well after seeing at witp screenshot and description i found that it was the game i was looking for.I thought UV had all this feature, after all, we are in 2003 and we have already seen game as huge as witp, thats why i thought UV was like that, now i fell ive lost 50$ buying the game cause i will buy it again with the extra feature i was looking for.
**** capitalism i hate you soooo much
UV vs WiTP
Moderators: Joel Billings, Tankerace, siRkid
hey , dont get pissed , use the game as a learning tool for WITP. thats what i am doing. heck i never played a navy game (battleship doesnt count) in my life but thought id give it a chance . the game is a liitle more reading and rules then i like but its growing on me. by the time i figure it out WITP will be out and i can jump right in. so there is a saving grace here. dont get pissed , play some email games to get ready for the big one. 50 bucks is nothing for the amount of entertainment one gets out of a good game. and this is a good game. 
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." Patton
yeah your right UV is good but i will still have to buy WITP if i wish
a game the way i was looking for, and i'm far from being rich,
i pay bills go to school to get a better job and work hard to try to have some money to buy games from time to time. Also i'm leaving in canada and here the games are way more expensive
WITP is 70$ U.S. meaning in canadien 105$ the highest price ive ever seen for a game pc and console add the sales taxes here
15% and my game cost me 121.5$ or so. I don't even know if
EB here will buy it cause of its high retail
i know there is already a thread on this and i know that there is a limited range of custumer for these games but im sure setting games at this price won't help them getting more people buying there product.
well atleast those games are good, just a bit disappointed that
i have to buy the same game twice, now i see how important
it is to get info about game you wish to purchase.
On the other hand, i purchased it right away cause it was the only copy of the game EB had.
a game the way i was looking for, and i'm far from being rich,
i pay bills go to school to get a better job and work hard to try to have some money to buy games from time to time. Also i'm leaving in canada and here the games are way more expensive
WITP is 70$ U.S. meaning in canadien 105$ the highest price ive ever seen for a game pc and console add the sales taxes here
15% and my game cost me 121.5$ or so. I don't even know if
EB here will buy it cause of its high retail
i know there is already a thread on this and i know that there is a limited range of custumer for these games but im sure setting games at this price won't help them getting more people buying there product.
well atleast those games are good, just a bit disappointed that
i have to buy the same game twice, now i see how important
it is to get info about game you wish to purchase.
On the other hand, i purchased it right away cause it was the only copy of the game EB had.
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bradfordkay
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I don't think at any time did Matrix misrepresent what we were receiving with Uncommon Valor. It sounds like you bought UV and then found out about WITP. By producing UV, 2by3 has gained a lot of experience with the game engine which should result in an even more polished WITP.
As Krec said, use Uncommon Valor as a learning tool for WITP. I'll bet that even after than one is released a lot of us will continue playing UV (in tandem with WTIP) because of it's focus on the one theatre.
As Krec said, use Uncommon Valor as a learning tool for WITP. I'll bet that even after than one is released a lot of us will continue playing UV (in tandem with WTIP) because of it's focus on the one theatre.
fair winds,
Brad
Brad
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Admiral Scott
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Originally posted by astharoth
brad i don't say matrix misrepresent UV, thats why i say "if i only knew" thats my mistake, if i knew that WITP was about to be released i would have kept my money and spend it on WITP instead
Chances are, you wont be seeing WITP anytime soon, I guess at least late this year maybe nearer Christmas. So in the meantime you have something that is very similar to play around with although not quite on the same scale.
Another note might be worth considering, if you had initially bought WITP rather than UV , chances are you would have been overwhelmed by the immense scale and so get put off by it.
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Howard Mitchell
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The best is the enemy of the good (Gresham's Law)
If you wait for WitP you will probably be waiting a year or so. Right now you have UV, a finely honed simulation of the most critical campaign in the Pacific theatre. Enjoy! You've got an excellent game for your money, well supported by its producers and with a lively and knowledgable community contributing here.
If you wait for WitP you will probably be waiting a year or so. Right now you have UV, a finely honed simulation of the most critical campaign in the Pacific theatre. Enjoy! You've got an excellent game for your money, well supported by its producers and with a lively and knowledgable community contributing here.
While the battles the British fight may differ in the widest possible ways, they invariably have two common characteristics – they are always fought uphill and always at the junction of two or more map sheets.
General Sir William Slim
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pasternakski
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It's time somebody pointed out that UV and WITP are NOT the same game. The fundamental engine is the same and the graphics are similar, but there are many differences.
