A Southwestern Rumble Andav (J) v witpqs (A) Closed to witpqs

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18-Dec-41

Burma area

The bombers at Bangkok did not return. My bombers in China did not fly. CAP is in place with Nates but it is better than nothing.

Celebes Sea area

We had an engagement between CA lead TFs which qualified for The Big Whiff of the Day! A LOT of shots were fired but very few hits even down at 7K range. We sank one DD but had one damaged. The only loser was the player having to watch this steaming pile of surface combat. Yuk …

After rinsing my eyes, I think we spotted Z-Force. See the picture below for details of how I hope to catch something.

China

The cat herding continues in China.

PI

We march on toward Clark and Manila. Still …

KB

KB made it to Truk and will proceed south to cover the landings at Rabual and PM.

Malaysia

55th Regiment attacked at Kluong and was repulsed. I have more troops on the way but they are a few days out and then will need to march. We continue march southwest of Mersing toward Johore Bhura. This is the next critical base because of the airfield.

Vildwbeests suck.

CA Chokai, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk (Magazine explodes on CA Chokai)
CL Isuzu, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Ok … So I sent my ships in range of them and it is my fault these two proud ships died. I got a little over ambitious and paid the price. I will hang back a little further.

Honorary BWotD goes to the IJN Sub fleet for missing 6 shots on DDs in one day. Then I-160 lines up a shot on DM Stronghold in the TF with all the Allied CAs and CLs from the night before. Dimwit …

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Yuk ... I need to change the Allied font color ... BWotD CA/CLs are to the left. What I think is Z-Force is near the bottom. I will do better next time.

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I am not really sure what happened at Sinkawang. Maybe some really really really bad rolls or something. They had supply and support. I am not sure what happened.

Joha Bharu is the town north of Singapore right? We hope to be there in 2 days. Landing at Mersing makes this possible.

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Agreed. REally weird. Never seen anything like that before ...
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19-Dec-41

Burma area

Again no bombers at Bangkok. Maybe my Nates scared him away. I have some Thai troops marching around up here. They will be more of annoyance than anything I think until IJA troops arrive. They can only go 3 hexes from the boarder per house rule.

Celebes Sea area

And then they were gone again. Nothing like doing a bunch of drawings only to have the enemy refuse to give battle. We both live to fight another day.

China

The cat herding continues in China. We caught a few and have run into one rather large Tom which will take a little more effort to dislodge.

PI

We march on toward Clark and Manila. 65th Brigade made it to Manila but will need to wait for more troops to arrive. We are one hex from Clark but most of the army is still pretty far back.

SoPac

KB and the Rabual and PM landings head south.

Malaysia

144th Regiment bombarded at Johore Bhura . They face a single Aussie Battalion. We will shock attack tomorrow. Mersing made lvl 1 airfield so local CAP will start to fly. 33rd Div is unloading at Mersing. I have two more regiments waiting to unload there once the 33rd TF vacates. A BB TF is providing heavy cover. We continue the slow march down the peninsula from the north.


There was no Big Whiff of the Day today. It was pretty slow.

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I really like the early Mersing landing and quick establishment of a beachhead. It will be intresting if Singapore falls any faster than oher AAR's, and more so allows the IJ to keep an offensive pace that prevents "Festung Palambang .."
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I really like Mersing as well especially if the rail lines can be cut quickly. Capture of this base does a lot of good things for the Japanese early in the Malaysia campaign.


20-Dec-41

Burma area

Still quiet and still marching around

Celebes Sea area

Other then sinking a few more fleeing AKLs it is pretty quiet. Mini-KB and accompanying SCTFs have taken up station to support the Menado invasion.

China

The cat herding continues in China. For some reason, witqps abandoned Chengchow and Loyang in the north. The Rowboat Brigade occupied Chengchow and we promptly lost a VP for garrison restrictions. During the turn, one Chinese unit moved into the city. We have someone marching there as well but I am not sure they will make it this turn with 5 miles to go and a river to cross.

PI

We march on toward Clark and Manila. 65th Brigade made it to Manila but will need to wait for more troops to arrive. We are one hex from Clark but most of the army is still pretty far back.

KB

Rabual and PM landings are underway with KBs support.

