Yes, a bit scary to me as well. I think they missed my concern when I brought it up. Focused on the trees, not the forest in this case.ORIGINAL: Cribtop
Scary thoughts Pax.
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RE: Christmas Island falls!
Pax
RE: Christmas Island falls!
I have not seen this discussed before, so I have no idea.ORIGINAL: Cribtop
Do we know why the Devs are so wedded to the auto-bombardments? It seems that was a big factor here. Is it one of the little oddities hard coded deep in the bowels of the game they just can't rip out or is it in for some other reason?
Pax
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Some info related to the Christams island battle:
1.) The adjusted AV of Andy where all the time quite low. I experienced, with prepared troops and good HQ support in 44 you can get up to 1,6 the non adjusted AV in an deliberate attack and almost tripple the unadjusted AV with an shock attack. The main problem i think for Andy where the /x units. If a unit is not completed (or a fragmet fights) the combat values is quite lower than if the main body fights.
2.) It is mainly a supply problem for sieges of heavy fortifies bases. With some good carrier bombardment, some air bombardment you can reduce the supply even with lvl 9 forts in a x3 terrain island (Truk) very quickly. And as soon as the defender runs out of supply you have won.
In general congratulations to the river crossing of Andy.
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled -> Depending on the force composition you killed a few months of replacements and with 2k disabled squads take quite a long time to repair. I would expect that mainly all the small bdes got mauled and the divisions still work but it was quite a blow.
1.) The adjusted AV of Andy where all the time quite low. I experienced, with prepared troops and good HQ support in 44 you can get up to 1,6 the non adjusted AV in an deliberate attack and almost tripple the unadjusted AV with an shock attack. The main problem i think for Andy where the /x units. If a unit is not completed (or a fragmet fights) the combat values is quite lower than if the main body fights.
2.) It is mainly a supply problem for sieges of heavy fortifies bases. With some good carrier bombardment, some air bombardment you can reduce the supply even with lvl 9 forts in a x3 terrain island (Truk) very quickly. And as soon as the defender runs out of supply you have won.
In general congratulations to the river crossing of Andy.
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled -> Depending on the force composition you killed a few months of replacements and with 2k disabled squads take quite a long time to repair. I would expect that mainly all the small bdes got mauled and the divisions still work but it was quite a blow.
RE: Christmas Island falls!
ORIGINAL: PzB
Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 183419 troops, 3206 guns, 3089 vehicles, Assault Value = 7532
Defending force 113393 troops, 1323 guns, 1102 vehicles, Assault Value = 3553
Allied adjusted assault: 2251
Japanese adjusted defense: 8051
Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 3)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)
Japanese ground losses:
7048 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 669 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 168 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 137 disabled
Guns lost 234 (15 destroyed, 219 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (5 destroyed, 48 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
32779 casualties reported
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled
Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 995 disabled
Engineers: 195 destroyed, 356 disabled
Guns lost 649 (267 destroyed, 382 disabled)
Vehicles lost 363 (28 destroyed, 335 disabled)
Wow, Andy really had the courage to do this??? I would have expected him to feel for the flanks and send some large AV stack in from the East while holding to the North of the River with just a skeleton force. Oh well, casualties were horrible, what else would you expect.
Looking at the above numbers, Andy must have his force reduced to some ~5,000-5,500 AV presently. Disruption and fatigue probably being sky high in the units that suffered most. A large number of destroyed squads, whatever units they are from. The big question is how fast the disabled squads, vehicles and guns can be repaired? There is no "supply(-)" there, and Rangoon is close by, so I guess some 10-15% will return every day? Anybody having any better guesses? With that rate, Andy will be ready again within 10 days to do whatever his plans could be. I don't see why he attacked directly, but likely he will repeat this -- otherwise, why would he accept such losses? Perhaps because of you house rules? What do they mean in a stalemate situation once Monsoon starts?
Your forces are probably down to some 2,800 AV but only with mediocre disruption, I would guess. Within 10 days, assuming Andy doesn't throw everything with two wings and a bomb pylon at you now (opportunity for another CAP trap...?), you might be back up to 3,100 AV or so. Not great, but with 3 forts, you might hold out for another 2 weeks until monsoon hits (assuming that the ease of Christmas is just a less probable result of random dice). You are probably right to reinforce this spot given Andy's aggressive stance.
