Corps vs divisions

[goodwoodrw]

Is there any advantage using a corps as opposed to a division, other than size, is there places where a smaller Div is more suited than the larger Cps?

[comsolut]

Divisions imho are not for the front lines but better as a reserve and garrison unit, or for very weak sectors. Corps are the main strength of the game. In my exp corps defeat divisions with no difficulty.

[doomtrader]

The most important advantage of Divisions over Corps is the speed and production time. You can spam the enemy with plenty of units within four weeks, where building corps usually takes around 10.

[rodney727]

The MO of the German army was Divisions, Hitler created over 999 of them, and that's just regular Army. German order of Battle volume one: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions, Volume two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, then you have the Named Infantry Divisions, after that you have the Jager and light Dvisions, after that you have the Mountain Divisions, then the Luftwaffe Infantry Divisions,
Then you have the Flak Divisions, Cavalry Divisions. Then the good stuff. Panzer Divisions, Panzer Grenadier Divisions, The Waffen SS Divisions. From 1934-1945 you have over 1500 German Divisions. Some of the German Corps on the map should be Divisions at the start of 1939. Germany didn't have 28 Infantry Korps on the map at the start of 1939.

ORIGINAL: doomtrader

The most important advantage of Divisions over Corps is the speed and production time. You can spam the enemy with plenty of units within four weeks, where building corps usually takes around 10.

[bairdlander2]

What was the thinking behind not being able to stack divisions and allow one to attack one way and another a different way?

[Numdydar]

Using existing Time of Wrath code that also did not support stacking either would be my guess.

[Razz1]

No, simplicity war the rule on stacking.

[Zovs]

Sorry but the Germans did not create 1,500 divisions in World War 2. They did not in fact create even 999 divisions.

Try: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=7288

Just because the Germans used 329th ID and your source may say 999th (no such unit btw) that does not mean the Germans raised 999 divisions. Pure folly.

[Vasquez]

Yepp^^ The german division numbers were not continuous. They gave almost random numbers later in the war to confuse the enemy. Not only that. Some divisions used up to fours number within worldwar2. As example the late War Jaeger Divisions. These units were the "old" divisions with the numbers 701 to 718. Or remember the "famous" 352.ID which pounded the allies at omaha beach. That division was formed out of the remnants of the 321.ID which was almost destroyed in russia and sent to france for refitting etc.etc.

[rodney727]

999th Light afrika Division
Composition:
961st Afrika Rifle Regiment
962nd Afrika Rifle Regiment
963th Afrika Rifle Regimen
999th Artillery Regiment
999th Tank Destroyer Company
999th Engineer Battalion
999th Signal Battalion
999th Divisional Supply Troops
Home Station: Heuberg and Banden, Wehrkries V
Formed October 6th 1942
Upgraded to Divisional status on February 2nd 1942
sent to Tunisia in March 1943
surrendered in May with Army Group Afrika
Fought well against the French, British and Americans
Commanded by Major General Kurt Thomas.
So no such division ever was huh?
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You like to use the word folly in your posts, I have noticed, maybe that word means not what you think it means. Maybe your statements are pure folly.



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Please do more research than just one website.
German order of Battle Volume two page 256
Stackpole Military History Series
ISBN-13 978-0-8117-3416-1
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Sorry but the Germans did not create 1,500 divisions in World War 2. They did not in fact create even 999 divisions.

Try: http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=7288

Just because the Germans used 329th ID and your source may say 999th (no such unit btw) that does not mean the Germans raised 999 divisions. Pure folly.

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[Vasquez]

Ja. The 999.ID existed (a few months). It was also known as the "Strafdivision 999" (Penalty Division). It was the only "Division" with a ninehundred number iirc.

[rodney727]

Untrue. 352nd Infantry Division included a small part of the 321st, but mostly from the 223rd, 275th and 389th Infantry Divisions. After D-day what was left was absorbed by the 2nd Panzer Division. Later that month it was again created but this time as 352nd Volksgrenadier Division. I never said the German had 1500 Divisions on the field at one time. But please do some research before you put words on paper.

ORIGINAL: Vasquez

Yepp^^ The german division numbers were not continuous. They gave almost random numbers later in the war to confuse the enemy. Not only that. Some divisions used up to fours number within worldwar2. As example the late War Jaeger Divisions. These units were the "old" divisions with the numbers 701 to 718. Or remember the "famous" 352.ID which pounded the allies at omaha beach. That division was formed out of the remnants of the 321.ID which was almost destroyed in russia and sent to france for refitting etc.etc.

