The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[JohnDillworth]

So everything is loaded guys.

Looks like you are going in without an avatar son and that's just bad planning.[:)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

So everything is loaded guys.

Looks like you are going in without an avatar son and that's just bad planning.[:)]

LOL [:D] You're right...i promise today i'll go and look for a new avatar[;)]

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: princep01
princepBolton

Roose Bolton is awesome.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

ORIGINAL: princep01
princepBolton

Roose Bolton is awesome.

His bastard son being a little bit harsher [:D]

[beppi]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

So everything is loaded guys. The bulk of my amphib TFs should be able to unload within the first 2 days...so to say after the first turn we should be able to get back...despite the presence of some xAPs and xAKs i've tried to compensate adding a lot of empty LCIs and LSTs which should help the other ships unloading rates.
4 ACGs will support the invasion (with only one actually loaded for this wave), divided into 5 different 100-ships TF.

Basically the TF composition is this one (with some small differences)

1 BB -> I would add at least a second BB. If your BB gets hit by 200 small calibre shells it still can sink. (Had that once in a game against the AI. 2 or 3 BB tend to spread the hits better.
10 DDs -> I would add less DDs. Basically the DDs / DE /PFs are for protection against Subs. Usually 6-7 DD/DEs are enough
5 AMs -> Do AMs even work if they are in an amphib TF ? Never tested it that way and usally i send Minesweeping TFs the night before, even if losses are astronomical against CDs
5 SCs -> What for ? They just plain suck. They are bad against Subs (low EXP) and cannot soak up any damage. Skip them and add some more LST.
5 DE/PFs
20 APA (or 10 APAs+10 xAPs) -> rest of the composition is ok. But i never add LCI to a amphib TF. Do they work ? Always thought that empy AKA/APA will support the landing and not LCI. I might be wrong.
10 AKA (or 5 AKAs+ 5 xAks
10 LST/LSD (loaded)
10 LST (with only supplies)
10 LCI (empty)
10 LCI (G)
4 support ships

I'm still not sure if i need to add more warships (CAs basically) or if this composition is enough to absorb the punishment of the CD guns.. Because if i wanna add more warships, then i have to create more smaller TFs...and i really don't have many good admirals specialized in landing operations...

Any idea is this is optimized or not?

remove the SC and some of the escorts (DDs/DEs/PF). The small escors do not supress well and are mainly to protect against subs. Add some of the old slow CLs and CAs. Add a second BB and if possible even a third one to each TF. It is pita to see a BB go down because it was hit by 300 5 inc shells which is possible.

I hate CAs and CLs in an invasion TF, better would be 5-6 BBs. But noone has enough BBs so you need CAs and CLs. They can be sunk during the landing but it is not very common. But they gather a lot of sys damage.

To clarify i am not sure if there is a best amphib TF composition. Personally i tend to have a first landing TF with only AKA/APA/LST which will drop the first invasion force and at least 300+ naval support. Then the xAP fleets come in a turn later. Every xAP fleet has some space in the TF left (only 85 - 90 ships) and i move some APA/AKA which have unloaded to the second wave TFs. I always unload the x(AP/AK) tfs a turn later.

[GreyJoy]

Thx beppi!
Unfortunately i only have a small amount of slow old BBs and none left of the old CLs...
As far as i know empty LCIs help just like empty APAs...can somebody confirm this?
Ok, i'll try to use some fast BBs and old CAs in addition...even if it's a shame to use these valuable ships in this role...:-/

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: beppi

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

So everything is loaded guys. The bulk of my amphib TFs should be able to unload within the first 2 days...so to say after the first turn we should be able to get back...despite the presence of some xAPs and xAKs i've tried to compensate adding a lot of empty LCIs and LSTs which should help the other ships unloading rates.
4 ACGs will support the invasion (with only one actually loaded for this wave), divided into 5 different 100-ships TF.