If you could rush another 3,000 AV there within 3-4 days, you might have a chance for a direct counterattack, although that depends on his supply and disruption distribution in his force. Then you'd face some 5,000-6,000 disrupted allies with 6,000 IJA AV -- unless he also moves forces in from the flanking column. On the other hand, my eyes again move to Chiang Mai and Pegu. How about a flanking effort of your own, even if it might be risky and costly? Do you have good recon on Pegu and the surrounding hexes? How much AV does Andy have there? Little enough so that detaching say 1,000 AV from their way thru Chiang Mai would stand a chance to overrun them? Maybe you only need to move them in that direction, and not even really attack to force Andy to backtrack?
... And some other reports are just funny [X(]
ORIGINAL: PzB
Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1231 troops, 9 guns, 224 vehicles, Assault Value = 1948
Defending force 9021 troops, 63 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 15
Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Looking at the above numbers, Andy must have his force reduced to some ~5,000-5,500 AV presently. Disruption and fatigue probably being sky high in the units that suffered most. A large number of destroyed squads, whatever units they are from. The big question is how fast the disabled squads, vehicles and guns can be repaired? There is no "supply(-)" there, and Rangoon is close by, so I guess some 10-15% will return every day? Anybody having any better guesses? With that rate, Andy will be ready again within 10 days to do whatever his plans could be. I don't see why he attacked directly, but likely he will repeat this -- otherwise, why would he accept such losses? Perhaps because of you house rules? What do they mean in a stalemate situation once Monsoon starts?
Disabled squads repair at the same speed as replacements for killed squads. So in a well supplied base in rest mode at 1-4 each day. Out in the field 1-4 each 3 days (replacement delay). So it takes quite some time to repair 2500 disabled squads. I currently have a Chinese army with around 4000 disabled squads and even in a base with split divisions (A/B/C) and everything in rest mode it takes around 3-4 months to repair them. So disabled squads take a loooong time to repair, especially if the unit is not in a base.
RE: Christmas Island falls!
With some ~50 combat units there, that would mean about 50-200 squads every 3 days for all the damaged units together. Sounds about right. I never watched replacements so closely, so I better be careful with any guesses. At 200/3 days, it would be a month until Andy will have all his disabled squads return to their units, plus replacement of destroyed ones. At a more average 125 squads, it would be almost 60 days. I guess the time at which Andy will move on will depend on the overall shape of his army, and whether he can scrape together replacement formations, so 30-60 days might be a overestimated upper limit. Maybe it will be more like 20-40 days?
RE: Christmas Island falls!
ORIGINAL: beppi
Some info related to the Christams island battle:
1.) The adjusted AV of Andy where all the time quite low. I experienced, with prepared troops and good HQ support in 44 you can get up to 1,6 the non adjusted AV in an deliberate attack and almost tripple the unadjusted AV with an shock attack. The main problem i think for Andy where the /x units. If a unit is not completed (or a fragmet fights) the combat values is quite lower than if the main body fights.
2.) It is mainly a supply problem for sieges of heavy fortifies bases. With some good carrier bombardment, some air bombardment you can reduce the supply even with lvl 9 forts in a x3 terrain island (Truk) very quickly. And as soon as the defender runs out of supply you have won.
In general congratulations to the river crossing of Andy.
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled -> Depending on the force composition you killed a few months of replacements and with 2k disabled squads take quite a long time to repair. I would expect that mainly all the small bdes got mauled and the divisions still work but it was quite a blow.
However, unless I'm mistaken Christmas Is was still in good supply. Andy took the base so quickly by main force that there was no need to pound supply to zero via a siege.

RE: Christmas Island falls!
my understanding as well ...ORIGINAL: Cribtop
ORIGINAL: beppi
Some info related to the Christams island battle:
1.) The adjusted AV of Andy where all the time quite low. I experienced, with prepared troops and good HQ support in 44 you can get up to 1,6 the non adjusted AV in an deliberate attack and almost tripple the unadjusted AV with an shock attack. The main problem i think for Andy where the /x units. If a unit is not completed (or a fragmet fights) the combat values is quite lower than if the main body fights.
2.) It is mainly a supply problem for sieges of heavy fortifies bases. With some good carrier bombardment, some air bombardment you can reduce the supply even with lvl 9 forts in a x3 terrain island (Truk) very quickly. And as soon as the defender runs out of supply you have won.
In general congratulations to the river crossing of Andy.
