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The #1 priority for strategic bombing is the most modern fighter factories. Once their numbers are cut down, then the rest will be easy pickings.

That's exactly what i think NY59...i can fight the second jap generation planes. What i don't wanna fight are those dreaded new toys...and i don't have many months before Shidens and stuff like that comes around

Shiden = N1K_-J series. Shinden = J7W. [;)] I dont think you'll meet Shindens any soon unless if Rader can accelerate them by 1½ years...
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I've only played as Japan in PBEM, but against the AI in a test game I managed to get the Kuriles and Hokkaido once. After weathering the storm of waves of planes coming over for several months, the game was basically over. All other theaters became immediately irrelevant. Of course the AI did not know that. Rader will, and should bring EVERYTHING back.

That shouldn't change the outcome, but it'll make for interesting reading!

I'm waiting for your next post to be ...

'And here is the screenshot of the British invasion forces landing in Oosthaven! We could only manage 8 Divisions and 5 Armour units, and they've been travelling on AKLs from Cape Town via Perth for the last nine months. It should be enough to conquest the base though.'
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Congratulations GreyJoy a well extecuted coup de main [&o]. There were a lot of AARs where people talked about invasions of Hokkaido but i cannot remember that it was really done.

Overall i would almost say that you already sealed the fate of japan. Yes there will be fierce fighting but with your invasion of multiple bases you created a strong point which will be almost impossible to take. Bihoro will be the coup de grace of your operation. You already dropped a well composed force (good job) which includes everything you need to get the base up and running and especially to defend that base. And with your 10 divisions there it is close to impossible to lose that base again. There will be fierce fighting, especially for the control of the airspace and to keep the base supplied (which might not be neccesary if you really dump a lot of stuff there).

As you already mentioned your plan to retreat your invasion forces after the successful invasion. As a little sidenote. Sometimes some ships of an amphib invasion TF take a turn more to unload the remaining supply. So check if you have already empty ships in your invasion TFs and put them in a new TF and let them retreat. I think the main focus right now should be to get your main assets out of combat range as quickly as possible. If the unload works smooth, that trick is not neccesary.

And good luck for your future fight there, will be some hard weeks until you break the Japanese air forces.

Ahh and as a little request, could you please post a combat report of Bihoro ?




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of course all other theaters are now irrelevant....the only thing GreyJoy will have to decide is whether he'd like to go for the coup de grace and invade the HI at some point - or whether he is happy with bombing Japan to dust!

if he wants to invade Japan itself he will have to accomplish one more thing: making sure that the HI are not heavily reinforced from all other theatres.... - that is VERY difficult - as I have had to experience myself...

so if he just wants to bomb Japan to bits - all he has to do is hold...with the troops at Bihoro (and through the courtesy of rader, of having built up the bases already) the VPs should change very quickly! it matters not what he really bombs... everything has one or the other effect.... even with his night-bombing rule - he should now be able to firebomb the hell out of Japan during the night and target specific factories during the day (collateral damage through firebombing is terrible - destroyed almost all factories at Tokyo in 3 months, bombing it every 3rd day)

the 1A Corsair reaches Tokyo from almost all bases at Hokkaido - the first P-47-Model only from Hokkaido - the others reach further into the HI... so this should be fun :) - real fun :)

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As a person who just enjoys reading the various AARs on this forum, let me just say this in the most positive way possible:

Greyjoy, you magnificent bastard.
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Guys...i'm amazed by your support!!![&o]
 
You are the ones that really made this game possible!
 
Each one of you!
 
Those who only reads, those who ask, and those who suggest and partecipate actively!
 
Thanks. A lot!
 
I'll do my best to make this game the most possible entrateining for you.
 
Now i need to work... (today i almost didn't touch a single paper file on my working desktop [:D]...and i haven't slept well for two nights in a row because of this beloved game[:D])
 
See u later with the next turn
 
Beppi, yes, at Bihoro there hasn't been a bombardment yet so i cannot post anything...tomorrow we'll shock attack and we'll see[8D]
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Now i need to work... (today i almost didn't touch a single paper file on my working desktop ...and i haven't slept well for two nights in a row because of this beloved game)

I haven't slept well because of your game either! And here I am at work continuing to check and comment on this forum instead of doing work!
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And here I am at work continuing to check and comment on this forum instead of doing work!

Don't tell it to me!!!!
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And here I am at work continuing to check and comment on this forum instead of doing work!

Don't tell it to me!!!!

Well, I'm finished teaching for the day, but I could be doing some tidying and grading. It's just that this is much more engaging right now!
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Agreed. Much more entertaining than the grain business in Nov/December timeframe.
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Really, it was GreyJoys only chance at getting a win. Everywhere else would have been stale mated, even if he went to NoPac and started with Parawhateverjima.

Ballsy move sir, well played.
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Ok guys. Orders have been given.
We are moving out everything west of Etorofu, while a HUGE CAP will be granted over Etorofu and Uruppu where my ships are concentrating.
300 between SDBs and TBs will grant that he doesn't try something silly.
When Bihoro will be secured we'll be able to move our ships back in...
 
