The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[Erkki]

From this same AAR one can find reports of GreyJoy's own naval bombardment runs against Japanese islands where troops are behind forts(unlike the poor commandos who had just landed on the Japanese-held island that got bombarded by that 5-BB TF, and survived with 60 losses with no one squad destroyed in neither bombardment or the land action that followed). GreyJoy's typical bombardment TF seems to be 2 or 3 cruisers, and they usually get 10+ planes and 100+ Japs killed, easily... I dont think those commandos even had the 80mm DP guns the Japanese base forces have either.

Probably just an odd result.

[JeffroK]

NO, bombarding a well recce'd and heavily stacked airbase is far easier than an Infantry regiment in foxholes or using the natural terrain to their advantage. (Plus I think the FOW on bombardment of airbases exagerates by 200-500%)

Even the support troops at a base have to be reasonably close to the facilities or else they would be inefficient.

[GreyJoy]

The difference is that when you bombed the enemy units at your own base results are owfull...i got the very same bad results when bombing his troops at Tulagi... The naval bombings are effective only when u bomb enemy bases (and the troops in them)

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Well done in the Solomons. Watch him in India. His latest moves seem odd, even random, but I smell he's up to something. He isn't countermarching there for no reason.

I know...but i still don't understand what he's up to...i really don't get it...the only reason i could think is that he has found a way to use the strange and terrible road system around multan against me...but i don't understand how!!!....yet...

[GreyJoy]

Jan 23, 24 1944

Another sleepy turn...

Our II US Corp has arrived at Tulagi. Will attack the 22,000 japanese tomorrow, supported by the whole CV fleet and by 100 2Es that will bomb the bastards!

In India it seems that he's abbandoning Lahore...no more fighters present there... i keep advancing...very carefully....

[GreyJoy]

Munda is growing fast, while support troops are enroute for Panggoe (base forces, Eng and CD units).... As soon as we wipe out what remains of the jap Tulagi invasion force, Tulagi will become our major naval base in the Solomons, with Ndeni as a backwater...

[GreyJoy]

Jan 24, 25 1944
 
At Tulagi...despite being isolated since Jan 43...despite being out of supply, out of heavy equipment...and despite the incredible amount of lead we have thrown at them in these months and today...the jap 2nd Army keep on fighting like a pack of lions...
 
 
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 24, 44
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Night Naval bombardment of Tulagi at 114,137
 
Allied Ships
      BB Mississippi
      BB New Mexico
      BB Idaho
      DMS Elliot
      DMS Perry
      DMS Lamberton
      DMS Southard
      APD Sands
      APD Humphreys
      APD Crane
      APD Crosby
      APD Gregory
      APD Manley
      APD Paul Jones
      APD Fox
      APD John D. Edwards
      APD Bulmer
 
Japanese ground losses:
      49 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Mississippi
BB Mississippi firing at 5th Division
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB New Mexico
BB New Mexico firing at 38th Division
BB Idaho firing at 5th Division
DMS Elliot firing at 38th Division
DMS Perry firing at 5th Division
DMS Lamberton firing at 5th Division
DMS Southard firing at 5th Division
APD Sands firing at 5th Division
APD Humphreys firing at 5th Division
APD Crane firing at 5th Division
APD Crosby firing at 5th Division
APD Gregory firing at 5th Division
APD Manley firing at 5th Division
APD Paul Jones firing at 5th Division
APD Fox firing at 38th Division
APD John D. Edwards firing at 5th Division
APD Bulmer firing at 5th Division
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 90th Infantry Regiment, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
 
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 4
      B-25C Mitchell x 28
      B-25D1 Mitchell x 44
      P-38G Lightning x 7
      P-40K Warhawk x 2
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 77
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
      103 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      12 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      12 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      16 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      16 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
               Ground Attack:  6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
 
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
 
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 2
      Spitfire Vc Trop x 7
      B-25C Mitchell x 14
      P-40K Warhawk x 2
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 16
 
