The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[Canoerebel]

Probably the worst visual "double entendre" of all time:  Carry Grant and lovely Eva Marie Saint at the close of North by Northwest are obviously about to get intimate in their cozy stateroom on a train.  The camera then cuts away to show the train entering a tunnel....
 
[:)] [8|] [:-]

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Probably the worst visual "double entendre" of all time:  Carry Grant and lovely Eva Marie Saint at the close of North by Northwest are obviously about to get intimate in their cozy stateroom on a train.  The camera then cuts away to show the train entering a tunnel....

[:)] [8|] [:-]

Right up there with the fireworks show of Love American Style ... [;)]

[crsutton]

This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.

Too many of you are fretting about kamikazes but i say it is too late. The best tactical use of kamikazes is to help stop the invasion before it happens. Once the invasion has taken place the utility of kamikazes diminishes-since you can't use kamikazes to attack air bases or kill troops. GJ is mindful of protecting his carriers. The loss of 100 ships or more now to kamikazes now will not affect him at all. He will not run out of ships and the damage that he is about to inflict on Japanese industry will more than compensate.

Greyjoy has "surclassed" himself in a way that it will be tough for any of us to top. [;)]

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.

I am not reading GreyJoy to force the issue at 1-5 .. but like the scene from Conan ..where the bad guy is inticing the virgin to jump into the pit with the snake .. "come .. come my child ..." I think GreyJoy wants the IJ to just try and push him out .. that would delight him greatly ..

What is interesting to me is the decision between using bombers to supress airfields and running those bombers into ships ... I have got to think the former is far more important than the latter .. at least intially ...

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: crsutton

This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.

I am not reading GreyJoy to force the issue at 1-5 .. but like the scene from Conan ..where the bad guy is inticing the virgin to jump into the pit with the snake .. "come .. come my child ..." I think GreyJoy wants the IJ to just try and push him out .. that would delight him greatly ..

What is interesting to me is the decision between using bombers to supress airfields and running those bombers into ships ... I have got to think the former is far more important than the latter .. at least intially ...

Very good point. Rader has a strong airforce and navy, and I don't know if squandering pilots and air frames in kamikaze attacks at this point will serve his best interest. But he is going to need a good plan fast. I think he should go for Hawaii..[:D]

[Miller]

Very well done GJ, rader will be shitting his pants at this turn of events.

It also reminds JFBs like myself to make sure this does not happen in my game......[X(]

[jeffk3510]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

This thread is getting more hits than a Herman Cain video.....

One thing. Those of you AFBs who know the transformation that Allied armor and Infantry units go though in 43 and 44 will know. It will take 30 Japanese infantry divisions to throw 10 Allied divisions and supporting armor out of Hokkaido. And that would depend on Rader gaining full air superiority. Just like in the real deal, in 1944 once the Allies are ashore in strength, it is almost impossible to dislodge them. GJ is ashore. It might be bloody but I see no way that Rader can dislodge him. Not never.

I am seeing my Allied armor units attack Japanese stacks at 1-5 odds and still do serious damage.

Too many of you are fretting about kamikazes but i say it is too late. The best tactical use of kamikazes is to help stop the invasion before it happens. Once the invasion has taken place the utility of kamikazes diminishes-since you can't use kamikazes to attack air bases or kill troops. GJ is mindful of protecting his carriers. The loss of 100 ships or more now to kamikazes now will not affect him at all. He will not run out of ships and the damage that he is about to inflict on Japanese industry will more than compensate.

Greyjoy has "surclassed" himself in a way that it will be tough for any of us to top. [;)]

Agreed. 100%

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Mynok

ORIGINAL: Cribtop
GJ, I think I'll pass on being your Peter... [:D]

[:D][:D] I'm not sure GJ will get that double entendre but I sure as heck ain't explainin it.

[:D] Think i got it...but i'll keep it for me, myself and my broken heart[:'(]

...turn should arrive within the next hour....stay tuned[8D]

[Cribtop]

To echo Miller, this is a powerful reminder to JFBs everywhere that the Outer Perimeter is just a lot of cut off jungle if you don't secure the Inner Perimeter from a deep thrust. Then again, troops are limited, especially in Scenario 1, and you can't put a division on every rock. Scary stuff.

[Cribtop]

PS - I think the first post on page 124 of this AAR officially qualifies as The Shot Heard 'Round the World. Still reeling from it, truth be told. The only bolder move would've been to just drop anchor in Tokyo Bay itself. [:D] Of course, the genius is that you found the soft spot. To continue with the Battle of Yahvin analogy:

"Sir, we've analyzed the Rebel attack, and there is a weakness. Should I prepare your shuttle?"

"What?! Evacuate at our moment of triumph? Never!"

BOOM!