First, the scope is different. UV is a sub-theater-size game with in-theater victory conditions. WITP will be a full treatment of the war in the Pacific, with all that entails, including production decisions, force allocation to subordinate theater commands, and so on. Second, the scale is different. UV hexes are 30 miles across, WITP hexes will be 60 miles across. This has a profound effect on many aspects of game play. The engine will have to be modified substantially to reflect this scale, and I suspect that the lingering complaints about naval air strike targeting many of us have will be automatically addressed at the same time - and likely a modified version of the "fix" will be retrofitted to UV in a patch. And so on.
UV has value all its own. It presents players with the opportunity to command the most vital sub-theater of the early Pacific conflict. This is where "the rubber met the road." WITP has an entirely different focus, with its own appeal separate from that of UV. This difference is depicted on the UV game box, by the way, where it says, "Uncommon Valor - Campaign for the South Pacific." There is no reason not to have known what UV was before buying it (note also on the back the text, "...from May 1942 to the end of 1943 ..." "Uncommon Valor covers the hard-fought campaigns for New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland, and the Solomon Islands").
If you can't spend $120 to buy two games that have no peer in the hobby, you probably need to go find something else to do, because your interest in computer wargaming of this style and scope is not particularly high. UV and WITP are not designed for the casual gamer.
Oh. A word of advice to our Canadian friends who are paying such an exorbitant price. Hop in your car and take a jaunt across the border to one of our friendly shopping malls containing one of the stores where Matrix-2by3 games are sold. Even better, buy over the Internet from Matrix.
First, the scope is different. UV is a sub-theater-size game with in-theater victory conditions. WITP will be a full treatment of the war in the Pacific, with all that entails, including production decisions, force allocation to subordinate theater commands, and so on. Second, the scale is different. UV hexes are 30 miles across, WITP hexes will be 60 miles across. This has a profound effect on many aspects of game play. The engine will have to be modified substantially to reflect this scale, and I suspect that the lingering complaints about naval air strike targeting many of us have will be automatically addressed at the same time - and likely a modified version of the "fix" will be retrofitted to UV in a patch. And so on.
UV has value all its own. It presents players with the opportunity to command the most vital sub-theater of the early Pacific conflict. This is where "the rubber met the road." WITP has an entirely different focus, with its own appeal separate from that of UV. This difference is depicted on the UV game box, by the way, where it says, "Uncommon Valor - Campaign for the South Pacific." There is no reason not to have known what UV was before buying it (note also on the back the text, "...from May 1942 to the end of 1943 ..." "Uncommon Valor covers the hard-fought campaigns for New Guinea, New Britain, New Ireland, and the Solomon Islands").
If you can't spend $120 to buy two games that have no peer in the hobby, you probably need to go find something else to do, because your interest in computer wargaming of this style and scope is not particularly high. UV and WITP are not designed for the casual gamer.
Oh. A word of advice to our Canadian friends who are paying such an exorbitant price. Hop in your car and take a jaunt across the border to one of our friendly shopping malls containing one of the stores where Matrix-2by3 games are sold. Even better, buy over the Internet from Matrix.
Put my faith in the people
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
Think of this way.
By purchasing UV, you support Matrix and 2by3
Support of Matrix/2by = greater assurance of the debut of WitP
Anyone remember the defunct Pacific Tide? It promised much of what WitP has, but did it ever come out?
Your $$ was not wasted, and you'll have fun in the process.
UV has also been critical in terms of suggesting improvements and refinements, many of which are being incorporated into WitP as a result making it an even better game than it would have been on debut. UV is after all the proto-engine that WitP will utilize.
By purchasing UV, you support Matrix and 2by3
Support of Matrix/2by = greater assurance of the debut of WitP
Anyone remember the defunct Pacific Tide? It promised much of what WitP has, but did it ever come out?
Your $$ was not wasted, and you'll have fun in the process.
UV has also been critical in terms of suggesting improvements and refinements, many of which are being incorporated into WitP as a result making it an even better game than it would have been on debut. UV is after all the proto-engine that WitP will utilize.
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Cap Mandrake
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Re: i'm kind of pissed by UV if i only knew :-(
Originally posted by astharoth
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**** capitalism i hate you soooo much
astharoth...your anger is misplaced..if the sales tax is really FIFTEEN PER CENT in Canada
, your real beef is with Socialism. With the exception of the Canadian sales tax, your money was well spent.
If you have a problem with the price and taxes do some thing about it. Leave or vote a new government into power. As we all know once you start socialism you can't stop it until it bankrupts your government.