Basically the TF composition is this one (with some small differences)

1 BB -> I would add at least a second BB. If your BB gets hit by 200 small calibre shells it still can sink. (Had that once in a game against the AI. 2 or 3 BB tend to spread the hits better.
10 DDs -> I would add less DDs. Basically the DDs / DE /PFs are for protection against Subs. Usually 6-7 DD/DEs are enough
5 AMs -> Do AMs even work if they are in an amphib TF ? Never tested it that way and usally i send Minesweeping TFs the night before, even if losses are astronomical against CDs
5 SCs -> What for ? They just plain suck. They are bad against Subs (low EXP) and cannot soak up any damage. Skip them and add some more LST.
5 DE/PFs
20 APA (or 10 APAs+10 xAPs) -> rest of the composition is ok. But i never add LCI to a amphib TF. Do they work ? Always thought that empy AKA/APA will support the landing and not LCI. I might be wrong.
10 AKA (or 5 AKAs+ 5 xAks
10 LST/LSD (loaded)
10 LST (with only supplies)
10 LCI (empty)
10 LCI (G)
4 support ships

I'm still not sure if i need to add more warships (CAs basically) or if this composition is enough to absorb the punishment of the CD guns.. Because if i wanna add more warships, then i have to create more smaller TFs...and i really don't have many good admirals specialized in landing operations...

Any idea is this is optimized or not?

remove the SC and some of the escorts (DDs/DEs/PF). The small escors do not supress well and are mainly to protect against subs. Add some of the old slow CLs and CAs. Add a second BB and if possible even a third one to each TF. It is pita to see a BB go down because it was hit by 300 5 inc shells which is possible.

I hate CAs and CLs in an invasion TF, better would be 5-6 BBs. But noone has enough BBs so you need CAs and CLs. They can be sunk during the landing but it is not very common. But they gather a lot of sys damage.

To clarify i am not sure if there is a best amphib TF composition. Personally i tend to have a first landing TF with only AKA/APA/LST which will drop the first invasion force and at least 300+ naval support. Then the xAP fleets come in a turn later. Every xAP fleet has some space in the TF left (only 85 - 90 ships) and i move some APA/AKA which have unloaded to the second wave TFs. I always unload the x(AP/AK) tfs a turn later.

When u have more than 400 transports is pretty difficult to have all the TFs well escorted...will try to have 2BBs for every TF and 2cruisers in each...

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: beppi

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

So everything is loaded guys. The bulk of my amphib TFs should be able to unload within the first 2 days...so to say after the first turn we should be able to get back...despite the presence of some xAPs and xAKs i've tried to compensate adding a lot of empty LCIs and LSTs which should help the other ships unloading rates.
4 ACGs will support the invasion (with only one actually loaded for this wave), divided into 5 different 100-ships TF.

Basically the TF composition is this one (with some small differences)

1 BB -> I would add at least a second BB. If your BB gets hit by 200 small calibre shells it still can sink. (Had that once in a game against the AI. 2 or 3 BB tend to spread the hits better.
10 DDs -> I would add less DDs. Basically the DDs / DE /PFs are for protection against Subs. Usually 6-7 DD/DEs are enough
5 AMs -> Do AMs even work if they are in an amphib TF ? Never tested it that way and usally i send Minesweeping TFs the night before, even if losses are astronomical against CDs
5 SCs -> What for ? They just plain suck. They are bad against Subs (low EXP) and cannot soak up any damage. Skip them and add some more LST.
5 DE/PFs
20 APA (or 10 APAs+10 xAPs) -> rest of the composition is ok. But i never add LCI to a amphib TF. Do they work ? Always thought that empy AKA/APA will support the landing and not LCI. I might be wrong.
10 AKA (or 5 AKAs+ 5 xAks
10 LST/LSD (loaded)
10 LST (with only supplies)
10 LCI (empty)
10 LCI (G)
4 support ships

I'm still not sure if i need to add more warships (CAs basically) or if this composition is enough to absorb the punishment of the CD guns.. Because if i wanna add more warships, then i have to create more smaller TFs...and i really don't have many good admirals specialized in landing operations...

Any idea is this is optimized or not?

remove the SC and some of the escorts (DDs/DEs/PF). The small escors do not supress well and are mainly to protect against subs. Add some of the old slow CLs and CAs. Add a second BB and if possible even a third one to each TF. It is pita to see a BB go down because it was hit by 300 5 inc shells which is possible.

I hate CAs and CLs in an invasion TF, better would be 5-6 BBs. But noone has enough BBs so you need CAs and CLs. They can be sunk during the landing but it is not very common. But they gather a lot of sys damage.

To clarify i am not sure if there is a best amphib TF composition. Personally i tend to have a first landing TF with only AKA/APA/LST which will drop the first invasion force and at least 300+ naval support. Then the xAP fleets come in a turn later. Every xAP fleet has some space in the TF left (only 85 - 90 ships) and i move some APA/AKA which have unloaded to the second wave TFs. I always unload the x(AP/AK) tfs a turn later.

