OT Help with WWII Air Corps Photos in England

[JeffroK]

Based on the photos, did your subject get attached to the RAF Ferry service, all uniforms appear to be RAF and all photos appear to be in the UK.
 
PS, History channel did a doco on the RAF Ferry pilots, available on DVD??
 
Yarn about the women,  A Sqn was being re-equipped with a new aircraft which was considered "hot" and had caused a few crashes.
The delivery arrives and the 3-4 aircraft fly over the field in formation, peel off one by one and land.
The Sqn pilots are impressed and wait for the pilots of the arrivals.
3 pilots climb out and walk across the field, half way pull off their flying helmets to reveal flowing "blode, brunette??" hair.
 
There were no further complaints about the "dangerous" aircraft.
 
(I've heard 3-4 versions off this )

[Canoerebel]

Upon further research, I have confirmed that the Air Transport Auxiliary was a British organization only. Several hundred Americans, men and women, servied in the ATA.
 
The fact that this was a Brit outfit confirms the input by several folks that the photo of the women "crossing the Potomac" was taken in Canada or (more likely) England (since they are wearing Brit uniforms).

[Reg]

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ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Question:  Did a Spitifire always have four blades on the propellor and a Hurricane three?

Spits had anywhere from 2 blades in very early models to 4 in later models

No, 5 props on the later versions, depended on the engine output as fewer props didnt use the power available.

I think the Hurri had 3 blades as its enfine didnt need 4 (you'll probably find Hurris with 4 doing engine tests)

The picture appears to be of a Spitfire IX with the extended nose, six exhaust stacks and large underwing radiators (can't quite see if there is one on the right hand side..).

There should be enough info from the partial serial no. to determine the manufacturing batch though I seem to have misplaced my link at the moment. ;-(

The appear to be of an operational squadron and the squadron code (AE) is for No.402 Squadron RCAF which were equipped with the type May 1942 – April 1943 and July 1944 – August 1944.

[Reg]

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I am editing a story about Hazel Raines, a woman who served in the ATA during World War II, ferrying American aircraft to England. As a woman pilot in the service, she was among the first of a new "breed."

We have a selection of photos from the family of various scenes taken in England (and perhaps Canada too) during the War. The information about the photos is sketchy at best, so I wondered if you gents might be able to offer additiional input that would allow us to write more complete, and therefore more interesting, captions.

I'm going to post a series of photos. I'm interested in any input, from anything you know abuot the place the photo was taken to what and who is in the photo.

This first photo is a group of ATA pilots, a male officer, and what seems to be Eleanor Roosevelt (tall woman under umbrella). Hazel Raines is second from left. What kind of aircraft is that?

Edited to Add: I have confirmed that is Eleanor Roosevelt.

Miles Magister, you can sort out which model by the chin radiator.

More likely to be a Miles M.9A Master I fighter trainer (900 built) powered by a Rolls Royce Kestrel XXX engine and was one of the fastest and most maneuverable trainers of its day.

[Admiral Mitscher]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Hazel Raines on the wing of what kind of aircraft? Based upon information on the back of a similar photo, I believe this was taken February 1942 at Dowal (Donal?) Aerodome, Montreal, Quebec.

The aircraft is definitely a AT-6C Texans, or Harvard as named by the our British and Commonwealth Allies.

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: Reg

More likely to be a Miles M.9A Master I fighter trainer (900 built) powered by a Rolls Royce Kestrel XXX engine and was one of the fastest and most maneuverable trainers of its day.

One thing about this forum is you learn new things every day. The pic below was something I stumbled across while looking up the the info above.

I always wondered why they never bothered to develop a two seat Spitfire for advanced training/type conversion (the few examples flying today are post war modifications).

The reason was obviously the existence of the Miles Master which was sounds like a hot little aircraft and was available from 1939 onwards. Anyone who was there would have been able to tell you that but isn't it funny how things like that never make the history books.....

[oldman45]

Today was one of those long days that never ends. Then I log on to the forum and find this thread, what a great day it is!

[JeffroK]

Right Reg, the Magister only had the radial, I thought it may have been a MkII or something.
Miles also came up with a panic fighter in 1940 with fixed undercart that did ""350mph" and had 8 x .303"
 
PS CR needs to go to the kangaroo court for mistaking a Spit for a Hurribag!!  Shame!!

