Reality check for all us JFBs

[sdevault]

The book Blood on the Sea tells the story of all DD's lost.
"Seventy-one American destroyers were lost during WWII, 60 of them in confrontations with enemy ships, planes, shore batteries and mines, the other 11 to accidental groundings, friendly mines or severe storms."

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Gridley380

ORIGINAL: Miller

Total US combat ship losses (DD or larger) in the pacific during WW2:

4 CV
1 CVL
5 CVE
2 BB
7 CA
1 CL
2 CLAA
50-ish DD

DD losses aside, an Allied player could lose that much in the space of 2 days in AE[X(]

And don't forget: all four of the CVs, both BBs, 5 CA, both CLAAs, and a bunch of the DD were lost in 1941/1942.

Post-1942 the USN in ALL theaters lost:

1 CVL
6 CVE
2 CA
1 CL
45 DD
15 DE
44 SS

Wow. Very interesting...

[Bliztk]

Hindsight is 20/20. Also we both JFB and AFB operate with 1950 tactics, not with unproved 1935 tactics.

Not having to write 1500 letters to the mothers of your latest failure works wonders too

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Bliztk

... Not having to write 1500 letters to the mothers of your latest failure works wonders too

Absolutely spot on.

I am constantly shrugging my head at all the players who insist on "realistic" play, "realistic" game code etc and then their play bears no resemblance to real world factors, of which the writing of 1500 letters to mothers fully captures what is "reality" in life.

Too many players around here criticise the real historical figures when the fact is that even the most incompetent historical figure was more qualified to cope with the real world pressures they faced than the egos of the virtual warlords here would allow.

Alfred

[SuluSea]

ORIGINAL: Alfred


Too many players around here criticise the real historical figures when the fact is that even the most incompetent historical figure was more qualified to cope with the real world pressures they faced than the egos of the virtual warlords here would allow.

Alfred

Alfred my friend, if there were ever a sentence written on this forum more deserving of a sig line I haven't seen it. Superb & Have a great holiday!!

[Sardaukar]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Bliztk

... Not having to write 1500 letters to the mothers of your latest failure works wonders too

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Too many players around here criticise the real historical figures when the fact is that even the most incompetent historical figure was more qualified to cope with the real world pressures they faced than the egos of the virtual warlords here would allow.

Alfred

Even Percival? [:'(]

Even my military training tells me that allowing troops to dig in does not demoralize them...

[vettim89]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Because if the game played out like the real deal, Japanese players would be as rare as male calico cats....[8|]

Only a few os us get that (Chickenboy?). I think I have seen two in 22 yeasr of practice

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Bliztk

... Not having to write 1500 letters to the mothers of your latest failure works wonders too

***

Too many players around here criticise the real historical figures when the fact is that even the most incompetent historical figure was more qualified to cope with the real world pressures they faced than the egos of the virtual warlords here would allow.

Alfred

Even Percival? [:'(]

Even my military training tells me that allowing troops to dig in does not demoralize them...

Yes, even Percival.

Percival served as a scapegoat for the British army's institutional military deficiencies. He received the blame for the many mistakes made by both his subordinates and superiors. There was not a single British general in December 1941 who would have performed better than Percival did.

1. Operation "Matador" was the only realistic chance the British had in December 1941 to significantly delay the Japanese. That it was not put into operation was entirely the fault of Percival's superiors.

2. Percival did not prevent the troops from digging in. British troops did dig in but their flanks were always left open becuase there simply were not enough troops present in Malaya. Again not Percival's fault as he had already identified in his first tour of duty in Malaya the great shortage of infantry.

3. It was not Percival's decision to organise his forces into penny packets. His orders were to defend the airfields. He was thus left in a completely invidious position, forced to defend what could not be defended with inadequate forces. It wasn't percival who had decided to build and position the airfields in such vulnerable positions in the first place.

4. Percival was not authorised to expend more than 500 pounds. Just how much fortification do you think 500 pounds builds you?

5. The governor of Malaya insisted, and had the authority to impose his decision on Percival, to maximise the export of rubber and tin at the expense of any military preparation to oppose the Japanese. Thus percival found himself lacking both the funds and the civilian labour to build defences.

I'll leave it at that for to continue to explain the difficulties Percival laboured under would completely hijack this thread.

Alfred

[sdevault]

Most of the early commanders were caught in a no win scenario. Antiquated equipment, limited equipment and troops, and governments unwilling to establish an effective war policy until it was too late.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: vettim89

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Because if the game played out like the real deal, Japanese players would be as rare as male calico cats....[8|]

Only a few os us get that (Chickenboy?). I think I have seen two in 22 yeasr of practice

I got it. I was thinking of something more agricultural, such as a fertile freemartin or pseudohermaphrodite or friendly chow. [;)]

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: vettim89

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Because if the game played out like the real deal, Japanese players would be as rare as male calico cats....[8|]

Only a few os us get that (Chickenboy?). I think I have seen two in 22 yeasr of practice

Interesting, I thought it was totally impossible. Learned something new....[;)] So you mean there is actually some small hope for those JFBs out there?

Ah, looked it up. Rare chance for an XXY chromosome.

[FatR]

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

main thing is that JFB can produce about 5x the number of aircraft as they did IRL

Please, kindly provide us a link to a game where Japan produced 250 000 aircraft, because a player capable of it is a player worth learning from.

[Cyber Me]

Rommel made the same mistake in his defence of northern France in 1944 when used his infantry as labourers to help make the Atlantic Wall constructing forts, beach obsticles, clearing land, planting posts in wheat fields, instead of training them to better for their job. Looked good in the propaganda films but was a waste of time in the battle, while properly trained troops- even if they started out second class- might have been enough for them to perform their jobs. Of course, the Germans didn't have a chance in the Normandy campaign but they might have had a couple of armies a bit better trained for their job.

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: FatR

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

main thing is that JFB can produce about 5x the number of aircraft as they did IRL

Please, kindly provide us a link to a game where Japan produced 250 000 aircraft, because a player capable of it is a player worth learning from.

And while you´re at it Commander Stormwolf, please provide a link to a scen 1 game where the Japanese side produces more airframes than historical without crippling
other parts of the economy.

I see you are around long enough to have witnessed most of the standard trolling techniques used in the WitP AE forum. Why repeat that?
Low entertainment value. Boring. A good troll is fun. [;)]

[Grfin Zeppelin]

I am rather sure Stormwolf meant those.



Its true, Japan can build gazillions of these thingies.
And even better, one can deploy thousands of them on a single carrier.The Allies are better impressed and so `cause quantity has a quality of its own.

[d0mbo]

Gräfin, did you lose your love for Japanese Heavy Cruisers and have instead decided to go for lowly minelayers?!
 
 

[Canoerebel]

She was demoted for extreme conduct (I think it was in GreyJoy's AAR or perhaps the Kangaroo Court thread). But she's a good sport about it. [:)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

She was demoted for extreme conduct (I think it was in GreyJoy's AAR or perhaps the Kangaroo Court thread). But she's a good sport about it. [:)]

Hey, it's not always my fault you know....[:'(]

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

She was demoted for extreme conduct (I think it was in GreyJoy's AAR or perhaps the Kangaroo Court thread). But she's a good sport about it. [:)]

Hey, it's not always my fault you know....[:'(]

Thats a pretty bold statement for sombody who is solely responsible for 5 of the 7 Kangaroo court
pages. [:'(]

[Grfin Zeppelin]

ORIGINAL: d0mbo

Gräfin, did you lose your love for Japanese Heavy Cruisers and have instead decided to go for lowly minelayers?!

It was a harsh punishment for mentioning the unmentionable [:(]