Squads: 601 destroyed, 2245 disabled -> Depending on the force composition you killed a few months of replacements and with 2k disabled squads take quite a long time to repair. I would expect that mainly all the small bdes got mauled and the divisions still work but it was quite a blow.
However, unless I'm mistaken Christmas Is was still in good supply. Andy took the base so quickly by main force that there was no need to pound supply to zero via a siege.
Pax
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Andy admitted that this was a worse trashing than he hoped / expected!
Still got almost 3000 AV at Moulmein; will evacuate a burned out division (120 AV left) and replace it with a tank and an inf div within 5 days.
In total another 5000 AV available reserves in theatres nearby but it will trickle in over the next month and I also need plenty units to guard the railroad ESE of Moulmein.
- A counter attak is out considering Allied firepower advantages, airpower and numerical superiority....perhaps bombardments, will try one.
Trying to rest the airforce to build up reserves and new fighters, so unless there's something significant to be gained...
Need to replace lots of Tojo's before I'm happy!-)
Yep, still had 44k supplies at Xmas Island [:(] Down from ca 52 since the beginning of the siege.
Moulmein

Still got almost 3000 AV at Moulmein; will evacuate a burned out division (120 AV left) and replace it with a tank and an inf div within 5 days.
In total another 5000 AV available reserves in theatres nearby but it will trickle in over the next month and I also need plenty units to guard the railroad ESE of Moulmein.
- A counter attak is out considering Allied firepower advantages, airpower and numerical superiority....perhaps bombardments, will try one.
Trying to rest the airforce to build up reserves and new fighters, so unless there's something significant to be gained...
Need to replace lots of Tojo's before I'm happy!-)
Yep, still had 44k supplies at Xmas Island [:(] Down from ca 52 since the beginning of the siege.
Moulmein

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RE: Christmas Island falls!
I think the biggest factor that I have seen with a shock attack over a river is that the defender must be disrupted or you are going to really suffer unless you have overwhelming odds. The only option is to pound the defender with air power for a week or so before attempting. I have found that if the enemy is disrupted then an Allied army can get over with about even losses. If not then disaster looms. But that seems right too.
Note that the attacker in this case was disrupted. That was going to hurt.
Note that the attacker in this case was disrupted. That was going to hurt.
I am the Holy Roman Emperor and am above grammar.
Sigismund of Luxemburg
Sigismund of Luxemburg
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Canandians in Burma!
16th Canadian Brigade
Heh.
I would advice some caution on your time frame for Andy's recovery. As someone else stated, the smaller units likely took a disproportionate thrashing compared to the big Divs. Common to see a brigade reduced by 90% while a Div is only reduced by 25%. On the heels of the discussion of how islands can't hold more than 7 days, I would take these results with the same idea in mind.
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Actually, I'm not worried about Moulmein - got enough reinforcements enroute and now we got the Allied army nicely placed in a "safe place" [:'(]
First enemy unit marched north today.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 24, 44
Sub Attacks
Really a lot of subs around Line Islands.
An AD tried to escape and was hit after numerous attacks.
Submarine attack near Palmyra at 163,131
Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru
Allied Ships
SS S-32
AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS S-32
SS S-32 launches 2 torpedoes
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Submarine attack near Palmyra at 163,131
Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru
Allied Ships
SS S-32
AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS S-32
SS S-32 launches 2 torpedoes
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Submarine attack near San Francisco at 214,74
Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 22, and is sunk
Allied Ships
AV Currituck
AKA Artemis
TK Huguenot
TK K.R. Kingsbury
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
xAK William B. Leeds
xAK Richard Moczkowski
xAK Peter Cooper Hewitt
xAK Mary A. Livermore
xAK John W. Foster
xAK Jeremiah M. Rusk
xAK James Devereux
xAK Franz Sigel
xAK Edward Lander
xAK Allen Johnson
xAK Abram S. Hewitt
xAK Defiance
xAK Cape Kildare
DD Morrison
DE England
SS I-4 is sighted by escort
I-4 diving deep ....
DD Morrison fails to find sub and abandons search
DE England fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE England fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE England attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-4 forced to surface!
DD Morrison firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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Submarine attack near Palmyra at 162,130
Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Gabilan
AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS Gabilan
SS Gabilan launches 4 torpedoes
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Air Combat
Lots of air strikes at Moulmein - doesn't make much of an impact.