Got it. Thx

But please consider that here we're landing under the threat of more than 2000 enemy bombers and 3000fighters...so i cannot lose not even a turn...everything should be unloaded within the first 2 days...

[JohnDillworth]

His bastard son being a little bit harsher

OK, I'm about 3/4 done with Storm of Swords, the wrong people keep dying and that little bastard is still alive. Reading as fast as I can but careful that the cryptic comments do not introduce spoilers. By the way, I see no possible way GreyJoy can be redeemed in these books

[CaptBeefheart]

I personally would rather use those fast BBs in the primary SCTF and sprinkled amongst the CVs. Of course, I've only landed at Okinawa and Kanoya vs. the AI so perhaps I haven't experienced the full wrath of CDs.

To me it seems your air units are doing a fair bit of damage to his shore guns in terms of destroyed and disabled.

Cheers,
CC

[CaptBeefheart]

Mr. Dillworth: Don't take this the wrong way or anything, but GJ and Princep got me going on that "Game of Thrones" series and I'm way behind. Would appreciate a little less commentary. Thanks.[;)]

Cheers,
CC

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

His bastard son being a little bit harsher

OK, I'm about 3/4 done with Storm of Swords, the wrong people keep dying and that little bastard is still alive. Reading as fast as I can but careful that the cryptic comments do not introduce spoilers. By the way, I see no possible way GreyJoy can be redeemed in these books

Aren't u loving it?!?!?!?!
Best books ever!
I'm re-reading dance with dragons for the 2nd time in english and soon i'll start the italian version!! Can't wait for the secomd season of the HBO series.....
Suggested them to Rader and he too fell in love with this epic book series[&o]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Mr. Dillworth: Don't take this the wrong way or anything, but GJ and Princep got me going on that "Game of Thrones" series and I'm way behind. Would appreciate a little less commentary. Thanks.[;)]

Cheers,
CC

U mean the books or the tv series?
U need to go on mate....it will be the best reading experience of your life[8D]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

I personally would rather use those fast BBs in the primary SCTF and sprinkled amongst the CVs. Of course, I've only landed at Okinawa and Kanoya vs. the AI so perhaps I haven't experienced the full wrath of CDs.

To me it seems your air units are doing a fair bit of damage to his shore guns in terms of destroyed and disabled.

Cheers,
CC

That is my actual composition cc...fast BBs are grouped togheder in 3 strong SCTFs and among the CV fleet...plus i have 2 old brit BBs operating as a bombarment group...not that easy to decide what to do...should i fear those CD guns so much...???

[JohnDillworth]

Mr. Dillworth: Don't take this the wrong way or anything, but GJ and Princep got me going on that "Game of Thrones" series and I'm way behind. Would appreciate a little less commentary. Thanks.

Cheers,
CC

no offense taken and profuse apologies offered. I just assume I am the last person to do everything.[&o] The good news is if you are way behind you still have the pleasure of reading them for the first time

[beppi]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: beppi

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

So everything is loaded guys. The bulk of my amphib TFs should be able to unload within the first 2 days...so to say after the first turn we should be able to get back...despite the presence of some xAPs and xAKs i've tried to compensate adding a lot of empty LCIs and LSTs which should help the other ships unloading rates.
4 ACGs will support the invasion (with only one actually loaded for this wave), divided into 5 different 100-ships TF.

Basically the TF composition is this one (with some small differences)

1 BB -> I would add at least a second BB. If your BB gets hit by 200 small calibre shells it still can sink. (Had that once in a game against the AI. 2 or 3 BB tend to spread the hits better.
10 DDs -> I would add less DDs. Basically the DDs / DE /PFs are for protection against Subs. Usually 6-7 DD/DEs are enough
5 AMs -> Do AMs even work if they are in an amphib TF ? Never tested it that way and usally i send Minesweeping TFs the night before, even if losses are astronomical against CDs
5 SCs -> What for ? They just plain suck. They are bad against Subs (low EXP) and cannot soak up any damage. Skip them and add some more LST.
5 DE/PFs
20 APA (or 10 APAs+10 xAPs) -> rest of the composition is ok. But i never add LCI to a amphib TF. Do they work ? Always thought that empy AKA/APA will support the landing and not LCI. I might be wrong.
10 AKA (or 5 AKAs+ 5 xAks
10 LST/LSD (loaded)
10 LST (with only supplies)
10 LCI (empty)
10 LCI (G)
4 support ships

I'm still not sure if i need to add more warships (CAs basically) or if this composition is enough to absorb the punishment of the CD guns.. Because if i wanna add more warships, then i have to create more smaller TFs...and i really don't have many good admirals specialized in landing operations...

