The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
I feel for GJ - the amount of continued coordination and careful planning will consume a lot of time and energy on his part. Of course, with all of the attention focused on Northern Japan right now, it will also pay to continue to push forward any and all operations in other areas of the map as well, because every soldier, plane & ship that Rader is forced to keep somewhere else is one less that he can throw at GJs current position in the north.
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
Yeah, gotta admitt that i have more or less not paid any attention to the other theatres...i now have to start an operation, within the next 3 weeks against Buka...which will include the landing of a full reinforced corp right in the middle of the jaws of Rabaul... No CVs so i'll have to use wisely the 600 fighters i have in the solomons.
200 4Es will soon start an offensive against targets in NG and New britain...but shipping is very limited and i only have here 1 CA, 5 CLs and some 30 DDs...nothing more...
However hopefully the new offensive in Okkaido will drain enough of Rader forces to be able to do that sustaining not too much damage!
Kamis will come...i'm sure...but i have so many mutual supporting AFs now that i don't fear them no more...not there anyway...my CVs soon will not be needed anymore in NOPAC and will be free to do something else...thinking about a raid somewhere in his interior lines between japan and DEI...
200 4Es will soon start an offensive against targets in NG and New britain...but shipping is very limited and i only have here 1 CA, 5 CLs and some 30 DDs...nothing more...
However hopefully the new offensive in Okkaido will drain enough of Rader forces to be able to do that sustaining not too much damage!
Kamis will come...i'm sure...but i have so many mutual supporting AFs now that i don't fear them no more...not there anyway...my CVs soon will not be needed anymore in NOPAC and will be free to do something else...thinking about a raid somewhere in his interior lines between japan and DEI...
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Dan Nichols
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
Have you considered taking Marcus and Wake Islands for use as Naval Search bases?
I think that the two obligations you have are to be good at what you do and then to pass on your knowledge to a younger person
RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
The lack of movement in other areas would be a reason not to put GreyJoy on a pedestal just yet.
Pressure in the Solomons or Burma and continued movements around Perth/DEI COULD have had Rader wondering about what else is in the pipelines. While GJ knows if he has enough strength for a second approach Rader will be wondering about the seemingly bottomless Allied LCU bucket. Every japanese aircraft destroyed at Rabaul or over Timor & Burma will not be faced over Hokkaido, every LCU defending threatened (doesnt mean attacked) base around NG, Rabaul or Sumatra isnt defending Honshu.
Are you making sure the Red Army is ready? It might be that pressure on the home front (or a mistake)sees Rader activate them, may not happen but be ready.
Are your subs in place to interdict Raders sea transport of LCU back to the HI?
In between Strat Bombing and smashing LCU, occaisionaly do some mining of ports, this could restrict his barge traffic or hurt a few major Naval assets.
IMHO, You should be able to take Hokkaido, do barges lift heavy equipment or will you be faced by Infantry only? The Allied LCU by this point start to be too powerful for japanese LCU (and you may be facing Home Defence type units for a bit). Hokkaido will then become a big airbase, time will come whan you have to pick up your LCU and do another switch of approach (dont know where to though, maybe some of those mid pacific islands are vulnerable) again, the threat of this plus your latest attack might make Rader defend places you have no interest in.
Keep bashing on, you have stolen second base, but there is a lot of work to come before you make home plate!
Pressure in the Solomons or Burma and continued movements around Perth/DEI COULD have had Rader wondering about what else is in the pipelines. While GJ knows if he has enough strength for a second approach Rader will be wondering about the seemingly bottomless Allied LCU bucket. Every japanese aircraft destroyed at Rabaul or over Timor & Burma will not be faced over Hokkaido, every LCU defending threatened (doesnt mean attacked) base around NG, Rabaul or Sumatra isnt defending Honshu.
Are you making sure the Red Army is ready? It might be that pressure on the home front (or a mistake)sees Rader activate them, may not happen but be ready.
Are your subs in place to interdict Raders sea transport of LCU back to the HI?
In between Strat Bombing and smashing LCU, occaisionaly do some mining of ports, this could restrict his barge traffic or hurt a few major Naval assets.
IMHO, You should be able to take Hokkaido, do barges lift heavy equipment or will you be faced by Infantry only? The Allied LCU by this point start to be too powerful for japanese LCU (and you may be facing Home Defence type units for a bit). Hokkaido will then become a big airbase, time will come whan you have to pick up your LCU and do another switch of approach (dont know where to though, maybe some of those mid pacific islands are vulnerable) again, the threat of this plus your latest attack might make Rader defend places you have no interest in.