Our Oscars do a great job sacrificing them so the Frances bombers can get through.
There's an iron bottom sound outside Rangoon now!
Morning Air attack on Taberfane , at 82,117
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 10
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
Airbase supply hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 52,54
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
Spitfire VIII x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
xAK Marcus Daly, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Trevaylor, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Ground Combat
Absolutely no fight left at Xmas; just a mop up of prisoners.
Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 64854 troops, 1400 guns, 1348 vehicles, Assault Value = 2038
Defending force 8077 troops, 49 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 10
Allied adjusted assault: 209
Japanese adjusted defense: 25
Allied assault odds: 8 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
692 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Division
22nd Marine Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
XIV US Corps
V US Amphib Force
1/198th Coast AA Battalion
Defending units:
54th Division
144th Infantry RCT /1
4th Fleet
19th Army
4th Air Division
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Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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Burma & Div
Some good news! Remember the isolated elite division north in Burma?
After marching an arty unit over the "barrier paper border" the division was free and has now marched (fully supplied) south and
I think we should be able to extract it altogether [&o]
Our new subs got radar, the upgrade has provided split torp tubes and more guns.
Our first new APD has arrived as well.
Upgraded a small unit to the new Tony d. It only got drop tanks, no bombs as indicated in the encyclopedia.
Is this an error in the encyclopedia or in the actual ac model? At least the Tony got a decent range with drop tanks but I had hoped it could
carry bombs at shorter range....

First enemy unit marched north today.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 24, 44
Sub Attacks
Really a lot of subs around Line Islands.
An AD tried to escape and was hit after numerous attacks.
Submarine attack near Palmyra at 163,131
Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru
Allied Ships
SS S-32
AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS S-32
SS S-32 launches 2 torpedoes
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Submarine attack near Palmyra at 163,131
Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru
Allied Ships
SS S-32
AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS S-32
SS S-32 launches 2 torpedoes
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Submarine attack near San Francisco at 214,74
Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 22, and is sunk
Allied Ships
AV Currituck
AKA Artemis
TK Huguenot
TK K.R. Kingsbury
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
xAK William B. Leeds
xAK Richard Moczkowski
xAK Peter Cooper Hewitt
xAK Mary A. Livermore
xAK John W. Foster
xAK Jeremiah M. Rusk
xAK James Devereux
xAK Franz Sigel
xAK Edward Lander
xAK Allen Johnson
xAK Abram S. Hewitt
xAK Defiance
xAK Cape Kildare
DD Morrison
DE England
SS I-4 is sighted by escort
I-4 diving deep ....
DD Morrison fails to find sub and abandons search
DE England fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE England fails to find sub, continues to search...
DE England attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-4 forced to surface!
DD Morrison firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
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Submarine attack near Palmyra at 162,130
Japanese Ships
AD Shintoku Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Gabilan
AD Shintoku Maru is sighted by SS Gabilan
SS Gabilan launches 4 torpedoes
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Air Combat
Lots of air strikes at Moulmein - doesn't make much of an impact.
Our Oscars do a great job sacrificing them so the Frances bombers can get through.
There's an iron bottom sound outside Rangoon now!
Morning Air attack on Taberfane , at 82,117
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 1
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 10
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
Airbase supply hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 52,54
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 16
Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 3
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2
Spitfire Vc Trop x 1
Spitfire VIII x 4
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
xAK Marcus Daly, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Trevaylor, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Ground Combat
Absolutely no fight left at Xmas; just a mop up of prisoners.
Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 64854 troops, 1400 guns, 1348 vehicles, Assault Value = 2038
Defending force 8077 troops, 49 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 10
Allied adjusted assault: 209
Japanese adjusted defense: 25
Allied assault odds: 8 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
692 casualties reported
Squads: 56 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Assaulting units:
37th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Division
22nd Marine Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
XIV US Corps
V US Amphib Force
1/198th Coast AA Battalion
Defending units:
54th Division
144th Infantry RCT /1
4th Fleet
19th Army
4th Air Division
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Japanese Unit(s) Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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Burma & Div
Some good news! Remember the isolated elite division north in Burma?
After marching an arty unit over the "barrier paper border" the division was free and has now marched (fully supplied) south and
I think we should be able to extract it altogether [&o]
Our new subs got radar, the upgrade has provided split torp tubes and more guns.
Our first new APD has arrived as well.