"Ours was the first revolution in the history of mankind that truly reversed the course of government, and with three little words: 'We the people.' 'We the people' tell the government what to do, it doesn't tell us." -Ronald Reagan
thanks all for your reply even if i'am the only one to think that UV
was release maybe only to get cash to finish WITP or something like that, that why ive said i hate capitalism, look for exemple at
some game like nhl hockey, year after year after year they release a game with few change and put such a high price at there game, what i say is that WITP use almost the same engine UV use they will add scenarion, map more logistic but
the core game will be the same so why its gonna be 70 US$
also what WITP have that UV doesn't is beggier scale more micro management, ship building and design(not sure but i hope)
i'm far from being a casual gamer btw i'm a real hardcore,
more complexe the is ,the better ill like it
as for socialist im very happy with this gov. i know if something bad happen to me gov. will help me for free and we such high taxes because to many people abuse of the goodwill of our governement.
I'll like to say that if the game is released in a year or so then yes
UV isn't a waste but the only post ive seen so far in witp forum was talking about april 2003 thats why i got pissed.
oh well have a good day everyone
P.S. about price and everything i'd like to say that if i was rich or leaving at my mom's home i wouldn't worry about it but thats not the case and i'm sure its the case of many people that could have bought the game but won't cause of the high price, now they
are relying only on fans but think about those in the game store
that will check the boxe see few detail about the game and a pretty nice sticker 69.99$ US and check another game that looks cool 39.99$ US i wonder what the big joe will choose
was release maybe only to get cash to finish WITP or something like that, that why ive said i hate capitalism, look for exemple at
some game like nhl hockey, year after year after year they release a game with few change and put such a high price at there game, what i say is that WITP use almost the same engine UV use they will add scenarion, map more logistic but
the core game will be the same so why its gonna be 70 US$
also what WITP have that UV doesn't is beggier scale more micro management, ship building and design(not sure but i hope)
i'm far from being a casual gamer btw i'm a real hardcore,
more complexe the is ,the better ill like it
as for socialist im very happy with this gov. i know if something bad happen to me gov. will help me for free and we such high taxes because to many people abuse of the goodwill of our governement.
I'll like to say that if the game is released in a year or so then yes
UV isn't a waste but the only post ive seen so far in witp forum was talking about april 2003 thats why i got pissed.
oh well have a good day everyone
P.S. about price and everything i'd like to say that if i was rich or leaving at my mom's home i wouldn't worry about it but thats not the case and i'm sure its the case of many people that could have bought the game but won't cause of the high price, now they
are relying only on fans but think about those in the game store
that will check the boxe see few detail about the game and a pretty nice sticker 69.99$ US and check another game that looks cool 39.99$ US i wonder what the big joe will choose
Originally posted by astharoth
brad i don't say matrix misrepresent UV, thats why i say "if i only knew" thats my mistake, if i knew that WITP was about to be released i would have kept my money and spend it on WITP instead
Then maybe you should change the title of the thread to "I'm kind of pissed off at myself, I should have checked the features of UV before I bought it."
Your current title gives the impression that something was/is wrong with UV and/or matrix mis-representing it. I don't think that is fair to matrix.
Reiryc
Well if you're paying taxes, then it isn't free.as for socialist im very happy with this gov. i know if something bad happen to me gov. will help me for free and we such high taxes because to many people abuse of the goodwill of our governement.
Then maybe you could play the socialist produced games? Oh wait....there isn't hardly any out there. :rolleyes:why ive said i hate capitalism, look for exemple at
some game like nhl hockey, year after year after year they release a game with few change and put such a high price at there game, what i say is that WITP use almost the same engine UV use they will add scenarion, map more logistic but
the core game will be the same so why its gonna be 70 US$
Reiryc
I have to agree with most who have responded, play the game and then when witp does come out you will be happy you had a year to learn what you are doing on a smaller scale.
Even if with comes out late this year, I plan to keep playing UV until the kinks and patches are worked out in the new game, and that might be another three or four months.
Personally I'm pretty new at this, and so far I'm a little ovewhelmed with what I have in front of me.
Frustrating try to get the TF's to go where you want them, and then figuring out why they don't.
Even if with comes out late this year, I plan to keep playing UV until the kinks and patches are worked out in the new game, and that might be another three or four months.
Personally I'm pretty new at this, and so far I'm a little ovewhelmed with what I have in front of me.
Frustrating try to get the TF's to go where you want them, and then figuring out why they don't.
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pasternakski
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"...UV was release maybe only to get cash to finish WITP or something like that, that why ive said i hate capitalism, look for exemple at some game like nhl hockey..."
No comment needed, methinks.
No comment needed, methinks.
Put my faith in the people
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.