Keep bashing on, you have stolen second base, but there is a lot of work to come before you make home plate!
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
On the other hand, the relative pause in other regions might have prompted Rader to pull out more than will be of use in the home islands thereby unnecessarily weakening other theaters when GreyJoy resumes vigorous operations there.
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
Rader is concerned with only one thing at this point: NoPac. Everything else is essentially irrelevant. The only exception is his convoy system to transport fuel and resources from the DEI to Japan. He'll protect his important producing bases and his convoy routes. He'll also keep some small forces in other regions hoping for chances to sting GJ's own forces.
If I was Rader, one thing I would consider doing is invading Russia. He has twelve zillion infantry units; he most likely isn't going to evict GJ from Hokkaido, but he might try an end around, hoping to kind of surround GJ's NoPac garrisons from the rear - Perhaps even look for a bad weather chance at invading the Russian bases on the Kamchatka Peninsula. His big armies in New Guinea and elsewhere aren't needed there, so put them to use vanquishing Russia, or trying to?
I dunno. That would be a long shot, since GJ can now reinforce Russia with Western Allied troops should he need to do so. But it's something rader will probably look at.
If I was Rader, one thing I would consider doing is invading Russia. He has twelve zillion infantry units; he most likely isn't going to evict GJ from Hokkaido, but he might try an end around, hoping to kind of surround GJ's NoPac garrisons from the rear - Perhaps even look for a bad weather chance at invading the Russian bases on the Kamchatka Peninsula. His big armies in New Guinea and elsewhere aren't needed there, so put them to use vanquishing Russia, or trying to?
I dunno. That would be a long shot, since GJ can now reinforce Russia with Western Allied troops should he need to do so. But it's something rader will probably look at.
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If I was Rader, one thing I would consider doing is invading Russia. He has twelve zillion infantry units; he most likely isn't going to evict GJ from Hokkaido, but he might try an end around, hoping to kind of surround GJ's NoPac garrisons from the rear - Perhaps even look for a bad weather chance at invading the Russian bases on the Kamchatka Peninsula. His big armies in New Guinea and elsewhere aren't needed there, so put them to use vanquishing Russia, or trying to?
I dunno. That would be a long shot, since GJ can now reinforce Russia with Western Allied troops should he need to do so. But it's something rader will probably look at.
Can't see what Petropavolvsk delivers that Paramushiro doesn't, and it'll get closed just as fast; Magadan, Anadyr are too far away to be of any importance. As for the rest...I can't see much good coming of it - the Russians should have been digging for long enough for it to take weeks to get them out of a single base - and it'd give the Allies a fantastic local source of supplies! So, it'd be hilarious, but probably not a benefit for the Japanese.
RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Besides lashing out does anyone see a constructive approach Raader could take to minimize this disaster? Clearly he can't throw the allies back but other than fortifying the HI against further incursion and the mother of all Naval battles what other options are available for an Japanese player?
no, the game engine doesnt allow that possibility.
#1. naval combat is broken - from the very first relase of the game. I wont go into details, you guys just have to ask yourself one question - did anyone sink enemy CV with SC TF?.
Other than that there is no big issues with naval combat. Ofc, if you are satisfied with dice roll engine[&o]
#2. air combat "was improved"... in original game, whe had air clash of titans... hundreds of ac from both sides would result with hundreds of losses... now, we have situation where 400 fts cant stop 100 fts and 300 bombers.... and it will result with:
a) few ac destroyed (both sides)
b) closed AF
c) a lots of ac destroyed on the ground
in short, i would say that devs of the AE took care about Japs and limited their offensive capabilites, but they didnt even touch Allies at all.
They just cant realise that PBEM players are smarter then real Japs were. Ofc, we are smarter just because we know what mistakes we cant make.... but that doesnt change situation...
our estimeed Allied ops just want Japs ops to behaviour like their ancestors IRL
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: pauk
#1. naval combat is broken - from the very first relase of the game. I wont go into details, you guys just have to ask yourself one question - did anyone sink enemy CV with SC TF?.
Yes. What is your point about that?
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Kamis will come...i'm sure...but i have so many mutual supporting AFs now that i don't fear them no more...not there anyway...my CVs soon will not be needed anymore in NOPAC and will be free to do something else...thinking about a raid somewhere in his interior lines between japan and DEI...
Ruminating on kamis . . .