I think next turn will be really really bloody
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Full reaction later. Here is my immediate comment:

"My god. It's full of stars..." [X(]
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Reading through the last few pages, I just wanted to emphasize something, as I think it clearly shows how well you've learned to read rader:
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, here's the first piece of this story...

[...]

The most obious way was southern DEI…Rader hadn’t fortified yet at that moment(only Timor had a decent garrison) but AFs were built up at maximum everywhere and clearly he was just waiting for me to show some interest in the area before sending in reinforcements…and with all those nice AFs would have been easy for him to overwhelm me in the air whatever i would have brought in.

[...]

…The idea sprung into my mind by the beginning of Nov 1943…"let’s make an enormous feint.!"

Rader is sensitive for what concerns DEI…he has suffered Jzanes’s advance there in his other game and for sure he will be fully prepared to counter that kind of threat….let’s make him believe i’m going there!

[...]

…but the problem was that Rader would have seen that a lot of troops were missing…sooner or later he would have… so I needed to make another feint to make him believe I was going elsewhere.

I ordered to my recon and naval search to stop doing any mission in NOPAC and moved lots of recon planes to NW OZ…also a lot of eng units were moved to build Exmouth, Port Hedland, Broome, Derby etc….from there I started to long range recon Sosarbaja, Makassar, Menado, Kendari, Timor etc etc….and I got Rader’s full attention! He soon started to move lots of reinforcements to this area…LCUs, planes, ships…in 2 months every single base in southern DEI had at least 3 or 4 units…
Then he made his strange move in India by mid Feb 44….and then I was sure he was going to relocate all those forces to DEI-SRA…the more I moved my assets in northern Oz and the more Rader kept on moving his assets to southern DEI…
I think its quite clear, that your feint towards the southern DEI convinced him that you were coming straight for this (apparently) vital position. So he strengthened it with everything he had. This included pulling out of India in order to strengthen that perimeter. This means, he pulled out of the one safe area he had for his HI (now that all the industry in the home islands is suddenly threatened) in order to defend against a threat that was never really there.

This really is an excellent example of reading your opponent and making him dance to your tune.

A huge difference to the start of this game, where you were in pure "crisis-reaction" mode for a long, long time.
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Here is my full reaction. A little background to this post. First, as readers of my AAR know, I usually summarize events by theater but for momentous events switch to first person accounts in honor of the fact that I'm playing Cuttlefish. Second, I have often referred to "Cribtop HQ" in my AAR, (a phrase I stole long ago from Cuttles, ironically), and even invented various branches of Cribtop HQ. One such branch is the Fringe Division, which refers to a US television show called "Fringe" that deals with parallel universes (see link below). My first person accounts are usually far more historical in nature. Consider this entry to have tongue firmly planted in cheek. [:D]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)

Summer 1942.

An undisclosed location in Japan.

Major General Matsuki Arata looked out the window of his office at one of the most unusual vistas in Japan. His eyes saw nothing but a sterile administrative office full of desks occupied by staff officers of the Imperial Japanese Army, with typewriters, logbooks, reports and other typical accoutrements of bureaucracy. What was strange was not the office itself, but rather its purpose. The windowless building buried deep in a mountainside housed the top secret Fringe Division of Cribtop HQ.

The heart of the enterprise was an odd device, rather like a large mirror, that dominated the far wall. Through processes well beyond Matsuki's understanding, which he suspected were made up of equal parts science and mysticism, the device allowed this handpicked group of officers to observe events in parallel universes. While these alternate realities were too numerous to document, a select few held great interest for Imperial Japan's war effort. In these universes, Japan and the West waged conflicts very similar to the current struggle occurring here in what the lab coats referred to as the "Prime Universe." Each week, the Army and Navy traded places observing events elsewhere in the hopes of gaining insights into the probable course of their own war. Much had been learned on occasion, but most of the time this literally unbelievable job was like any other, with slow days playing out more often than events of consequence.

Matsuki was brought out of his reverie by rapid, flustered movement. Every desk was suddenly bereft of occupants as grown men clamored around the screen of the device like schoolchildren jostling for position at recess. Before he could rise to complain of these actions, Matsuki's second in command, Colonel Nakayama Hiroji, burst through the door to his office. "General, please excuse this interruption, but you must come quickly. There has been... An incident. In the universe designated GJvR11009768."

"Colonel Nakayama, I expect you of all people to be able to maintain your composure! There is no doubt that working in the Fringe Division can be odd, even unnerving at times, but that is all the more reason to set a good example for the men," barked Matsuki.

"Sir, please, just follow me. We've never seen anything like this. Also, recall that in this particular universe victory for Japan seemed highly likely. Events here have unfolded as an outlier to the usual course in most realities."

Something in the Colonel's tone caused Matsuki to overlook the total breakdown of decorum. He grudgingly followed his subordinate onto the office floor, mentally rehearsing his reprimand for the entire group.

Then his eyes fixed on the device. Slowly comprehension dawned, and the General's eyes widened as his jaw dropped. This could not be! The implications for defense of the Empire were beyond disturbing.