 
No Allied losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      14 x B-25C Mitchell bombing from 11000 feet
               Ground Attack:  6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
 
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 38th Div /4 ...
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 38th Division, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
 
Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 6
      Spitfire Vc Trop x 6
      P-38G Lightning x 3
      P-40K Warhawk x 4
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 16
      SB2C-1C Helldiver x 23
 
 
No Allied losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       3 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 4000' *
               Ground Attack:  1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       5 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 2000' *
               Ground Attack:  1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      15 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 3000' *
               Ground Attack:  1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Ichiki Det. , at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
 
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
      P-38G Lightning x 3
      P-40K Warhawk x 4
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 89
      SBD-5 Dauntless x 28
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
      SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
      12 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      13 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      11 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 5th Division, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
 
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 2
      Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
      P-38G Lightning x 7
      P-40K Warhawk x 4
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 16
      SB2C-1C Helldiver x 23
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
      7 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       7 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 3000' *
               Ground Attack:  1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       1 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 4000' *
               Ground Attack:  1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      15 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 2000' *
               Ground Attack:  1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on 4th Division, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 8
      Spitfire Vc Trop x 9
      P-38G Lightning x 5
      P-40K Warhawk x 4
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 216
      SB2C-1C Helldiver x 55
      SBD-5 Dauntless x 113
      TBF-1 Avenger x 150
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
      SB2C-1C Helldiver: 4 damaged
      SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 damaged
      TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
      93 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      17 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      14 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       6 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb,  2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
      16 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      16 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      18 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
      12 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       8 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       8 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       8 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       8 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
       8 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      10 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      11 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb,  2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
      11 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb,  2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
      10 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       7 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      12 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       8 x SB2C-1C Helldiver releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
 
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 4th Div /62 ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking Ichiki Det.  ...
Also attacking 90th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 52nd Infantry Bde /1 ...
Also attacking 2nd Area Army ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on 5th Division, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 2
      Spitfire Vc Trop x 5
      P-38G Lightning x 6
      P-40K Warhawk x 2
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 39
      SBD-5 Dauntless x 41
 
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese ground losses:
      7 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      14 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       8 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       2 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       6 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       7 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       4 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on 36th Infantry Regiment, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 2
      Kittyhawk III x 10
      A-24B Banshee x 11
      P-38G Lightning x 2
      P-40K Warhawk x 6
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 12
      SBD-5 Dauntless x 24
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
      A-24B Banshee: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
      20 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       5 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       1 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       1 x A-24B Banshee releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
       7 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      11 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
      10 x A-24B Banshee releasing from 3000'
               Ground Attack:  1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
 
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
Also attacking 36th Infantry Rgt /10 ...
Also attacking 5th Div /7 ...
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Area Army, at 114,137 (Tulagi)
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes
 
 
Allied aircraft
      Spitfire VIII x 4
      Beaufort VIII x 22
      Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
      P-38G Lightning x 7
      P-40K Warhawk x 4
      F4U-1A Corsair x 10
      F6F-3 Hellcat x 12
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
      Beaufort VIII: 1 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
      4 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      22 x Beaufort VIII bombing from 14000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Ground combat at Tulagi (114,137)
 
Allied Deliberate attack
 
Attacking force 42946 troops, 738 guns, 1163 vehicles, Assault Value = 1448
 
Defending force 15127 troops, 68 guns, 119 vehicles, Assault Value = 320
 
Allied adjusted assault: 1208
 
Japanese adjusted defense: 103
 
Allied assault odds: 11 to 1
 
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
 supply(-)
Attacker:
 
Japanese ground losses:
      2982 casualties reported
         Squads: 106 destroyed, 63 disabled
         Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 36 disabled
         Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      1326 casualties reported
         Squads: 9 destroyed, 110 disabled
         Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 57 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
      Guns lost 38 (1 destroyed, 37 disabled)
 