Malaysia

144th Regiments attack at Johore Bhura failed. We will have to wait for 33rd and friends to arrive. We continue the slow march down the peninsula from the north.


There was no Big Whiff of the Day today. It was pretty slow again.

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21-Dec-41

Burma area

Still quiet and still marching around

Celebes Sea area

Other then sinking a few more fleeing AKLs it is pretty quiet. Mini-KB and accompanying SCTFs have taken up station to support the Menado invasion which should go in tomorrow.

China

The cat herding continues in China. The Chinese reoccupied Chengchow in the north. We will shock attack across the river since this was a retreated unit which has been marching and our unit is fresh. We found the AVG over Changsha. We will attack elsewhere tomorrow.

PI

We march on toward Clark and Manila. 65th Brigade made it to Manila but will need to wait for more troops to arrive. We are one hex from Clark but most of the army is still pretty far back. We will wait and hope the bombing will convince witqps to hang out at Clark.

KB

Infortunately, KB showed itself by attacking some AMs at PM. Bummer. Rabual looks empty. We will recon again and land with a company if it still looks empty or 4th Div if it does not.

Malaysia

The air war starts over Singapore. Zeros sweep and claim 6 of 24 Buffalos. Oscars sweep and find nothing. More sweeps are ordered today along with the first bomber. Everyone continues to march. Singawang is invaded again and reinforcements land at Kuching. I expect both bases to fall tomorrow.

There was no Big Whiff of the Day today. It was pretty slow again.

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Dec 22nd and 23rd 1941

Not much really exciting happening. Near Menado, I had to laugh as a couple of PBs getting the drop on Boise and Friends and firing at the Surprised Allied TF. They of course sank for the trouble but I now know where the US CLs are locted. I am movin a CA force and a BB force to intercept (hopefully).

The 33rd should reach Johore Bhura tomorrow and be enough to give me that city and close the door to Singapore.

LRCP over Singapore gave the message: Transports flying to Singapore intercepted. Gotta love that. LRCP will continue to cause them issues I hope.

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Dec 24 -Jan 5th 1942

It has been a while since my last post but basically nothing out of the ordinary has happened. Clark field is under siege. Manila will fall tomorrow. The first wave of troops will cross the river into Singapore tomorrow as well. The cat herding in China is going well. PM and Horn Island fell. New Caledonia will be next. CenPac features island hopping with the Row Boat Brigade chalking up some nice victories. Your basic first month of the war. I will post some screen shots soon.

The main thing happing today was mini-KB getting the drop on the USN CLs around Timor.

CL Boise, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

Magazine explodes on CL Boise

This is one of the sweetest phrases a Japanese Commander can see early in the war.

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Always a good thing when that little uber ship goes down
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A pity Boise has only managed to come out to play, after repairing damage from eating a torpedo, in order to eat another torpedo in our game...
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Boise is a true PITA. Seeing her Magazine explode was very nice. I was worried we might lose the turn because of a problem with one regiment of the 4th division disappearing.

Jan 6th and 7th

The first wave marched into Singapore and was pretty well mauled. One division and several regiments were fairly well trashed. The Arty seemed to go over unharmed. The rest should arrive in another 2 days. I think it will be enough to take the base early.

Manila fell. Clark is under siege and basically waiting to die on the vine.

Progress is being made in SoPac as well. new Caledonia will be next. I think that will be the end of the Pacific expansion. It is strange to be thinking the ending Pacific expansion in Jan-Feb 1942. The main push will be in China to open the route from Singapore to Korea.

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I'm considering right now a northern OZ push from Koepang and Java. From PM, I might try for Townsville. Supply lines are short. Committment is relatively small. Denies the northern bases for a jump off. It also gives forward bases for some deep strikes from the KB.
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A revival of sorts for this AAR (I hope). Here are a few quotes from earlier in the AAR:

China

This will be sorted out and will probably not be talked about a lot. It is War in the Pacific not Land War in China.

And another quote:

I really don't like China. I will clean up the south (Chuhsein and Wenchow) and try to make some advances in the north. I know it is probably letting witqps off the hook a bit but with the land model the way it is, I will do what I have to do and then hold.