Not this month or next probably, but one wild (and I mean out there) idea he could try is "suicidal kami bases." He needs a straddle kami base on your northern convoy routes. He could try to grab an island--from Truk probably or maybe the Marianas--shoot in some light aviation support and a few hundred kamis and take out as many transports as he can before it dies. At worst he might flush you out like quail and make you re-route to the south where he has a trap set. Not Dutch Harbor probably (too tough a nut to crack), but something in that area. Kodiak? One of the western Aleuts? Don't know. If he did it right he might not need to transport the planes. Multi-engine might make it on organic fuel (I haven't counted hexes; that ruins a good ruminaiton.)
My point is, don't assume he can only use kamis in the last mile. For that matter, the AI has emptied several carreir air wings on me as kamis and then run away. Poor pilots work for that if he's flush with planes.
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
Yup, pretty sure the Kriegsmarine got the Glorious by gunfire in 1940, no? Understand it was a pretty good salvo that first got her too.#1. naval combat is broken - from the very first relase of the game. I wont go into details, you guys just have to ask yourself one question - did anyone sink enemy CV with SC TF?.
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
Well one thing Grey Joy...........thanks for the heads up!.........this is one Japanese player who is rushing gazzillions of troops north!!!
This is so scary as a Japanese player I feel sick...................
This is so scary as a Japanese player I feel sick...................
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
April 7, 8 1944
Well, the turn was characterized by lights and shadows, as always.
Our DDs at Hakkodate sunk something like 20 xAKLs (empty or delivering supplies) and some 15 barges....losing 2 Brit DDs due to mines and CD guns...not a good trade-off if you ask me...at least he will be more carefull and will have to guard the strait with some decent surface units... in fact i'm not seeing any of his major surface assets lately...is he trying something crazy? Will try to keep my guard high... around PH i want to have a lots of picket TFs and at least 10 subs at hand...and some decent LBA air cover.
Then our first air strat bombing was a success, even if losses were high. My main problem, as always is the absolute lack of coordination. Several P-47s went in in groups of 3 or 7...same for Corsairs...and they found something like 100/150 modern fighters on CAP.... despite being so badly ounumbered we achieved a kill-loss ratio of 3-1 (i still need to see the intel report but we did well!)...the following 130 B-24Js plastered the Shiden production facilities, bringing it to 0 in 2 days.
A good start.
Our tanks also conquered Muroran (south of Sasebo).
Soon our leading units will meet Rader's Okkaido Army and we'll see what we get there...
Now we'll stop our strat bombing for a couple of turns, looking for some other target solutions...wanna get those modern fighters and bombers out of the equation ASAP
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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 10
A6M5 Zero x 21
N1K1-J George x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 30
Ki-84a Frank x 3
Ki-100-I Tony x 56
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 6 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 5
A6M5 Zero x 5
N1K1-J George x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 1
Ki-100-I Tony x 13
Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 94
F4U-1A Corsair x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden factory hits 20
Well, the turn was characterized by lights and shadows, as always.
Our DDs at Hakkodate sunk something like 20 xAKLs (empty or delivering supplies) and some 15 barges....losing 2 Brit DDs due to mines and CD guns...not a good trade-off if you ask me...at least he will be more carefull and will have to guard the strait with some decent surface units... in fact i'm not seeing any of his major surface assets lately...is he trying something crazy? Will try to keep my guard high... around PH i want to have a lots of picket TFs and at least 10 subs at hand...and some decent LBA air cover.
Then our first air strat bombing was a success, even if losses were high. My main problem, as always is the absolute lack of coordination. Several P-47s went in in groups of 3 or 7...same for Corsairs...and they found something like 100/150 modern fighters on CAP.... despite being so badly ounumbered we achieved a kill-loss ratio of 3-1 (i still need to see the intel report but we did well!)...the following 130 B-24Js plastered the Shiden production facilities, bringing it to 0 in 2 days.
A good start.
Our tanks also conquered Muroran (south of Sasebo).
Soon our leading units will meet Rader's Okkaido Army and we'll see what we get there...
Now we'll stop our strat bombing for a couple of turns, looking for some other target solutions...wanna get those modern fighters and bombers out of the equation ASAP
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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 10
A6M5 Zero x 21
N1K1-J George x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 30
Ki-84a Frank x 3
Ki-100-I Tony x 56
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 22
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 6 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 31000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Sendai , at 117,58
Weather in hex: Overcast
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 5
A6M5 Zero x 5
N1K1-J George x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 1
Ki-100-I Tony x 13
Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 94
F4U-1A Corsair x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed
J7W1 Shinden factory hits 20
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols
Have you considered taking Marcus and Wake Islands for use as Naval Search bases?
Yes, but that is exactly the chance i don't wanna offer to him right now. My fleet alone without LBA cover in the middle of nowhere, with his KB lurking in the shades....
RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: JeffK
The lack of movement in other areas would be a reason not to put GreyJoy on a pedestal just yet.
Pressure in the Solomons or Burma and continued movements around Perth/DEI COULD have had Rader wondering about what else is in the pipelines. While GJ knows if he has enough strength for a second approach Rader will be wondering about the seemingly bottomless Allied LCU bucket. Every japanese aircraft destroyed at Rabaul or over Timor & Burma will not be faced over Hokkaido, every LCU defending threatened (doesnt mean attacked) base around NG, Rabaul or Sumatra isnt defending Honshu.
Are you making sure the Red Army is ready? It might be that pressure on the home front (or a mistake)sees Rader activate them, may not happen but be ready.
Are your subs in place to interdict Raders sea transport of LCU back to the HI?
In between Strat Bombing and smashing LCU, occaisionaly do some mining of ports, this could restrict his barge traffic or hurt a few major Naval assets.
IMHO, You should be able to take Hokkaido, do barges lift heavy equipment or will you be faced by Infantry only? The Allied LCU by this point start to be too powerful for japanese LCU (and you may be facing Home Defence type units for a bit). Hokkaido will then become a big airbase, time will come whan you have to pick up your LCU and do another switch of approach (dont know where to though, maybe some of those mid pacific islands are vulnerable) again, the threat of this plus your latest attack might make Rader defend places you have no interest in.
Keep bashing on, you have stolen second base, but there is a lot of work to come before you make home plate!
Agree. I need to keep on pushing in India-Burma (the indian re-conquista is almost over...we got to Madras and we built up Calcutta and Ansalon to 9 lvl AF...) and in the Solomons/NG. I also have some regiments prepped for Tarawa...but i think this op can wait now...
RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Kamis will come...i'm sure...but i have so many mutual supporting AFs now that i don't fear them no more...not there anyway...my CVs soon will not be needed anymore in NOPAC and will be free to do something else...thinking about a raid somewhere in his interior lines between japan and DEI...
Ruminating on kamis . . .
Not this month or next probably, but one wild (and I mean out there) idea he could try is "suicidal kami bases." He needs a straddle kami base on your northern convoy routes. He could try to grab an island--from Truk probably or maybe the Marianas--shoot in some light aviation support and a few hundred kamis and take out as many transports as he can before it dies. At worst he might flush you out like quail and make you re-route to the south where he has a trap set. Not Dutch Harbor probably (too tough a nut to crack), but something in that area. Kodiak? One of the western Aleuts? Don't know. If he did it right he might not need to transport the planes. Multi-engine might make it on organic fuel (I haven't counted hexes; that ruins a good ruminaiton.)
My point is, don't assume he can only use kamis in the last mile. For that matter, the AI has emptied several carreir air wings on me as kamis and then run away. Poor pilots work for that if he's flush with planes.
Well...he already got a very bloody nose when he tried to invade the Aleutinas...my CVs are very close...it will be a terrible and difficult gamble for him...a part from that my bases are all well built up, fully supplies and with some battallions...nothing that can stop an armada, mind you, but enough to prevent an easy-picking...
Kamis will arrive...i know they will...and i know i'll suffer some heavy losses...but it's part of the equation...you have to break some eggs to get a scramble-egg, right?
I'll try to be as ready as possible...but i cannot avoid a final confrontation. In the meanwhile i'll keep the pressure up. Now that the strat campaign has started Rader must keep a lot of units on CAP over the whole japan...and that means less units devoted to Kami missions...at least i hope so
RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: pauk
#1. naval combat is broken - from the very first relase of the game. I wont go into details, you guys just have to ask yourself one question - did anyone sink enemy CV with SC TF?.
Yes. What is your point about that?
And just in case you meant that in-game 'has any SCTF bagged a carrier', oh yes:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2803251
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
Well, losses were pretty high indeed.... 44 planes lost during those raids at Sentai...only 4 bombers but some 40 fighters were lost over enemy territories...not good! I have to spend some time in order to find a way to get a better coordination. Think attaching the units to the same air HQ could help...but it will be damned expensive in terms of PPs....
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RE: SUDDENLY HAIRY
GJ, AFAIK the attachment of air unit to air HQs means nothing. There is some honest speculation about it, but no developer has given credence to it.
You might consider letting the 4EBs go in without escort. The only time your fighters should fly that range is on sweep. On escort they face that additional negative modifier.
2EB do need escort if they are facing opposition, and then, well, losses will be taken!
You might consider letting the 4EBs go in without escort. The only time your fighters should fly that range is on sweep. On escort they face that additional negative modifier.
2EB do need escort if they are facing opposition, and then, well, losses will be taken!
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