Any idea is this is optimized or not?

remove the SC and some of the escorts (DDs/DEs/PF). The small escors do not supress well and are mainly to protect against subs. Add some of the old slow CLs and CAs. Add a second BB and if possible even a third one to each TF. It is pita to see a BB go down because it was hit by 300 5 inc shells which is possible.

I hate CAs and CLs in an invasion TF, better would be 5-6 BBs. But noone has enough BBs so you need CAs and CLs. They can be sunk during the landing but it is not very common. But they gather a lot of sys damage.

To clarify i am not sure if there is a best amphib TF composition. Personally i tend to have a first landing TF with only AKA/APA/LST which will drop the first invasion force and at least 300+ naval support. Then the xAP fleets come in a turn later. Every xAP fleet has some space in the TF left (only 85 - 90 ships) and i move some APA/AKA which have unloaded to the second wave TFs. I always unload the x(AP/AK) tfs a turn later.

Got it. Thx

But please consider that here we're landing under the threat of more than 2000 enemy bombers and 3000fighters...so i cannot lose not even a turn...everything should be unloaded within the first 2 days...

Yes i am considering this, so please only take my comments as "passive information". At most i faced a 1000 planes during a landing and i never have invaded Japanese homeland in a Scen2 against a skilled opponent. So please i only give some "passive advises" to inspire you. As noone every pulled such a stunt off in AE with the current beta patches and all the 1000 changes it is your hard job to decide in the end [:)].

[JohnDillworth]

Aren't u loving it?!?!?!?!
Best books ever!
I'm re-reading dance with dragons for the 2nd time in english and soon i'll start the italian version!! Can't wait for the secomd season of the HBO series.....
Suggested them to Rader and he too fell in love with this epic book series

I am loving these. The only problem is that they are huge and command quite an investment in my reading time. My kindle is getting backed up with other stuff whilst I read these. I'm going to finish Storm of Swords this week and then take a break to catch up on some other stuff.

[Panther Bait]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Aren't u loving it?!?!?!?!
Best books ever!
I'm re-reading dance with dragons for the 2nd time in english and soon i'll start the italian version!! Can't wait for the secomd season of the HBO series.....
Suggested them to Rader and he too fell in love with this epic book series

I am loving these. The only problem is that they are huge and command quite an investment in my reading time. My kindle is getting backed up with other stuff whilst I read these. I'm going to finish Storm of Swords this week and then take a break to catch up on some other stuff.

I read Game of Thrones when it came out, then put the series aside as the follow-on books were taking forever to come out. I re-started again after watching the HBO Game of Thrones mini-series. As I started each book, I said I would take a break after this one. I started Dance with Dragons this morning after reading the first four one-after-the-other, sigh.

Looks like I'll have to take a break after this one.

Mike

P.S. You eventually get more GreyJoys to root for or against.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Thx beppi!
Unfortunately i only have a small amount of slow old BBs and none left of the old CLs...
As far as i know empty LCIs help just like empty APAs...can somebody confirm this?
Ok, i'll try to use some fast BBs and old CAs in addition...even if it's a shame to use these valuable ships in this role...:-/

Use em. If you lose this operation, and those ships, life will be hard anyway.

If you land successfully, you won't really need them for much anymore except for the signing ceremony in the Bay later.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Thx beppi!
Unfortunately i only have a small amount of slow old BBs and none left of the old CLs...
As far as i know empty LCIs help just like empty APAs...can somebody confirm this?
Ok, i'll try to use some fast BBs and old CAs in addition...even if it's a shame to use these valuable ships in this role...:-/

Use em. If you lose this operation, and those ships, life will be hard anyway.

If you land successfully, you won't really need them for much anymore except for the signing ceremony in the Bay later.

You know what? You are bloody right [:D][:D][:D]!!!

That's the spirit i need to have!

Hu-Ha!

Turn sent...