[GreyJoy]

well guys, as u may understand i'm not at easy to be too optimistic. Rader is a smart guy and an experienced jap player. he knows his strenght and my weakness better than me.
However i'd be a liar if i told you that i'm not happy about these first days of Suddenly Hairy. The results went beyond my best expectations...so far we only lost an LST and an AK, both hitting a rock beneath the waves during landings.
 
However, no matter how this thing will turn out, i have to spend a couple of words for Rader's strategy.
 
He DID defend his inner perimeter. Since 1942 he reinforced the Mariannas, building ALL of them, and placing several divisions, HQs, Eng and CD guns there.
He DID the same with the Bonins. With Marcus, Wake, PI...
 
For what concerns the Kuriles he did secure Paramushiro and 3 more bases (Onnekotan etc..)...
 
I was lucky to find out the only soft spot he had left... don't know if he has to be blame so hard for a couple of island left without a significant infantry garrison...

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Then again, troops are limited, especially in Scenario 1, and you can't put a division on every rock. Scary stuff.

Very true

[Mynok]

It also reminds JFBs like myself to make sure this does not happen in my game......

Yes it does. [:D]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Unless the IJN pulls off a major win and isolates GJ position this will soon become a strategic bombing game.Lots of B-29's coming on line soon, (I think it is important that you get the AFHQ's to the big bases and get the squadrons aligned with them), but not an infinite number and the operational losses of these guys is high. You will be countered by THOUSANDS OF FIGHTERS. he doesn't really need them anywhere else anymore so your 4EB's are going to take some heavy losses. The 2EB's will finally become useful in keeping the nearby airbases suppressed. I've had some success with the strategic bombing of Japan but I had a lot of trouble keeping the number of B-29's up. Then again I never had fighter escort until late in the game. This game will end shortly after the B-17G's come on line. Hell, now all his ship lanes will be visible, you subs should be in the right place more and more often. Why invade the DEI when you can just sink his tankers? You could just bomb him into ruin, or if you get bored invade the HI. Unless the IJN can deliver in a big way this is going to be a pretty dull game soon.

Yes, i'll be fighting against Thousands of fighters...and it will be bloody...we all know that. But at least this move will squander Rader's strategic positions in other theatres...and maybe in 1945 we can find a second vector to close the gap and put the Emperor between the hammer and the envil...

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

To echo Miller, this is a powerful reminder to JFBs everywhere that the Outer Perimeter is just a lot of cut off jungle if you don't secure the Inner Perimeter from a deep thrust. Then again, troops are limited, especially in Scenario 1, and you can't put a division on every rock. Scary stuff.

Nimitz and King both planned a deep strike into Formosa ... if they would have had thier way we would have lost a lot less than our foray into PI. Think GreyJoy's forces decending on the Island of Formosa ... and no KB at this point ...

On the other hand Japan had not seized China and India in RF and that is what makes this thrust so powerful .. the IJ can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in a heartbeat ..no matter how much you beat them up before '44 ....

It will be a very interesting next 6 weeks ...

[GreyJoy]

turn arrived...checking now....

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy


Yes, i'll be fighting against Thousands of fighters...and it will be bloody...we all know that. But at least this move will squander Rader's strategic positions in other theatres...and maybe in 1945 we can find a second vector to close the gap and put the Emperor between the hammer and the envil...

Just a thought ...Are you both upgraded to 1108r4? If not, a CTD might be in store in the near future [;)] See the Tech thread on the Beta releases ..

[1108r4]
Fixed Large number of groups could cause CTD in air attack [MEM]
Fixed Group arriving at a ship still had delay of 1 stopping getting of pilots [MEM]

[beppi]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

turn arrived...checking now....

waiting ..... [;)]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: crsutton


Very good point. Rader has a strong airforce and navy, and I don't know if squandering pilots and air frames in kamikaze attacks at this point will serve his best interest. But he is going to need a good plan fast. I think he should go for Hawaii..[:D]

As someone who has lost a lot more than 100 ships to the AI's kamis I would just point out that the best kamis are multi-engine junk like Idas, Sallys, Peggys, et al. About 10-20% get through a good CAP even with 25-30 EXP pilots, and they do a lot of damage. You don't need to waste modern single-engine frames in the kami role.

I would also mention that the incidence of Japanese ramming attacks on 4Es spikes in operations over the HI, and Oscars and Zeros ram real good.

What is the condition and prognosis for rader's air force after his giving up India? A crucial quesiton. Strat bombing burns through supplies by the millions of points. GJ may have to run past a LOT of kamis before this is over.

[pws1225]

ORIGINAL: Mynok

It also reminds JFBs like myself to make sure this does not happen in my game......

Yes it does. [:D]

Ugh! Yep.