Upgraded a small unit to the new Tony d. It only got drop tanks, no bombs as indicated in the encyclopedia.
Is this an error in the encyclopedia or in the actual ac model? At least the Tony got a decent range with drop tanks but I had hoped it could
carry bombs at shorter range....

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RE: Christmas Island falls!
If you de-activate drop tanks and then go to Aircraft data, you will see the load out w/o drop tanks. Neat feature!
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Yes, no drop tanks but the menu doesn't mention 250kg bombs either...so wondered about whether it really got ordnance at normal range or not!

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RE: Christmas Island falls!
Must be a database change that I have not upgraded to. My version looks like this w/o drop tanks.


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RE: Christmas Island falls!
Ki-61 used same racks for both bombs and drop tanks, so if the game has it right it cant carry them both. In real life they often carried a drop tank in the other and a bomb in the other rack...
RE: Christmas Island falls!
As you can see from the screen in this post, no bomb payload...
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 25, 44
Sub Attacks
Midgets are good at finishing cripples if nothing else!
Submarine attack near Rangoon at 54,54
Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-50
Allied Ships
xAK Trevaylor, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Trevaylor is sighted by SSX Ha-50
SSX Ha-50 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Trevaylor
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Air Combat
Morning Air attack on Terapo , at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
Kittyhawk IV x 3
Spitfire VIII x 9
Kittyhawk IV x 5
P-39N1 Airacobra x 5
P-40N5 Warhawk x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 10 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Terapo , at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 27
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
Spitfire VIII x 9
Kittyhawk IV x 3
P-39N1 Airacobra x 5
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Terapo at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 10
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-38J Lightning x 2
P-39N1 Airacobra x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CL Dauntless
LCI-436, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14
Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Terapo at 96,127
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 7
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 3
Spitfire VIII x 2
P-39N1 Airacobra x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 5 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 45
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 29
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 66268 troops, 1402 guns, 1374 vehicles, Assault Value = 2071
Defending force 7384 troops, 30 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
Allied adjusted assault: 107
Japanese adjusted defense: 13
Allied assault odds: 8 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
570 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
43rd Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
22nd Marine Regiment
1st Marine Division
37th Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
V US Amphib Force
XIV US Corps
1/198th Coast AA Battalion
Defending units:
54th Division
4th Fleet
19th Army
4th Air Division
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54th Division Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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Div Stats
Some heavy fighting in the air today, had set up 60+ naval bombers in New Guinea but they all refused to fly...again!
Only sweepers and some low altitude Jills went in and hit an LCA instead of the cruiser.
Here is the 54th Div cadre safely at Canton Island. Will evacuate to Marianas and rebuild there.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 25, 44
Sub Attacks
Midgets are good at finishing cripples if nothing else!
Submarine attack near Rangoon at 54,54
Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-50
Allied Ships
xAK Trevaylor, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Trevaylor is sighted by SSX Ha-50
SSX Ha-50 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Trevaylor
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Air Combat
Morning Air attack on Terapo , at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 106 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 3
Kittyhawk IV x 3
Spitfire VIII x 9
Kittyhawk IV x 5
P-39N1 Airacobra x 5
P-40N5 Warhawk x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 10 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Terapo , at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 27
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
Spitfire VIII x 9
Kittyhawk IV x 3
P-39N1 Airacobra x 5
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-39N1 Airacobra: 1 destroyed
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x N1K1-J George sweeping at 30000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Terapo at 96,127
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 10
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-38J Lightning x 2
P-39N1 Airacobra x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CL Dauntless
LCI-436, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
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Morning Air attack on Dobo , at 83,116
Weather in hex: Severe storms
Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 3
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14
Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Terapo at 96,127
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 7
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 3
Spitfire VIII x 2
P-39N1 Airacobra x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 5 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on Palmyra , at 170,133
Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 45
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 29
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
9 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Ground Combat
Ground combat at Christmas Island (174,141)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 66268 troops, 1402 guns, 1374 vehicles, Assault Value = 2071
Defending force 7384 troops, 30 guns, 43 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
Allied adjusted assault: 107
Japanese adjusted defense: 13
Allied assault odds: 8 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
570 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
43rd Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
93rd Infantry Division
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
22nd Marine Regiment
1st Marine Division
37th Infantry Division
3rd Marine Division
V US Amphib Force
XIV US Corps
1/198th Coast AA Battalion
Defending units:
54th Division
4th Fleet
19th Army
4th Air Division
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54th Division Wiped Out at Christmas Island by attrition!!!