[rodney727]

A few moments ago you said yes to a statement the 999th never was.

ORIGINAL: Vasquez

Ja. The 999.ID existed (a few months). It was also known as the "Strafdivision 999" (Penalty Division). It was the only "Division" with a ninehundred number iirc.

[rodney727]

Again you are wrong
Division NR.905
Formed on January 7th 1945
commanded by Major General Hermann von Witzleben

ORIGINAL: Vasquez

Ja. The 999.ID existed (a few months). It was also known as the "Strafdivision 999" (Penalty Division). It was the only "Division" with a ninehundred number iirc.

[Vasquez]

You said the germans created 999+ divisions. Hitler would have loved that no doubt =) Seems the only one who was impressed by the german attempt to fool the allies are you hehe. Not sure about the correct number of divisions created during ww2. Should be easy to find in the web though. Maybe 250! Up to 300 there have been the majority of the numbers filled. Above 400 only a few numbers from each hundred. And as it was pointed out. The german loved to rotate numbers. Usually refitted Divisions received a new number. Only the "old" or famous Divisions were reformed without a number change.

But well. No need for me to push my post count ion this matter. Iam posting to much anyway these days =)

[rodney727]

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? Please do some research. I have been researching Germany in ww2 for over 15 years.

ORIGINAL: Vasquez

You said the germans created 999+ divisions. Hitler would have loved that no doubt =) Seems the only one who was impressed by the german attempt to fool the allies are you hehe. Not sure about the correct number of divisions created during ww2. Should be easy to find in the web though. Maybe 250! Up to 300 there have been the majority of the numbers filled. Above 400 only a few numbers from each hundred. And as it was pointed out. The german loved to rotate numbers. Usually refitted Divisions received a new number. Only the "old" or famous Divisions were reformed without a number change.

But well. No need for me to push my post count ion this matter. Iam posting to much anyway these days =)

[Vasquez]

OK %)

[rodney727]

I just don't like to be called a liar, I don't know you, my Grandfather was in the German army in WW2 that is why I do research.

[Zovs]

I don't believe anyone called rogo727 a liar, just doubting his sources. He stated that the Germans raised 1,500 divisions, which I disagree with.

My sources:

Tessin, G., Verbänd und Truppen der detuschen Wermacht und Waffen-SS im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939-1945, Biblo Verlag, Osnabruck, 1977.

Mueller-Hillebrand, B., Das Heer l933-l945, Frankfurt am mein, l956 Vol I & II, Verband der Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen SS 939-l945

My grandfather, my great uncles and great cousins served with both the Soviet Armies and the US Armies so that is why I do research, it's actually why I read and have played war games for over 35+ years.

[rodney727]

Like I said before the Germans didn't field 1500 divisions at the same time but 1934-1945 Hitler did create 1,500 divisions. Now these divisions ranged from 100-20,000 men. Yes I counted them. Doubt me? Count yourself.
German order of Battle Volume one 1st-290th Infantry Divisions
German order of Battle Volume Two 291st-999th Infantry Divisions
German order of Battle Volume Three Panzer, Panzer Grenadier and Waffen SS Divisions
German Divisions 1934-1944
Type 44 Divisions
Volksgrenadier Divisions
Panzer Divisions
Motorized Divisions
Panzer Grenadier Divisions
Jager Divisions
Light Divisions
Security Divisions
Miscellaneous Army Divisions
Luftwaffe Divisions
SS Divisions
Wehrkreise Divisions
Marine Divisions
Flak Divisions
Artillery Divisions
Field Replacement Divisions
Named Divisions
so from the first two German Army 1933-1944 and Type 44 Divisions you have...
Total Number of front line Infantry Divisions 392, and that's just the regular Army Infantry Divisions.

ORIGINAL: dlazov66

I don't believe anyone called rogo727 a liar, just doubting his sources. He stated that the Germans raised 1,500 divisions, which I disagree with.
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Your most modern book is 1977?
German order of battle is the definitive reference on the German Army in WW2, covering the organization, combat history and Commanders of each division.
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My sources:

Tessin, G., Verbänd und Truppen der detuschen Wermacht und Waffen-SS im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939-1945, Biblo Verlag, Osnabruck, 1977.

Mueller-Hillebrand, B., Das Heer l933-l945, Frankfurt am mein, l956 Vol I & II, Verband der Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen SS 939-l945

My grandfather, my great uncles and great cousins served with both the Soviet Armies and the US Armies so that is why I do research, it's actually why I read and have played war games for over 35+ years.