type 8 (flame).
Translation error:
The Wermacht did not use the name Bataillon - they used Abteilung for the Bn-sized units
Associated translation problem: 653. Schweres Panzerjäger-Bataillon should be 653. schwere Panzerjäger-Abteilung
VI R.A.D. Labor-Gruppe - seems to be some kind of Reichsarbeitsdienst formation with strange translation. The best naming I could find is RAD-Gruppe, Also R.A.D. Labor-Abteilung.

Typo:
42. JägeräDivision (and similar entries) - should be 42. Jäger-Division
1. Gebirgsdivision (and similar entries)should be 1. Gebirgs-Division
708. Statische-Division (and similar entries) - should be 708. statische Division

Incomplete translation: 2nd/3rd SS Motorisierte Brigade - should be 2. and 3. just like the 4. and 6. below

I see some duplicate SS Panzer divs, 1st (translation missing), 9. and 10, but couldn't spot the 3rd (Totenkopf) and 5th (Viking).

In the old BTR/TOH there were several problems with drop tanks, a tank of the same size had the same effect on single and multiple-engined aircraft. Using a single 300l drop tank on a Bf 109 (single engine) should yield a very similar increase in extra time as two 300l tanks on a Bf 110 (two engines). The improper litre/imp gallon/US gallon conversion had I already mentioned - a german 300l drop tank is actually 79 US gallons but was converted into 66 (imp) gallons with flightime set according to these 66 gals. There were also some problems translating effect into flight time, AFAIR it was 2x effect = additional flight time.

[Helpless]

Axis production has Czechoslovakia and Poland with a production factor of 80-85% and manpower of 8%. Dependiing on the included areas this may be from slightly incorrect to grossly incorrect:
1) CZE was overturned/annexed in a rather peacefull way via diplomatic pressure, military threat and the..
...

Shortly for 1,2,3. It is basically already as you describe.

[JJKettunen]

ORIGINAL: Omat

Hello

I am not sure if this is an error or not.
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It's not an error. "Group size" is used to limit the actual number of planes in an unit, nothing else.

[JJKettunen]

Omat, I had misunderstood your post. Shouldn't be replying early in the morning, sorry...

Since the group size for those three units is higher than a battalion, it looks like a bug/typo indeed, although it is always possible that those exact units received more planes than a "standard" battalion. I'll forward your observation to Trey and Pavel. Thanks!