Well ... My prospective has changed a lot over the last 6 months. We are now in August 1942 and China has become very important to me. It is also very entertaining. I plan to post updates about China (and other things) mainly so witqps and I at some point in the future can talk about what we were each thinking during this time. I have played a lot of both classic WitP and AE. In WitP you just kinda built huge blobs of armies and hoped for the best. My other current AE game (May 43) is a 2x2 where I do not have China. Combined with the stacking limits in Babes, this makes me pretty much a novice when it comes to China. Over the last several game months, much to my amazement, I formed a plan and it actually seemed to work! Go figure.

More to come later. This was mainly to help me find my AAR and move it up to the first page.

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23-Mar-42

Here is a picture of central China. At this time, while I would like to say I was doing probing attacks looking for weaknesses, I was really pretty much bumbling around trying to push Chinese units where I could. Unfortunately, I had run into several areas where witpqs had decided to defend.

My main attack was coming from Wuchang but ran into the hex just east of Changsha. Witpqs had stacked about 75k troops here (the limit for the hex) and even with over stacking the hex, I still could not budge these guys. I beat my head against this wall a couple of times, complained in the Tech Support section and was basically told to deal with it. In one message, JWE said, “Andav, dude, think ‘elegance’”. This was a turning point for me.

Considering this, I had to make some decisions:

1) Was a major commitment in China something I really wanted to do in the spring of 1942?
2) If it was something I elected to do, how could this be accomplished with “elegance”?
3) What the heck was “elegance” to begin with?

In this mod, there are cargo limits on most shipping. From chatting with Vic (the “Eyebrow on the Money AAR opponent”, I decided opening the land route from Singapore to Korea for the flow of fuel and such should be a priority. This would require clearing central China sooner rather than later. So the answer to question one was Yes.

So to answer question 2, I really needed to answer question 3 first. Obviously, over stacking to try to push where I wanted would not work. All the little scattered armies would not work either. Witpqs could stack enough guys to hold me at bay. Frankly, I was pretty depressed about how China was working out. Here is what I decided to do.

First I defined “Elegance” as “Maneuver”. I would move small units into places where witpqs was not in hopes of drawing units away from the places I wanted to go. The main goal would be to cut the road/rail lines to help slow movement. While this did expose the probing units to being defeated in detail, the Chinese move slowly even on roads so moving back and forth would take time. This would also force him to use supplies to attack. Anytime you can make the Chinese use supplies is good especially once the Burma Road is closed. I needed more units so much of the army which was wrapping up Java was ear marked for transport back to China. Most were landed in the port to the Hanoi or in Canton to supplement those vectors.

There is a second part to “Elegance”. Is there anything more elegant then an airplane? Especially 150 or so flying in formation over an open hex with Chinese marching along the road? It is pure “Elegance”. I made the choice to commit most of my air force to China.

One thing I learned from Wenchow was light industry is a pain in the posterior. Since we are playing a pretty wide open game, I began a serious campaign to destroy any heavy or light industry in the area. This way, I would not have little pockets of supplies, no matter how small, appearing to help the defenders. This required a lot of perseverance and dodging of the AVG. In the end, the vast majority of the Japanese air force was transferred to bases ringing the perimeter. Probably too late in the game, I started concentrated airfield bombing. I was running into 3 and 4 forts which required time to reduce.

The third thing I picked up was the use of tanks. GreyJoy commented about Radars “Blitz” in India. I decided to commit to sending as much armor as possible to China.

With these elements, I began a 5 month campaign to clear the land route to Korea.

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Well ... I am bumping this so I do not lose it again. I will open this to witpqs for just a bit since we are already in Oct of 43 and there is nothing here he could benefit from in the current situation.

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I've used my temporary permit from Andav.

I find the AAR quite elegant. [:D]

Definitely the right strategy in China. But that won't save you!

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Bah! I have you right where I want you! No get out of my AAR! [:D]

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Bah! I have you right where I want you! No get out of my AAR! [:D]

Wa

Good to see a post!

Any plans to update? I'd love to see the economy and strategic position from your side.
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Just resurrecting this zombie to give witpqs and I a pat on the back. We just processed turn 1000! Yeah us!

It has been a long and fun road so far. I could not ask for a better opponent.

I guess since Obvert ask so nicely almost 2 years ago, I should do an update from the Japanese side. Maybe later ...

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