"May Heaven help us," mumbled Matsuki under his breath. Then, stirred to action, he spoke in a shaky voice. "Colonel Nakayama, you will immediately alert the Prime Minster's Office that he must call an emergency meeting of the Imperial General Headquarters - Government Liaison Conference. You will also contact the Imperial Palace. Inform the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal that the Showa Emperor's presence is requested."

Neither one of these orders, particularly the latter request, was remotely within General Matsuki's authority. Looking at the screen again, he simply didn't care.
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Unless the IJN pulls off a major win and isolates GJ position this will soon become a strategic bombing game.Lots of B-29's coming on line soon, (I think it is important that you get the AFHQ's to the big bases and get the squadrons aligned with them), but not an infinite number and the operational losses of these guys is high. You will be countered by THOUSANDS OF FIGHTERS. he doesn't really need them anywhere else anymore so your 4EB's are going to take some heavy losses. The 2EB's will finally become useful in keeping the nearby airbases suppressed. I've had some success with the strategic bombing of Japan but I had a lot of trouble keeping the number of B-29's up. Then again I never had fighter escort until late in the game. This game will end shortly after the B-17G's come on line. Hell, now all his ship lanes will be visible, you subs should be in the right place more and more often. Why invade the DEI when you can just sink his tankers? You could just bomb him into ruin, or if you get bored invade the HI. Unless the IJN can deliver in a big way this is going to be a pretty dull game soon.
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ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Here is my full reaction. A little background to this post. First, as readers of my AAR know, I usually summarize events by theater but for momentous events switch to first person accounts in honor of the fact that I'm playing Cuttlefish. Second, I have often referred to "Cribtop HQ" in my AAR, (a phrase I stole long ago from Cuttles, ironically), and even invented various branches of Cribtop HQ. One such branch is the Fringe Division, which refers to a US television show called "Fringe" that deals with parallel universes (see link below). My first person accounts are usually far more historical in nature. Consider this entry to have tongue firmly planted in cheek. [:D]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)

Summer 1942.

An undisclosed location in Japan.

Major General Matsuki Arata looked out the window of his office at one of the most unusual vistas in Japan. His eyes saw nothing but a sterile administrative office full of desks occupied by staff officers of the Imperial Japanese Army, with typewriters, logbooks, reports and other typical accoutrements of bureaucracy. What was strange was not the office itself, but rather its purpose. The windowless building buried deep in a mountainside housed the top secret Fringe Division of Cribtop HQ.

The heart of the enterprise was an odd device, rather like a large mirror, that dominated the far wall. Through processes well beyond Matsuki's understanding, which he suspected were made up of equal parts science and mysticism, the device allowed this handpicked group of officers to observe events in parallel universes. While these alternate realities were too numerous to document, a select few held great interest for Imperial Japan's war effort. In these universes, Japan and the West waged conflicts very similar to the current struggle occurring here in what the lab coats referred to as the "Prime Universe." Each week, the Army and Navy traded places observing events elsewhere in the hopes of gaining insights into the probable course of their own war. Much had been learned on occasion, but most of the time this literally unbelievable job was like any other, with slow days playing out more often than events of consequence.

Matsuki was brought out of his reverie by rapid, flustered movement. Every desk was suddenly bereft of occupants as grown men clamored around the screen of the device like schoolchildren jostling for position at recess. Before he could rise to complain of these actions, Matsuki's second in command, Colonel Nakayama Hiroji, burst through the door to his office. "General, please excuse this interruption, but you must come quickly. There has been... An incident. In the universe designated GJvR11009768."

"Colonel Nakayama, I expect you of all people to be able to maintain your composure! There is no doubt that working in the Fringe Division can be odd, even unnerving at times, but that is all the more reason to set a good example for the men," barked Matsuki.

"Sir, please, just follow me. We've never seen anything like this. Also, recall that in this particular universe victory for Japan seemed highly likely. Events here have unfolded as an outlier to the usual course in most realities."

Something in the Colonel's tone caused Matsuki to overlook the total breakdown of decorum. He grudgingly followed his subordinate onto the office floor, mentally rehearsing his reprimand for the entire group.

Then his eyes fixed on the device. Slowly comprehension dawned, and the General's eyes widened as his jaw dropped. This could not be! The implications for defense of the Empire were beyond disturbing.

"May Heaven help us," mumbled Matsuki under his breath. Then, stirred to action, he spoke in a shaky voice. "Colonel Nakayama, you will immediately alert the Prime Minster's Office that he must call an emergency meeting of the Imperial General Headquarters - Government Liaison Conference. You will also contact the Imperial Palace. Inform the Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal that the Showa Emperor's presence is requested."

Neither one of these orders, particularly the latter request, was remotely within General Matsuki's authority. Looking at the screen again, he simply didn't care.

[:D]....well, i've always like Olivia so if you wanna be my Peter b. i'll be your Olivia D....or Astrid for what it takes...even if i look more like the observer[:(]
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GJ, I think I'll pass on being your Peter... [:D]

That said, I must again congratulate you. This game will end up being the biggest come from behind victory since the Battle of Yahvin.
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GJ, I think I'll pass on being your Peter... [:D]

[:D][:D] I'm not sure GJ will get that double entendre but I sure as heck ain't explainin it.
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