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Div Stats
Some heavy fighting in the air today, had set up 60+ naval bombers in New Guinea but they all refused to fly...again!
Only sweepers and some low altitude Jills went in and hit an LCA instead of the cruiser.
Here is the 54th Div cadre safely at Canton Island. Will evacuate to Marianas and rebuild there.

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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Heh, and once again sorties are almost equal. Kinda hard to figure out what side have more planes on-map. Maybe now just began full releasing phase for Europe Invasion?
But in the case of last battle at Christmas it can be fault of beta changes, where support is targetted only 10% of the time.
Try setting airgroup mission to some ground attack. It seems some types of mission do not show ordnance, if it is not used. Few days ago I thought, that there is something wrong wth NATEs, after new patch, but I have discovered, that planes in Training mission do not list bombs.ORIGINAL: PzB
Yes, no drop tanks but the menu doesn't mention 250kg bombs either...so wondered about whether it really got ordnance at normal range or not!
How were you able to extract guns from Christmas?Here is the 54th Div cadre safely at Canton Island. Will evacuate to Marianas and rebuild there.
That is mainly the fault of combat model. It seems that forts are falling too fast, if enemy have too much AV superiority. It probably should be possible only to reduce forts by Combat Engineers, or really high ratio, surely more than 2:1.ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
I think you're missing my point. Walk this through, if the best defended island can be taken in 7 days, what does that mean in the game? Doesn't matter how it is taken, simply that IJ cannot hold any island for more than 7 days.
But in the case of last battle at Christmas it can be fault of beta changes, where support is targetted only 10% of the time.
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Been a few quiet turns, we're almost into May 44....
Nothing special to report.
The 54th Div had replacements ON when arriving on Canton Island, think it received some guns there.
Otherwise I airlifted them with the large Emily transport planes.
Will try out the Tony d as soon as the "test" group is ready, still going through initial preps to get all ac ready.
Soon I will also upgrade a unit to the new Jack model. With 180 Franks in the pools I'm finally getting a surplus and can start upgrading
Tojo frontline units.
Here is a screen of Moulmein:
Just a few LCU rotations left and in a day or two we should be at 4000+ AV.
With a total of 2000 AV on the road to the south, 2000 AV moving into Chiang Mai and 2000 AV resting and rebuilding in Bangkok - Singapore
we have ample amount of troops at our disposal in this theatre. Future reinforcements will tricklet into SRA, Marianas, Phillippines in that succession.
Within 2 months we will receive our last carrier reinforcements and start production of the Grace.
I'm not planning on any major actions unless forced to before another 4 months has passed, by then we will be at full Combined Fleet strength.
Our new subs are arriving with radar, will build new flotillas and only deploy them when there is reasonable chance for success.
Does anyone have experience with radar equipped Jap subs, are they more efficient than those without?

Nothing special to report.
The 54th Div had replacements ON when arriving on Canton Island, think it received some guns there.
Otherwise I airlifted them with the large Emily transport planes.
Will try out the Tony d as soon as the "test" group is ready, still going through initial preps to get all ac ready.
Soon I will also upgrade a unit to the new Jack model. With 180 Franks in the pools I'm finally getting a surplus and can start upgrading
Tojo frontline units.
Here is a screen of Moulmein:
Just a few LCU rotations left and in a day or two we should be at 4000+ AV.
With a total of 2000 AV on the road to the south, 2000 AV moving into Chiang Mai and 2000 AV resting and rebuilding in Bangkok - Singapore
we have ample amount of troops at our disposal in this theatre. Future reinforcements will tricklet into SRA, Marianas, Phillippines in that succession.
Within 2 months we will receive our last carrier reinforcements and start production of the Grace.
I'm not planning on any major actions unless forced to before another 4 months has passed, by then we will be at full Combined Fleet strength.
Our new subs are arriving with radar, will build new flotillas and only deploy them when there is reasonable chance for success.
Does anyone have experience with radar equipped Jap subs, are they more efficient than those without?

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"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Christmas Island falls!
Looks to me like you've stabilized the Burma/Thailand front, which is a big deal as it's the only substantial progress Andy's made and you're almost halfway to '45. Christmas Island was unfortunate, but it's a long way from there to Tokyo (hell, it's a long way from there to the Marshalls).