 
Assaulting units:
    627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
    1st USMC Corps Tank Battalion
    138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
    159th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
    24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
    24th Infantry Division
    637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
    25th Infantry Division
    1/151st Combat Engineer Battalion
    5th Marine Def Bn /2
    804th Engineer Aviation Battalion
    4th Field Artillery Battalion
    7th USA Defense Battalion
    Wake (Det.) Def Bn /2
    I US Corps
    Seventh US Fleet
    3rd USA Defense Battalion
    4th USA Defense Battalion
    179th USAAF Base Force
    139th USA  Base Force
    102nd USN Base Force
    14th Marine Def Bn /2
    96th Coast AA Regiment
    115th USAAF Base Force
    7th Marine Defense Battalion
    2nd USA Defense Battalion
    32nd Aviation Base Force
    369th Coast AA Regiment
    South Pacific
    8th USN SeaBees /2
    223rd Field Artillery Battalion
    220th USN Base Force /2
 
Defending units:
    4th Div /62
    Ichiki Det.
    36th Infantry Rgt /10
    38th Div /4
    90th Infantry Regiment
    5th Div /7
    2nd Area Army
    52nd Infantry Bde /1
 
 
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 25, 44
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Ground combat at Tulagi (114,137)
 
Allied Deliberate attack
 
Attacking force 44628 troops, 738 guns, 1348 vehicles, Assault Value = 1337
 
Defending force 12582 troops, 67 guns, 119 vehicles, Assault Value = 176
 
Allied adjusted assault: 602
 
Japanese adjusted defense: 37
 
Allied assault odds: 16 to 1
 
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
 
Japanese ground losses:
      3016 casualties reported
         Squads: 189 destroyed, 21 disabled
         Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 127 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)
      Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      313 casualties reported
         Squads: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
 
 
Assaulting units:
    24th Infantry Division
    138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
    627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
    159th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
    24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
    1st USMC Corps Tank Battalion
    637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
    25th Infantry Division
    1/151st Combat Engineer Battalion
    Seventh US Fleet
    5th Marine Def Bn /2
    I US Corps
    3rd USA Defense Battalion
    32nd Aviation Base Force
    South Pacific
    179th USAAF Base Force
    14th Marine Def Bn /2
    223rd Field Artillery Battalion
    8th USN SeaBees /2
    369th Coast AA Regiment
    Wake (Det.) Def Bn /2
    7th Marine Defense Battalion
    139th USA  Base Force
    115th USAAF Base Force
    2nd USA Defense Battalion
    102nd USN Base Force
    4th Field Artillery Battalion
    7th USA Defense Battalion
    804th Engineer Aviation Battalion
    96th Coast AA Regiment
    4th USA Defense Battalion
    220th USN Base Force /2
 
Defending units:
    90th Infantry Regiment
    4th Div /62
    38th Div /4
    5th Div /7
    Ichiki Det.
    52nd Infantry Bde /1
    2nd Area Army
    36th Infantry Rgt /10
 
 

[ny59giants]

Japanese ground losses:
     3016 casualties reported
        Squads: 189 destroyed, 21 disabled
        Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 127 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
     313 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled

There is the good news!!

[beppi]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Japanese ground losses:
     3016 casualties reported
        Squads: 189 destroyed, 21 disabled
        Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 127 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
     Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
     313 casualties reported
        Squads: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled

There is the good news!!

Aye, and do not be afraid to use shock attack next time. Helps a little bit to wipe out the remaining troops. I would not wait too long (to reduce fatigue of the own troops) just shock next turn. Hit them again a little bit with carriers and whatevery you have. But with the 189 squads killed i would not expect an adjusted AV of over 150 - 200. So shock clear the Hex and celibrate

[GreyJoy]

Jan 26, 27 1944

We hit them again with a deliberate...and we destroyed 4 units...wiping out at least 6000 japanese...tomorrow the base will be clear and Tulagi will finally be liberated!