[JeffroK]

I dont think this is the aircraft , but the model before the Harvard

North American NA-64 Yale[/ul]


http://www.bombercommandmuseum.ca/yale.html





[ Photo courtesy Sam Stead ]

The Yale is a fixed undercarriage, lower powered, lighter weight version of the well known Harvard. Both the Yale and Harvard evolved from the North American Aviation NA-16 which was first flown in 1935. It was designed to fill the middle role in the American's three tier training program in which pilots advanced through primary, basic, and advanced phases.
Early in 1939, 230 Yales were ordered by the Government of France and assembly began in North American's California facility. Just over one hundred had been delivered when France fell to the Nazis in 1940. The Luftwaffe made use of these Yales until lack of spare parts forced their grounding. The remainder of the order, with their French stenciling and plates and instruments calibrated in metric measurements, was shipped to Canada whose airforce was moving quickly to build its training program under the BCATP.
Initially the Yales served as advanced trainers in the BCATP's two phase flying training system. When sufficient numbers of the higher performance Harvard became available the Yales were relegated to the role of wireless operator training. This conversion involved gutting the rear cockpit and fitting it with radio equipment of the type used on operational fighters and bombers. These aircraft could be recognized in flight by their nose high attitude caused by the large, heavy radio sets. This weight also caused the engines to be overworked and often in need of repair or overhaul. In total, 119 Yales served with the RCAF, the last one being retired in 1946.

[JeffroK]

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A long shot on this one, but anybody recognize this place in England? Edited to Add: Legend on back says "Hamble, Harris, England." Anybody know anything about that location and any nearby RAF fields?

What kind of dog is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamble-le-Rice

[JeffroK]

Could the picture say Hamble, Hants, England?       Hants is shorthand for Hampshire.
 
http://www.hamble.net/ATA.html

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Right Reg, the Magister only had the radial, I thought it may have been a MkII or something.
Miles also came up with a panic fighter in 1940 with fixed undercart that did ""350mph" and had 8 x .303"

PS CR needs to go to the kangaroo court for mistaking a Spit for a Hurribag!!  Shame!!

Ermmm.... Jeff you might have to put yourself down there next to CR!! [:(]

The Miles M.14 Magister looks like the front aircraft the picture below. You are probably thinking of the Miles M.19 Master II (center aircraft) which was fitted with a Bristol Mercury radial engine!! [:-]

(Just a guess but I would surmise that the Rolls Royce Kestrel production ceased in favor of additional Merlin output).

[Reg]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

What kind of dog is that?

Now you're pulling our leg. [:-]

A black dog!!! [:D]

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: Reg

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Right Reg, the Magister only had the radial, I thought it may have been a MkII or something.
Miles also came up with a panic fighter in 1940 with fixed undercart that did ""350mph" and had 8 x .303"

PS CR needs to go to the kangaroo court for mistaking a Spit for a Hurribag!!  Shame!!

Ermmm.... Jeff you might have to put yourself down there next to CR!! [:(]

The Miles M.14 Magister looks like the front aircraft the picture below. You are probably thinking of the Miles M.19 Master II (center aircraft) which was fitted with a Bristol Mercury radial engine!! [:-]

(Just a guess but I would surmise that the Rolls Royce Kestrel production ceased in favor of additional Merlin output).

Well the RAAF only got 1.

I have always had the Magister name but the Master aircraft scrambled around, I really didnt recognize the Magister when you posted it (Like a monoplane Tiger Moth)[8D]

But it doesnt compare with getting the premier fighter of the RAF and many other air forces, wrong. (I suppose they both had merlins!)

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: Reg

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

What kind of dog is that?

Now you're pulling our leg. [:-]

A black dog!!! [:D]

A fluffy black dog.[:(]

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Question:  Did a Spitifire always have four blades on the propellor and a Hurricane three?

Early mark ones had TWO blades for each.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Question:  Did a Spitifire always have four blades on the propellor and a Hurricane three?

Spits had anywhere from 2 blades in very early models to 4 in later models

One late model had FIVE!

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Upon further research, I have confirmed that the Air Transport Auxiliary was a British organization only. Several hundred Americans, men and women, servied in the ATA.

The fact that this was a Brit outfit confirms the input by several folks that the photo of the women "crossing the Potomac" was taken in Canada or (more likely) England (since they are wearing Brit uniforms).

The American female equivalent were called WASPs.

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Reg

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

What kind of dog is that?

Now you're pulling our leg. [:-]

A black dog!!! [:D]

Looks like a long haired Dachsund.

[Knyvet]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

A long shot on this one, but anybody recognize this place in England? Edited to Add: Legend on back says "Hamble, Harris, England." Anybody know anything about that location and any nearby RAF fields?

What kind of dog is that?

Scottish Terrier - grew up with one and at least a couple of presidents had scotties (including Roosevelt - Fala and Bush - Barney)