The news of the day is that Rader is evacuating everything up to Dehli...Jodpur...Lahore...Dehli too... no troops left...[X(]

We'll try to advance asap...Rader left a little unit of 180 men in front of Lahore...we'll bomb it to dust tomorrow and, while the chindits will be paradropped at Lahore and in the base south of it...4 divisions are ready to be strat moved there from Multan...

Don't really understand what Rader is up to...evacuating everything!?!?!?...well, we'll push forward...he cannot evacuate 500k men with a single naval trip...

Now i fear where Rader wants to place those 500k men that were garrisoning northern India....





In yellow the paradrops and the strat move planned...in red the advance of my Eastern Army... i think Rader simply wanted to gain some time...he called me to come out of Multan so that i could have not strat moved my whole army on his heels....

[princep01]

Reek, you see. It's one thing to take reasonable precautions in an advance, but it is entirely another thing to be a scaredy cat. Go Forth!

And good work on Tulagi. I understand the reason for the delay, but its a proud day to send those interlopers sent to visit their ancestors.

princep Bolton

[GreyJoy]

Jan 28, 29, 30, 31 1944


Call me fool but i don't get Rader's strategy.... He moved everything back to Kohima (northern Burma!!!!).... my paras conquered Lahore and Dehli, while our troops are strat moving to occupy these key positions... not a single air mission conducted by the japs to interdict my movements...[&:]

Seems that Rader wants to leave the whole India in my hands and move the whole front back to Burma...

Well...we keep on advancing.... now, while some tanks units will secure Ralpawindi and northern India, the bulk of my army is moving to Dehli, where we're gonna organize again and get ready for the next jump...

In The Solomons, we changed our strategy...we will unload our Invasion forces at Panggoe and we'll march to Chiuseul Bay....
We are moving seabees with barges from Rekata to Panggoe in order to start building the base and repair the damage...the KB attacked our barges and sunk nearly a whole Seabee regiment...suffering 20 planes shot down in the process, for no loss on our side...

Tulagi has been completely liberated...22,000 japanese have been killed and now Tulagi is happily becoming our main base in the region...

In NG our NewZelanders arrived at Terapo...emptied by the japs...we will conquer the base tomorrow and we'll start building it asap...

another sub lost in the DEI....to his dreaded air asw....



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Rekata Bay at 112,133

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
     A6M5 Zero x 18
     D4Y3 Judy x 15



Allied aircraft
     P-38H Lightning x 11
     P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 9
     F4U-1A Corsair x 11
     F6F-3 Hellcat x 3


Japanese aircraft losses
     A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed
     D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
     P-38H Lightning: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
     LCT-132, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
     LCT-131, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
     LCT-138, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
     LCT-139, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
     LCT-134, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
     407 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 15 disabled
        Engineers: 14 destroyed, 22 disabled
     Vehicles lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)

[Canoerebel]

I recall somebody suggesting several weeks ago that once the Japanese retreat started in India it wouldn't stop until Calcutta and the line of bases from Kilimo to Ledo.

That's just a natural thing, because once an IJ player decides the jig is up, he faces the daunting task of having enough shipping to evacuate hundreds of thousands of troops. That takes alot of shipping and therefore alot of time. The IJ player therefore becomes a victim of the yips - his imagination playinc havoc with him as he imagines his massive army getting isolated and then destroyed.

In that situation, the Allied player only need create the appearance of threat to "feed" the stampede and get it going even quicker.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I recall somebody suggesting several weeks ago that once the Japanese retreat started in India it wouldn't stop until Calcutta and the line of bases from Kilimo to Ledo.

That's just a natural thing, because once an IJ player decides the jig is up, he faces the daunting task of having enough shipping to evacuate hundreds of thousands of troops. That takes alot of shipping and therefore alot of time. The IJ player therefore becomes a victim of the yips - his imagination playinc havoc with him as he imagines his massive army getting isolated and then destroyed.

In that situation, the Allied player only need create the appearance of threat to "feed" the stampede and get it going even quicker.

Yup CR, you were right!

My point is that Rader didn't need to do that...not in these proportion... Multan was a strong point...he could have bottled me there forever...at least untill i had a massive force of B-29s to smash his AF there no matter what kind of opposition... My estimate is that Rader could have hold multan well untill late 44...
Now, under the present conditions, India will be ours within the end of Feb...and Intel tells me that at Scoodra and Diego there are still heavy japanese forces...that will remain isolated... really uncomprehensible for me.

Moreover...why abbandon Indian HI? Why expose the Burma Oilfields to my 4Es?...

Also i don't think anymore that this is a trap...really nothing is left north of Cowpore...and even from there his troops are leaving...I reconned Bombay the last turn... 10 units...there were 20... and those 10 are also moving (arrows)...

Within the next turn we'll be at Dehli with 2000 AVs...

Now my concern is that part of those 500k men will be moved by Rader to DEI...and i'm pretty sure it's gonna be a harsh fight for southern DEI and to accomplish my plans in Northern Oz (Darwin) and Ambon area...

But hey, the fact that India is an open theatre again is a GREAT news!!!!! one year and a half of occupation...and now, finally we can celebrate our freedom again!

[:D]

[SBD]

Jan 28, 29, 30, 31 1944

Call me fool but i don't get Rader's strategy.... He moved everything back to Kohima (northern Burma!!!!).... my paras conquered Lahore and Dehli, while our troops are strat moving to occupy these key positions... not a single air mission conducted by the japs to interdict my movements...

Seems that Rader wants to leave the whole India in my hands and move the whole front back to Burma...

Well...we keep on advancing.... now, while some tanks units will secure Ralpawindi and northern India, the bulk of my army is moving to Dehli, where we're gonna organize again and get ready for the next jump...

I think Rader may be responding to the clock. He sees that the game's into '44 already & in 11 short months it will be '45. He has experience in his other game playing against the late war allies & knows what they can do. So he feels uncomfortable leaving a large # of troops in a forward position that could get flanked. Therefore he's consolidating his position.

Just my guess at what he's thinking. Of course there's also a chance that there could be some sort of ruse involved.

[Canoerebel]

It's not a trap.  He's stampeding for the rear, though "stamped" is probably too strong a word to use, for the stampede is intentional and controlled.
 
He's going to reconfigure his lines and attend to perceived weak points.  He'll establish a strong line in Burma, Malaya, and Sumatra, and then place the balance of his troops at central interior locations as a rapid response force to deal with any Allied attacks.
 
If your house rules or political points aren't a problem, you can flood Burma overland and probably wage a successful campaign there.  But what about the balance of your army in India?  Where do they go?  Do you try to open a new front by invading somewhere, or do you need to begin a quick transfer of troops to Aden and thence East Coast and thence West Coast.
 
Decide if you want a major commitment of troops to the Pacific.  If so, get the logistical train underway ASAP.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: SBD

Jan 28, 29, 30, 31 1944

Call me fool but i don't get Rader's strategy.... He moved everything back to Kohima (northern Burma!!!!).... my paras conquered Lahore and Dehli, while our troops are strat moving to occupy these key positions... not a single air mission conducted by the japs to interdict my movements...

Seems that Rader wants to leave the whole India in my hands and move the whole front back to Burma...

Well...we keep on advancing.... now, while some tanks units will secure Ralpawindi and northern India, the bulk of my army is moving to Dehli, where we're gonna organize again and get ready for the next jump...

I think Rader may be responding to the clock. He sees that the game's into '44 already & in 11 short months it will be '45. He has experience in his other game playing against the late war allies & knows what they can do. So he feels uncomfortable leaving a large # of troops in a forward position that could get flanked. Therefore he's consolidating his position.

Just my guess at what he's thinking. Of course there's also a chance that there could be some sort of ruse involved.

Yes, in a certain way i think you're right...his other game seems to be influencing his moves a lot!

Well, is this phsyicological effect is going to help my advance...so good! [:)]

Here's a situation map in NG and Solomons...

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It's not a trap.  He's stampeding for the rear, though "stamped" is probably too strong a word to use, for the stampede is intentional and controlled.

He's going to reconfigure his lines and attend to perceived weak points.  He'll establish a strong line in Burma, Malaya, and Sumatra, and then place the balance of his troops at central interior locations as a rapid response force to deal with any Allied attacks.

If your house rules or political points aren't a problem, you can flood Burma overland and probably wage a successful campaign there.  But what about the balance of your army in India?  Where do they go?  Do you try to open a new front by invading somewhere, or do you need to begin a quick transfer of troops to Aden and thence East Coast and thence West Coast.

Decide if you want a major commitment of troops to the Pacific.  If so, get the logistical train underway ASAP.

No, CR, i've already thought about that. My Eastern Army will remain in India. Will liberate India first and then will try to push for Burma. I want him to remain committed there so that the americans can have a chance in Southern DEI and north western NG...

Anyway, we have HR for crossing borders... i need to change the HQ to move restricted command LCUs out of India...but the Army which will be able to move is strong enough i think...something like 7500 AVs...i haven't moved any units to the pacific or Oz, so everything i got, plus the emergency reinforcements, is available!

[Canoerebel]

That's why I said "if your house rules and political points" aren't a problem. 
 
Are you sure you want to commit to a Burma campaign?  In the first place, you're not going to tie down the bulk of his army.  You'll end up commiting more to that campaign than he will.  So if that is your objective, you've lost the battle long before it even begins.
 
You can win in Burma, but to do so you have to commit far more than he will, and it wil take you at least a year.  Do you want to still be fighting in Burma come New Year's Day 1945?
 
Vis the situation in India at the moment, you can win the grand strategic battle only by quickly invading someplace before rader can reinforce (and I don't think you have the shipping or the firepower to do this) or by switching targets to the Pacific and moving so fast that you get ahead of him.  It will take him a LONG time to retrieve his fast India army and get it into the Pacific.  You can get ahead of him if you expeditiously move yours via strat movement to Aden then East Coast then West Coast, and then set up the shipping to invade him in overwhelming numbers somewhere he isn't expecting the onslaught.  NOPac would be my first idea, but there are others.
 
Once you commit to moving east, this chance is lost.  So mull over your options now, before committing to any course of action that will tie you down for the balance of the war.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

That's why I said "if your house rules and political points" aren't a problem. 

Are you sure you want to commit to a Burma campaign?  In the first place, you're not going to tie down the bulk of his army.  You'll end up commiting more to that campaign than he will.  So if that is your objective, you've lost the battle long before it even begins.

You can win in Burma, but to do so you have to commit far more than he will, and it wil take you at least a year.  Do you want to still be fighting in Burma come New Year's Day 1945?

Vis the situation in India at the moment, you can win the grand strategic battle only by quickly invading someplace before rader can reinforce (and I don't think you have the shipping or the firepower to do this) or by switching targets to the Pacific and moving so fast that you get ahead of him.  It will take him a LONG time to retrieve his fast India army and get it into the Pacific.  You can get ahead of him if you expeditiously move yours via strat movement to Aden then East Coast then West Coast, and then set up the shipping to invade him in overwhelming numbers somewhere he isn't expecting the onslaught.  NOPac would be my first idea, but there are others.

Once you commit to moving east, this chance is lost.  So mull over your options now, before committing to any course of action that will tie you down for the balance of the war.

I get your point CR...however it's too late now to change all my plans back again. My shippings are getting ready for the Northern Oz operation and my troops are moving there too...the idea to open a third front in the pacific is way beyond my capabilities right now...and i don't wanna strip too much from India...wanna keep Rader busy in Burma so that he cannot move everything to SRA and DEI....the whole indian effort will simply be a way to keep him busy there in order to give my marines a chance to get a foothold in southern DEI.